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You'll excuse me for being bitter. As I am so fond of saying, two hands working are better than a thousand clasped in prayer.

Hear hear

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Yes, the world would have been a better place had I not just said **** right now.

You'll excuse me for being bitter. As I am so fond of saying, two hands working are better than a thousand clasped in prayer.

((wow I haven't been on YN for the longest time..but anyways)

Agreed. Definitely agreed.

Yes, the world would have been a better place had I not just said **** right now.

You'll excuse me for being bitter. As I am so fond of saying, two hands working are better than a thousand clasped in prayer.

What we all can do is:

1. start to practice abstinence
2. start to stop smoking and using drugs
3. start to love your parents
4. start to learn to pray even for little blessings in life
5. start to accept that you are pregnant and take care of your baby (this is for those who are about to abort their babies)
6. start to abstain from cussing
7. start to think about life and not just material things
8. start to do things that can be beneficial for yourself and to others.
9. start to stop dreaming of things we cannot do. Instead, look at the present. What CAN you do today?


---The point: You don't need to go to Africa to help out poor people. Let the Red Cross or whoever do that. As an ordinary teen, what you can do is to start living life in a good way so that others may be influenced to do the same.


Got it?

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Originally posted by Euterpe:
How did a thread about tsunami victims turn into premarital/teen sex and Iraqi insurgents?

Way to go, team.

Good question, Euterpe, and I'm lost, I'll tell you.

You're missing the forest for a single tree, klanjam.

did you know the tsunami wiped out the child sex capital of the world? no probably didnt here about that oh well.

If there was popular support for the insurgents, then why are the insurgents forced into guerilla tactics? Wouldnt the ybe rallying tin the streets instead of running out of a building, firing a few shots, and then dodging back intoa building?

How did a thread about tsunami victims turn into premarital/teen sex and Iraqi insurgents?

Way to go, team.

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Originally posted by marine16:
The insurgents in Iraq are not Iraqis. Just look at the word that describes them - insurgents. That means they are foriegn forces attempting to distrupt.

The insurgnets are left over 'freedom fighters' from Afghanistan, members of the PLO, members of the Syrian Army, Jordan nationals, and Whahbies fro Saudi. They are not Iraqis. All we need to do to ensure peace is strengthen the boarders.

Define Insurgent:

ADJECTIVE:

Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.

Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

NOUN: One who is insurgent.

Many are iraqis

Exactly how much relief have we actually given them?

The really depressing thing about the Tsunami disaster, for ME, is what's happening to all the poor, defenseless children. It's horrible. The sex rings, the disease, the loneliness.

All these things thrust upon millions of innocent children who don't know who they can trust and have no way of caring for or protecting themselves.

For me, that's even worse than the tragedy of it all.

*sigh*

Look. I know that there is sex involved in premarital. But you can also get STDs by inheriting them or because your herpes-infected aunt likes kissing her nieces and nephews.

Since when did I say that teens should sleep around? I used the "dirty word" because it's the common term for the people I'm referring to.

I know that there are less emotional attachments for people who aren't married, but look at the number of people who still cheat on their husbands and wives - marriage hasn't stopped them.

I still don't know why you think that I only care about the tsunami and I do understand why you want to fix the things happening around us before going off to other countries to help them, but honestly, I think it might be that I've lost hope when it comes to stopping teens from having sex or taking drugs. I was influenced in 3rd grade by my "best friend" to swear. The old school I went to has so many druggies that people just don't care anymore because it's impossible to stop. The friend I've known the longest is a meth addict and I don't even know the person she's become anymore. Many of my friends have already had sex and I really wish they didn't and that I could stop them, but they refuse to listen to anything I, or anybody else, says to them.

I'm sorry I don't see it the way you do - you think that these teens can be saved, but I've hopelessly lost so many friends to it that I don't know if anything will help them anymore. Rather, I'm focusing on something I can do, however remote and distant the problem is.

I've been so shunned by the people who aren't abstaining from sex and drugs and alcohol that the only thing I can do is befriend those who aren't involved with it, but even so, they're pulled into it by other people.

So really, I think it might just be a matter of what we consider "fixable." I consider assisting a crisis on such mass scales to be more manageable than pulling the youth away from things like drugs.

I'll apologize for almost blowing up back there, but mostly, I think I've just lost faith in teens in general and their ability to remain "pure."

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Hey, I accept premarital sex, just not teen sex. There is a difference. You can be an adult and have sex before marriage.

There might be a difference but it is still sex. SHEESH... Can't you understand why it is named premarital sex? Why would they place the word "sex" there if it isn't sex? Still the same, it is sex, it can cause pregnancy and STDS.

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I'm not confusing premarital sex. I know that it is sex before marriage. I never said that premarital sex with one person isn't premarital sex. The stars are filtering a word which means a girl that sleeps around. And I know that a person can lie before marriage, but a person can lie in marriage as well - which was my point anyways - so marriage doesn't guarantee safety.

Yes, you are. To you, it is ok to have premarital sex... which is wrong. Every sexual encounter especially sexual intercourse with only one person LEADS to other sexually-related things. Yes, I know that the stars means that what you posted is something THAT kids should not see and that teens should not practice because it is a bad influence. You know, there ARE other ways in which you can say the word without using the dirty word. Marriage might not guarantee safety, but it does in a way... rather than unmarried couples who can just hitch it off with other people without any thought of the emotional sides.

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You seem to be under the impression with some of your statements that teens can only get STDs through intercourse. Guess what? There's oral sex, too. Some people count having oral sex as still abstaining. There are holes in your plan.

*laughs* I do know that we can get STDS through oral sex or anal sex. So what? That is still the same. Teens should not have ANY sexual contact at all, especially when the person they are doing it with is someone they have known for JUST A VERY SHORT TIME. I watch OPRAH and one of their topics was about teens who dated people for only a short time and they haven't known each other long and yet they had sex. That seems to be the problem these days which is why we have to make a good difference regarding this. My plans may have holes but yours are bigger. You opt to help the tsunami victims while there are a lot of potholes on your way there. Don't you THINK it might be better if you fix the potholes first along the road before moving to the bigger plan, that is, to help the tsunami victims?

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And I've made it VERY clear that because of my AGE my school DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO GO. I'm not "dreaming" about big opportunities. I know that the opportunity WILL open up and I know when, as well. If I were dreaming about that, it would be one of those things that might not happen, but I know almost for certain that it will. I've never said that the tsunami is the only issue in the world. So far in this conversation, it's just been me trying to explain what I mean because you're just assuming what I mean in my posts.

Yes, you might be young. Which is exactly WHY I am puzzled by your enthusiasm to go and solve something so big you can't even do that right NOW. So, instead of waiting for that big opportunity to help the tsunami victims, why don't you review the potholes along the way and help make other teens choose the right decisions especially about not having sex yet, about not using drugs or smoking. And plus, YOU DID imply that the tsunami is the only problem in the world as evidenced by your not caring at all whether teens are having premarital sex or not. If you really think there are other problems, you SHOULD think that premarital and teen sex are still problems worth solving, not just to be dismissed because everyone's doing it.

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Since when was I ignorant of all other problems? It's not that I don't give advice. I'm not ignoring the community-level problems. This is a tsunami thread, and thus, I was discussing the problem of the tsunami.

You were ignorant of these problems since you overlooked the other smaller problems which are happening right around your block. you automatically dream of helping hungry kids in those tsunami victims instead of trying to be a good teen and help other teens to not have sex, not to do drugs or smoke.

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I NEVER said that everybody goes to an international school. And I DID point out the fundraising part of what I am doing.

Yeah, so why did you say that you can do this when not everyone is in an international school? You make it sound like YOU are the only one who can help those victims of which isn't even happening yet. Instead of waiting, why don't you discuss more on premarital sex and tell your friends and their other friends to practice abstinence, not just on sex but on drugs and smoking as well.

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And just because you see things like cursing to be a major problem, doesn't mean I do. Just because I don't see everything the same as you do doesn't automatically make me ignorant.

Yes, I see cursing as a major problem. Unlike you, I don't want my kids to be raised in a world full of mouths bursting with curses. I consider you ignorant because you autoatically go to big problems instead of trying to be HUMBLE and look at the road for certain smaller problems that WE can handle, through group discussions or rallies or whatever.

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You're judging my character rather severely from the limited knowledge you have of me and what I've ever done in my school and community. I've been in community service for quite some time - working in retirement centers and local schools.

I am not judging your character. It is from the way and from the things you posted that makes me say what I said. I can't see you, but I can see what you write and so far, you are a man of big dreams, too big that you overlook the small ones in order to get there. That is good that you are working in retirement centers. I am a student nurse... i also help out in our community.

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I'm not preventing teens from practicing abstinence. It's their choice.

then that means you don't care. It is only through abstinence that STDS won't spread and unwanted pregnancies would be reduced. Your negative attitude of saying its their choice means you are just going to let them do whatever they want even if it means it would get them in trouble. See, thats the difference between you and me. I care about the cause AND effect of things. You don't even care the effects of sex AS EVIDENCED by what you said that its their choice.

Hey, I accept premarital sex, just not teen sex. There is a difference. You can be an adult and have sex before marriage.

I'm not confusing premarital sex. I know that it is sex before marriage. I never said that premarital sex with one person isn't premarital sex. The stars are filtering a word which means a girl that sleeps around. And I know that a person can lie before marriage, but a person can lie in marriage as well - which was my point anyways - so marriage doesn't guarantee safety.

You seem to be under the impression with some of your statements that teens can only get STDs through intercourse. Guess what? There's oral sex, too. Some people count having oral sex as still abstaining. There are holes in your plan.

And I've made it VERY clear that because of my AGE my school DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO GO. I'm not "dreaming" about big opportunities. I know that the opportunity WILL open up and I know when, as well. If I were dreaming about that, it would be one of those things that might not happen, but I know almost for certain that it will. I've never said that the tsunami is the only issue in the world. So far in this conversation, it's just been me trying to explain what I mean because you're just assuming what I mean in my posts.

Since when was I ignorant of all other problems? It's not that I don't give advice. I'm not ignoring the community-level problems. This is a tsunami thread, and thus, I was discussing the problem of the tsunami.

I NEVER said that everybody goes to an international school. And I DID point out the fundraising part of what I am doing.

And just because you see things like cursing to be a major problem, doesn't mean I do. Just because I don't see everything the same as you do doesn't automatically make me ignorant.

You're judging my character rather severely from the limited knowledge you have of me and what I've ever done in my school and community. I've been in community service for quite some time - working in retirement centers and local schools.

I'm not preventing teens from practicing abstinence. It's their choice.

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No, no. You misunderstand me. I said that you can have premarital sex with someone and then marry them. I don't know where I said that premarital sex is anything other than sex before marriage.

Yeah... but WHY in the world would you want to have sex first? Just so you can tell whether you both are compatible in bed? Is it really hard for teens to JUST CONTROL themselves??? Are you really itching to have sex and can't wait? that is THE problem that we should tackle these days. Too many teens are having sex, even kids younger than 12. That is SO totally....not good. A kid having sex?

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****s are people who sleep around with multiple people, as are players. If you have premarital sex with ONE PERSON, you are not a ****. And you can still get an STD if you are married. Emotional distress doesn't disappear with marriage.

SEE? you are one of those problems that the youth should fix. You are using a bad word as evidenced by the asterix placed on the word. Look, PREMARITAL SEX wit ONE person is STILL PREMARITAL SEX. That is WHY it is called PREMARITAL in the first place. AND how would you KNOW that the person whom you are having sex for only one time is telling the truth that it is his/her first time? What if that person has had sex with several people? Yes, people can get STD even if they are married because in the past, they had sex with either a single person (who had several sex partners) or with many partners before and they got him/her infected. Either way, it does affect you. WHICH IS WHY the TERM ABSTINENCE comes into place. Teens should practice that. Avoid having sex till you're married. If even in school, we are taught to have patience, in real life, we should APPLY what we have learned. BY HAVING PATIENCE and stick to intimacies except sexual intercourse.

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And as for putting words in my mouth..you really were. Implying is different than saying it outright and as far as I'm concerned, I implied nothing. You're assuming. There's a difference, you know.

No, I am NOT putting words in your mouth. you obviously are confusing the words premarital sex. For you, it is OK to have premarital sex as long as it is with only one partner. What if your partner had an STD (as a result from lying to you or hereditary) that you don't know about? Premarital sex whether with one person or with many, is STILL premarital and we should advise children and teens to just practice abstinence.

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And right now, my school will not let me go and physically help because of my age, but I've gotten many friends involved in the club at our school and into the current trip to the Southeast to rebuild a school. I'm not sitting around doing nothing. Again, assumptions.

yeah, so how come you are saying that you can only DO it NEXT YEAR? why not now? I may be making assumptions that you are sitting down and doing nothing but the FACT is, you STILL can't go and help those victims PHYSICALLY. All you ever dream about are those big opportunities. You are like a person who has an aura of arrogance and just points his chin up and doesn't look where his going. It isn't just those in the tsunami you can help. YOU can start by DOING small things, like in your community, in school or whatever. It also doesn't mean you have to do them PHYSICALLY. You can organize group discussions on how to prevent premarital sex from spreading or you can give an advice to those who most need it. That is simple. Little opportunities to help others are always in our way but in your case, YOUR EYES are just on those big ones. You have to start small in order to get to big ones.

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Oh right, and I'm not saying everybody goes to an international school, but I do. And it's not like only Youthnoise people are trying to pitch in. What do you mean by "big dreams?" People from my school and other schools are over there right now. I'm not there, but I'm raising money for the club to provide these trips and come the next trip, I am going.

Yes, you do... which means your plan of helping the victims is ONLY available to YOU but not to the rest of us. This website is all about helping each other to be better people, in solving problems, not just solving it through one person. What I mean by "big dreams" means you are already sticking your nose into big things like the tsunami victims but you are not willing to extend a hand to smaller problems like stopping kids from cursing or letting teens practice abstinence. You are so into big dreams that you overlook the ones in your path, strewn around like garbage.

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Finally, I never said that getting drunk and having sex is a good idea. You are making some HUGE assumptions about my character. I think getting drunk is disgusting. And I don't encourage teens to have sex, but I won't have a hissy fit if they do because it's their choice.

I am not making assumptions. I made my statements based on what you posted. It is good that you think getting drunk is disgusting but yout attitude of NOT CARING whether they do premarital sex or not is being negative. That is why we are here on earth, to help each other be better people. And yet when people are doing things they're not supposed to be doing, you don't stop them. That is TOO MUCH TOLERANCE. And that is bad. It might be other's choice to have premarital sex, but it affects everyone. It affects the attitude of the whole social cirlce, it affects others' thinking of whether this is a good thing to do or not.

No, no. You misunderstand me. I said that you can have premarital sex with someone and then marry them. I don't know where I said that premarital sex is anything other than sex before marriage.

****s are people who sleep around with multiple people, as are players. If you have premarital sex with ONE PERSON, you are not a ****. And you can still get an STD if you are married. Emotional distress doesn't disappear with marriage.

And as for putting words in my mouth..you really were. Implying is different than saying it outright and as far as I'm concerned, I implied nothing. You're assuming. There's a difference, you know.

And right now, my school will not let me go and physically help because of my age, but I've gotten many friends involved in the club at our school and into the current trip to the Southeast to rebuild a school. I'm not sitting around doing nothing. Again, assumptions.

Oh right, and I'm not saying everybody goes to an international school, but I do. And it's not like only Youthnoise people are trying to pitch in. What do you mean by "big dreams?" People from my school and other schools are over there right now. I'm not there, but I'm raising money for the club to provide these trips and come the next trip, I am going.

Finally, I never said that getting drunk and having sex is a good idea. You are making some HUGE assumptions about my character. I think getting drunk is disgusting. And I don't encourage teens to have sex, but I won't have a hissy fit if they do because it's their choice.

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Well, actually if you go to some fat, rich international school, you can go over and directly help by doing things like rebuilding houses and schools.

really.... and LIKE, how MANY of the youthnoise members are in rich international schools? Get real. Think of a plan that is realistic not fashioned out of big dreams that isn't even happening yet.

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So yeah, by next year, I can go physically help them.

THAT is still next year. WHAT will you do for the whole of THIS year? Sitting pretty? Telling others to just go get drunk and have sex? Is that WHAT you're going to do then?

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I never said that I could stop natural calamities. Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't put words in your mouth. You implied it yourself. To you, it is better if WE all help those victims of the tsunami... Well, here's a challenge: ARE YOU DOING IT NOW? Time is running short. You can't just sit there and wait for THAT big opportunity to help when there are other problems worth solving that comes in small bundles.

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And premarital sex doesn't immediately equate to sleeping around. You can have premarital sex and marry the person you slept with. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? People who have premarital sex aren't automatically ****s or players.

*laughs* Premarital sex IS having sex with someone before marriage regardless if you were sleeping around or if you are having sex with only one person. IT IS STILL PREMARITAL SEX. That is why it is called premarital because it is before marriage. Maybe YOU are the one having such a hard time to grasp the words. Yes, people who do premarital sex are automatically blah blah or players BECAUSE they placed themselves at great risk: for STD's, unwanted pregnancy and emotional distress.

As for cursing, I really don't think that general curse words are that much of a problem.

Oh and you think you can stop cursing and premarital sex? I'd like to see you try.[/quote]

Well, actually if you go to some fat, rich international school, you can go over and directly help by doing things like rebuilding houses and schools.

So yeah, by next year, I can go physically help them.

I never said that I could stop natural calamities. Don't put words in my mouth.

And premarital sex doesn't immediately equate to sleeping around. You can have premarital sex and marry the person you slept with. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? People who have premarital sex aren't automatically ****s or players.

As for cursing, I really don