2 domination points to the good doctor

and 3 emo points to jookly for having no idea what the hell he's talking about

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Originally posted by Jookly:
Armies are some of the most destructive and immoral human driven forces on the planet. I wish people would stop joining like sheep and take some fucking responsibility for their actions.

I AM AN ANGRY YOUTH AND HAVE AN OVERLY SIMPLIFIED OPINION! ALSO I LIKE TO SHIT ON THREADS!

Yeah man did you see the what the US Army and Navy did to Indoesia after the 2005 tsunami? Man they were really destructive there!

And what about the Army Corps of Engineers? Holy crap they do nothing but set innocent children on fire!

Please. There isn't a big enough for this one.

Amen to that.

Armies are some of the most destructive and immoral human driven forces on the planet. I wish people would stop joining like sheep and take some fucking responsibility for their actions.

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Allot of people's idea of basic training is hollywood fabrication.

sorry for the double post but im curious eagle, how many times did your DI's hit you or anyone else in your platoon, division or whatever it was called in the Army?

i was just using MCT as a reference. i really dont know how the corps works, and after working with them i could give 2 shits less. High-E's and O's suck at my command and they dont know how to treat the junior enlisted. its pathetic

I always heard that if you were infantry and re-enlisted to go infantry they'd waive MCT because you knew how to fight you just weren't a marine which is what boot changes

but yah chairforce boot is a joke compared to any basic training in the world including civilian groups like the police academy

yeah i understand that if you spend X amount of time out the chances of losing rank are high. actually the marine times did an article about ary bootcamp being too soft. they had a few army ncos and junior officers saying that. now navy boot camp wasnt anything to brag about but then again we arent bred to fight the war head on. the airforce is a joke to me, sure they have super bombing capabilities but they dont fly near as much as the navy does. and yes if you do go to the marines you have to go through marine boot camp, either that or MCT.

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Who do you think is building the Forward Operating Bases here? Or the Control Points in Iraq? It all Army engineers. I would know, I'm in an Engineer Unit. Not only is the Army rebuilding Iraq, but for every rebuilding effort there are Army grunts policing our own security.

All things the Corps and Navy Sea-bees could do and as I recall do do on daily basis in Iraq but this isn't a pissing contest and wasn't my point in the first place with the coastie comment

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It really doesn't sound like you know what your talking about when it comes to the way the military works.

You didn't understand what I was talking about. I was saying that's what could be done is we removed the army as a service branch and dropped it to 4 or like slick said kick the blue suits and put it to 3

And really if congress decides to remove a branch as they've been threatening to do for a long time now (and I do mean long) the army will likely get the short end. The corps has a consititutional gurantee, the navy hauls all the material supplies troops need and has a ton of high power toys to kick major tail with and then the airforce is and will remain congress's golden child and has the high power bombing assets that the other branches lack.

Your also missing a basic tenament of Corps boot camp, they aren't out to make soldiers they are making marines which is a different thing. Sure boot teaches you the basics of soldiering but it's beyond that. That's why MCT (Marine Combat Training) is the next stop for freshly made Marines to teach them to soldier after they've been made Marines.

You also missed my point on the coasties. As far as unique abilities are concerned the Coast Guard is more valuable then the army as they provide a service that the army isn't near capable or qualified to do.

I like the AF and the Army but slick had it right below you got the Navy, The Corps and the Coasties you don't need much on top of it cept maybe a few chairforce jockies to watch the nuke silos

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So why would I reenlist to another branch just to repeat training and not be where I once was with more advanced training?

This was under the supposition that the army was eliminated as a service branch as stated above

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I've known allot of guys to reenlist for the marines and did not have to go to marine boot camp

I doubt that very much, I've never heard of such a thing. are you sure it wasn't just a joint-service posting?
The Corps has an ethos different from any other service branch and boot is where that's kicked in. All marines from the lowest private to the Commandant himself share this one experience they were forged in the same manner and as such are closer to each other. A man who can be a soldier cannot nessicarily be a Marine. Ask any Corps recruiter about re-enlisting with Corps or the Corps in general I'm sure they'd be happy to explain that

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that marine training being any harder than Army Basic is misconceived.

it is though. check out the book "Making the Corps" it should throughly explain the differance (note written by indipendant reporter not a guy paid by the Corps)

BigSlick, if you are out of the Army for more than 2 years when you reenlist you typically take a decrees in rank. Also if you are too old or prior service for more than 15 years, it is hard to get reenlisted.

Once again this idea that marine training being any harder than Army Basic is misconceived. I've known allot of guys to reenlist for the marines and did not have to go to marine boot camp. Allot of people's idea of basic training is hollywood fabrication.

Boot Camp, Basic training... it is all the fundamentals of soldiering... nothing special.

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For example, majority of Army Rangers are NCO's. And NCO's cannot repeat any basic training anywhere... how could you have a SSGT DI and a SFC Trainee? The rule is for all military branches is 2 years out, you repeat basic training. So if I want to reenlist for the marines right now, I could with no penalties.

is it just me or did this not make sense. you just said that army NCOs dont repeat boot camp, yet if you leave for 2+ years you repeat boot camp. it actually depends on which basic you went through. from lowest to highest its airforce, navy, army, marines. soooooo if you are army joe e-3 get out and go to marines, you have to go through boot camp. but if you are marine joe e-3 and somehow go to the airforce you dont have to.

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Also, the Army is the largest branch of service, mainly because it has the largest selection of MOS'. And enlistment bonuses.

okay true. it is the largest and oldest branch but its kind of pathetic that they have to offer such HUGE enlistment bonuses in order to get people to join. just because its the largest does not make it the best.

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Are you currently in the Marines, and more importantly, have you been to Iraq? I can tell you right now, the "coasties" are not anymore important than the Army is here. Who do you think is building the Forward Operating Bases here? Or the Control Points in Iraq? It all Army engineers. I would know, I'm in an Engineer Unit. Not only is the Army rebuilding Iraq, but for every rebuilding effort there are Army grunts policing our own security.

It really doesn't sound like you know what your talking about when it comes to the way the military works.

For example, majority of Army Rangers are NCO's. And NCO's cannot repeat any basic training anywhere... how could you have a SSGT DI and a SFC Trainee? The rule is for all military branches is 2 years out, you repeat basic training. So if I want to reenlist for the marines right now, I could with no penalties.

Also, the Army is the largest branch of service, mainly because it has the largest selection of MOS'. And enlistment bonuses.

You are really over estimating the level of training the Marines receive in there basic training. All initial entry training is just that, BASIC. Nothing special, just basic soldiering skills. I am Airborne and Air Assault qualified. I'll be attending sapper school when I get back to garrison. So why would I reenlist to another branch just to repeat training and not be where I once was with more advanced training?

ARMY!!!

Psh, I could careless what you say about the Army. At least...I have decided not to from this post forth.

He can enlist in the Navy, Airforce or Corps if he wants to continue serving

But...but...my brother is in the Army.

ah the coasties are far more useful then the army. if we want to drop a branch we need to drop the Army. increase the size of the coasties and the corps and roll from there (for example any one in the army in spec-ops can get a direct rank transfer to SEALs or Recon, rangers and airborne will still have to go to Marine basic but they'll have a shot at direct rank transfer. all skilled postions (doctors and the like) will have a shot for direct rank transfer

Poor Coast Guard...

Ahh yes the good ol' military choice. In my honest opinion all you really need is the Navy and Marines. Think about it. Naval Aviation flys far more than the Air Force, and the Army lets anyone in (you can have a drug trafficking felony and still join the Army). Theres a Marine poster that says "If we let everyone join the Marines, then it wouldnt be the Marines". To me the Air Force is too lazy and the army just plain sucks. GO NAVY!!

Aviation Ordnance- If you see me running, try and keep up!

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although the coast guard......navy on ritalin?

*sigh*

Apples and oranges my friend.

The coasties are probably the luckiest...they either get to work in tropical locations, or Detroit. Detroit seems like the worst location in the US, but they get to train people like me for watch standing though, and how could anyone pass that up?