These bleeding heart liberals, as there are many on this site are just pissing me off. There views are so far-fetched, false, and completely not thought through that they should be the ones gettin banned from this site. They hate anyone who doesn't hold the same views as they do or even agree w/ them when they make a good point. If you guys hate America so much just get the **** out.
[This message was edited by YNLissa on May 05, 2004 at 06:14 AM.]
well of course that website will sya russia has bombs. its called the nuclearinittiative. and did you notice that all the bombs in tehre were developed in the 80's? the decade where the communism fell there (or it was teh revolution, i really dont remmeber). after the Soviets fell, so did their cash. and if they were so rich they would have bombed you *** already.
these are people that live in small aparetements, were both parents work in families, were police cars are pathetic little trucks. and you're telling me this country has money? maybe Putin wastes money on bombs, but the people aren't rich.
again, as i am going there soon (to stay for the school year), i will give you all what i can find from russians.
quote:Russia? Have you lost your mind? Russia is BROKE! It's not a threat to you. Size means nothing.
*SIGH* I'm really starting to think you are very, very dim, Celtic. I'm sorry but do you research any news at all? And I'm not talking about the propaganda crap like the New York Times or LA Times, I mean real stuff. Russia maintains a significant nuclear arsenal and apparently has enough money to upgrade some of their Delfin/Delta-class boomers. They aren't as poor as you think.
Sorry if this was offensive, but - and I mean to put this nicely - you need to learn to open your ears and your mind. Whatever information you're getting, be it on Russia and other issues, seems to be so far off-base it's stunning.
quote:We poke fun at everybody, and the do it right back. If you're going to base international relations on the likes of Jon Stewart, then, yes, you will have a twisted view of things. But we don't. We make fun of Mexicans sometimes, and they make fun of us. Personally, I love Mexicans, and most people from "down south". They are good people. A little ethnic or cultural teasing back and forth does not mean we hate each other. Poking fun can even be a healthy thing.
I do not even know who Jon Stewart is. I just hear tons of Canadian jokes, and if I'm sick of hearing them, I'm sure many in Canada are too. Why do they tease Canada so much? (I have never understood why they do it.)
And to the rest of your post, that's your opinion, and I've shared mine, so I'm not going to debate anymore, though it has been fun talking to a respectful person for a change.
quote:Funny I just posted something like this on another board, but the only nation that is any real overall threat is Russia. Some other nations have nukes, yes, but a small number, and no appreciable early-warning system. If the world decided to gang up against us, they'd lose, militarily, and we might not even get much of the effects of the radiation over here. Of course, that's an academic situation; I don't think the world (particularly Europe) is willing or able to even try to go up against us. It would be pointless and unproductive for them and us.
Russia? Have you lost your mind? Russia is BROKE! It's not a threat to you. Size means nothing.
And it's true, if you continue annoying everyone, your fate is well, pending
quote:Let's say Thailand for instance. My family used to go there for vacation every now and then, and I even used to live there when I was little. Now we can't even think about it, because Americans have a good chance of being killed over there.
This is news. I haven't heard of any Americans being killed or even threatened in Asia in the last few years, at least not for political reasons. Make sure you are not interpreting criminal motives as political ones. Also, you need to realize that the reasons for other countries not liking us are as much economic as anything else, which I'll point out near the end.
quote:We need all the support we can get.
Yes and no. On the one hand, it would be helpful for situations like Iraq, Iran, etc. However, since Europe is clearly uninteresting in doing anything meaningful (although they want to be able to profit off of the wars we fight!), we are better off without the dead weight. Furthermore, the European's fetish for socialism really isn't helping the U.S. or it's goals; it really doesn't work well here, I suppose for cultural as much as institutional reasons.
quote:America might be a superpower, but all of that could change if all of the other countries in the world decided they were tired of dealing with us.
Funny I just posted something like this on another board, but the only nation that is any real overall threat is Russia. Some other nations have nukes, yes, but a small number, and no appreciable early-warning system. If the world decided to gang up against us, they'd lose, militarily, and we might not even get much of the effects of the radiation over here. Of course, that's an academic situation; I don't think the world (particularly Europe) is willing or able to even try to go up against us. It would be pointless and unproductive for them and us.
quote:And where would we be able to go to escape? Canada?
We wouldn't have to escape. Besides, Canada's a pretty much France-lite. For most intents and purposes, they can be lumped in with Europe.
quote:After all of those jokes Americans seem so fond of, I don't think so. Mexico? Yeah, right. After the way we scorn them? Overseas? Everyone overseas hates us in this scenario, so nope.
We poke fun at everybody, and the do it right back. If you're going to base international relations on the likes of Jon Stewart, then, yes, you will have a twisted view of things. But we don't. We make fun of Mexicans sometimes, and they make fun of us. Personally, I love Mexicans, and most people from "down south". They are good people. A little ethnic or cultural teasing back and forth does not mean we hate each other. Poking fun can even be a healthy thing.
quote:It's all right for America to anger a couple of countries, but when you start making whole continents mad, there's going to be a problem, and we're going to eventually lose.
Economically, we could, but those forces have a vested interest in us losing economically anyway, so it's already a kind of war we're fighting (e.g. U.S. vs. EU). As far as continents being mad at us, the only one I know of in which a majority seem to dislike us is Europe, and seem to be exceptions (Switzerland, Nordic countries). Again, basically France, Germany, Spain, and a few others. Again, we are better off without them. Moreover, the European situation is as much about the EU trying to overtake the U.S. as the dominant economic force in the world, so don't think for a second that Europe's dislike of America is motivated solely - or even mostly - by our foreign policy. They don't like us because we are the 800-pound economic gorilla that they're trying to beat.
quote:Um, what is much different than the past? If you're referring to the Mid-East, Americans were always targets in the Mid-East. Terrorists killed 240 Marines in the mid-80's with a truck bomb. Of all the nations intolerant of Americans that I know of, all were just as intolerant before Iraq as after.
I wasn't talking about the Middle East. I was talking about all of the other places that haven't always hated us.
Let's say Thailand for instance. My family used to go there for vacation every now and then, and I even used to live there when I was little. Now we can't even think about it, because Americans have a good chance of being killed over there.
quote:As far as Europe goes, again, we're much better off without them.
We need all the support we can get. America might be a superpower, but all of that could change if all of the other countries in the world decided they were tired of dealing with us.
And where would we be able to go to escape? Canada? After all of those jokes Americans seem so fond of, I don't think so. Mexico? Yeah, right. After the way we scorn them? Overseas? Everyone overseas hates us in this scenario, so nope.
It's all right for America to anger a couple of countries, but when you start making whole continents mad, there's going to be a problem, and we're going to eventually lose.
The problem is that your movement is closely tied with lunatics like Michael Moore, who hate America and who are proud of it. That type should go, even if forced to do so. I don't honestly believe that most Kerry supporters actually hate America. On the other hand, the leadership of the pro-Kerry/Anti-Bush movement is closely identified with hatred of all things American. And, frankly, the failure of the more sensible and moderate members of the liberal community to distance themselves from this only brings the motives and feelings of those more moderate people into question as well.
-----"""If you guys hate America so much just get the **** out."""
No. It's our country, we love it, and we don't want to see it go down the wrong path, we want it to be the best country it can be, and we want it to earn it's title as "land of the free".
"If you guys hate America so much just get the **** out."
I just want to make sure that you are not trying to say "America, love it or leave it." I know you didn't but it sounded close and I just wanted to say that that quote should be, "America, love it enough to improve it." Think about it, it's like a marriage, you can't say "love it or leave it" you have to love it enought to nurture your relationship, and only this way can it ever be truly great. Thanks, Bye
quote:But at least Americans were tolerated before; now they're killed.
Um, what is much different than the past? If you're referring to the Mid-East, Americans were always targets in the Mid-East. Terrorists killed 240 Marines in the mid-80's with a truck bomb. Of all the nations intolerant of Americans that I know of, all were just as intolerant before Iraq as after.
quote:It's pretty sad that America has managed to fall out of favor with just about everyone. I think America has some internal problems to fix before the other countries will tolerate America again.
Again, apparently "everyone" to you means France, Germany, and Russia. Frankly, the less we have to do with them, the better. America's relationship hasn't changed much with the Mid-East (and, at least, some of the Middle-Eastern despots are quaking in their boots now, witness Mohmar Gaddafi.) Nor has it changed with Asia - we've actually had better relations, at least publicly, with China since Bush has been president.
As far as Europe goes, again, we're much better off without them.
quote:Europeans, particularly the French, still look down on us as they have as far back as I can remember, and the Mid-East never was terribly America-friendly to begin with.
But at least Americans were tolerated before; now they're killed.
It's pretty sad that America has managed to fall out of favor with just about everyone. I think America has some internal problems to fix before the other countries will tolerate America again.
We were worse before Bush, and we found out exactly how much a little short of three years ago.
In any case, in most of the places of which I'm aware, Americans were not liked before Bush, so nothing was lost. Europeans, particularly the French, still look down on us as they have as far back as I can remember, and the Mid-East never was terribly America-friendly to begin with. So, nothing was lost. Personally, forgetting all the other reasons for or against the Iraq War, one good thing to come out of it is that we did it without Europe's blessing. It's refreshing to see that America is capable of doing something on its own (regardless of whether you feel it was right or wrong), without a permission slip from the U.N. or Europe.
And one final note on this dislike of Americans by Europeans:For the most part, the feeling is very much mutual.
quote:exactly. its not safe for americans to say "im american" in another country anymore. thats why i said you need a president to change how people view you. its for your own good.
Yeah. I feel bad for people who do not have dual citizenship and do not have another passport to travel on.
exactly. its not safe for americans to say "im american" in another country anymore. thats why i said you need a president to change how people view you. its for your own good.
quote:You need a President that will change how people from other countires view you, unless you plan on staying inside America forever and never traveling.
I do not dare to travel on my American passport when I go outside of the country. I think that it's pretty sad that you could be killed just for being an American, even if you feel a similar dislike for them.
To some poeple, Bush has been a blesssing, to other a curse. Well, all I know, not living in the U.S., is that the reputation of the U.S. ws much better before Bush. People liked you. You may say that's not important, but it is, considering you're one of the "world powers". You need a President that will change how people from other countires view you, unless you plan on staying inside America forever and never traveling.
Of course your country is better off now than before. Being a President in the 1800's is a much harder thing than being one now.
Pretty much, yes. Some thing need tweaking such as a way to bring down healthcare costs (which is NOT going to happen with a trial lawyer - John Edwards - in office who made his living raising them!) But, looking at everything as a whole, we don't need tremendous amounts of change.
Change for the sake of change is rarely a good thing. On the whole, our country is better off than it was at previous stages in history, or at least is on the right track. And few reasonable people would dispute that we are immensely better-off than the rest of the world. There is no need to fix what really isn't broken. Or, to put it more accurately, break what is pretty much fixed.
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