"The fact that everyone who makes money is rich is an overstatement. Many poor people work 2+ jobs and 40+ hours a week and barely make anything. I'm talking about the upper, middle, and lower classes. Poor have always paid taxes and are paying even more now due to the tax cut. The poor should never have to pay larger taxesbecause the simply cannot afford to."
actually the rich are being taxed more. we are paying everyone elses taxes.
"It should be the goverment's job. Its not Communism. Its Capitalism with a Conscience. If a CEO is making hundreds of millions of dollars, wouldnt it be okay if he only made tens of millions of dollars?"
so you are telling me there is a penalty for success? that CEO has done its job to get to the top. and im pretty sure that the pooer arent beign taxed millions and million of dollars.
"The fact that we are going to leave supporting the poor to charities and churches can be good and help, it depends to much on the fact that all people, especially wealthy people, are good natured and willing to help. That is not true. Many wealthy people have been corrupted by wealth and power, so it is up to the goverment to take the job because not only the poor are getting harmed, but the average american as well.''
i hop eyou arent suggesting that the governemnt pay the poor epople's taxes.
"Its about the evidence to the War in Iraq, which has been proved in Reports lately to have been largely falsified and exaggerated. We are now seeing reports come out that the CEO memos to the pres about weapons were fake or the administration had altered them."
hmm i heard that it was a liberal who lied to america. heard of Joseph Wilson? how about Lord Butler? there is sufficent evidence to se that, if left in power, saddam would have acquired uranium ore. see this is another thing about liberaals. do you want to wait until Iran or other countries in bed with terroristrs acquires uranium and nukes and the attack? wouldnt that be worse?
"Being pro-choice and for gay rights is the only way for a Repub politician in California to gain power. Bar none."
that stil doesnt explain why he isnt aliberal republican. he is one. everyone knows it. he will be speaking at the RNC to show the republican doversity in order to lure swing voters.
"He has been supporting Bush lately and those two convictions he has are a small price to pay for the fact that he supports other extremely conservative views. In fact, his head-on conservative views are the ones causing California problems."
really like what?
"I will have to admit to the fact that I do not know alot about Carter economy, other then the fact that it wasnt bright'n shiny. "
*chuckle* thats the understement of the century. especially when he talked about strenghtening America and ciritcized Bush for weakeneing America when he was the worst of them all at weakening our country. heck we were being pushed around by Iran for God's sake. you knwo that wouldnt happen now.
"Clintons spending policies had nothing to do with the 2001 economy, because the period that Bush got in the economy was fine."
his economy was receding months before he left office. the thing about clinton is that he got in office just in time to get tthe glory of Bush SR. but he left office and left all the criticism to poor bush.
"You have to realize that policies from another administration dont errupt during the middle of the next and influence it.'
you have to realize that it was less than eight months after bush took office that the economy was starting to get noticed.
"For instance Unemployment swooped down during Clintons era (from where it was high during Poppy Bush's) and then shoot back up during GeeDubya's. Here, take a look:"
that chart doesnt show who caused it. there are always fluctuations on the economy. you have to realize that stuff like this happens periodically.
"Ahh, Its old news now. Rummy called for "Harsher forms of interrogation" at Guantanamo and Iraqi prisons. Something like that. I dont really remember."
and im sure he meant put prisoners in orgy style.
"Well, I became one because I liked its aspects. You think they have no positive aspects because they go against your beliefs. Conservatism goes against mine. We cant proove eachother right or wrong on this."
suit yourself.
"Actually, It wasnt. Look at the charts. Look at history. It feel in 2001 like you said, but once again, policies, except foreign ones, dont reincarnate themselves after 2 some years. Especially when a new president takes office."
that chart was outdated and it didnt come from any credible source.
"No. All media outlets. CNN had bad things to say about Gore, especially when that fake story circulated the Press about Gore saying he invented the Internet. Damn Drudge Report. I hate that site."
im sorry im to forgetful forgot again.
"I dont know what your comment has to do with anything. I was just asking a question. But yes, Rush Limbaugh is somewhat of a moron. For instance, I was listening to him the day after Teresa Heinz gave her speach at the DNC and he said:
RUSH: ...she said hello to the Spanish in Spanish, the Italians in Italian, the French in French, but when she said hello to the continetial africans living in America, she didnt say it in their language, just in English...
Wow. He knows alot. Little does Mortimer know, but in Africa there are over 1000 tribal languages to popular languages like Arabic. There is no one "African Language." However, the best way to great Africans would be to great them in English, because English is widely spoken as a first and second language."
funny i dont remember him saying that and ii listen to him regularly. and michael moore lies in his movies. his propganda sickens me.
"I thought I'd also break it to you that Rush collected unemployment insurance for awhile (something he always complains about) and never voted for Reagan because he was to lazy to register."
well you knoe people change.
"I have never heard of this "Clinton met with Taliban theory," yet I do know that Bush did."
thats cuz clinton tried to cover it up (just as sandy berger is right now)
"They visited and talked about an oil pipeline to be built through from the Caspian Sea through Turkmen, Afghani, and Pakistan to the Arabian Gulf. There is footage of the meeting in the movie. At one point a woman wearing a Burka takes it off and says "You Taliban have been oppressing your women" and the Taliban representee says "I feel sorry for your husband to her." Bush is silent and says nothing. Have you gone and seen it? Its very good. I think you'll like it."
can you back this up with facts?
"You are severlly mistaken. Moore said that Saudis (not the Bin Ladens) were flown out on September 13th. The Bin Ladens were flown to Paris from Boston on the 18th. "
i dont remember him saying anythinga bout thats when the restriction was eased. he made it sound llike none of them were interviewed and they left ilegally. not ot mention it was richard clarke who let them leave too.
"First off, there werent thirty of them. There were 24."
it was rounded number.
" I think the author of that article might have confused the Saudis with the Bin Ladens."
the saudis were teh bin ladens. i believe that bin laden was from saudi arabia.
" None of the 24 Bin Laden members were questioned and flew to Paree without even being interogated."
nononononono the FBI questioned them and remember it was clarke who let them go.
"Bush has taken the longest vacations in all of history for the position of the US president."
well then you truly know nothing of carter. he hauled off every weekend to Camp Daivd.
"Bush spent most of his time relaxing, playing golf, hunting, cutting down trees, working on the ranch, and riding his bike. Yep, he lived the good life. You really cant "bring your work" to another place, especially a ranch in the middle of Texas."
no he met with Tony Blair there, he and Franks have had many briefings there. he wanted to work in a more familiar area. whas so wrong with that?
"OH YEAH! And he met with Italy's prime minister Silvio Berlusconi as well! You see, Bush, Blair, and Silvio are all very good friends. They like to hunt, cut down trees (WOW, I am getting the feeling that cutting down trees must be really awesome,) play golf and other stuff. In fact, Berlusconi presented Bush with a Berreta hunting shotgun from the 1600's. I dont remember if they did any work."
they talked abuot their plans concerning Iraq and other matters. i read the liberal woodward's book. i know what goes on there. coem to think of it. i kind of like woodward. he is a bit sneaky at times though.
"Bush still has taken the longest vacations in history of US president."
he doesnt go on vacation every weekend.
"I know they did."
good.
"No they dont! Were did you get that piece? Republicans want to repeal things like miminimum wage. If you can name one good thing the Repubs have proposed for the working man, the middle class, you have won this argument."
how about keeping them safe from terrorism? hah. get to know your parties. edwarsds likes to lie to minorties. "we'll offer you a bigger part of the American Dream" what a lie! the American Dream is out there for whoever wants to go out and grab it.
"No, I think its the opposite way around."
no its true. if a liberal ever does get in office, nothing you know why? because they know that if the poor become richer, there wont be any more poor people to tell lies to and get their vote. thats exactly why liberals are so soft on immigration policies. they ant to let as many illegal immigrants as they can into the country. because by and large dems know tat they'll vote dem.
"Is it bad to provide free health care."
yes it is. not only is it socialistic, but it puts helathcare companies out of business and makes even more people out of jobs. you ccan give me your argument that then those workers can come work for the governemnt, but not only wil the goverment not have that many jobs, but whenevr a governemtn job is added, what happens? ttaxes get raised.
"European countries provide it as well. Without free helthcare, middle to low class citizens cant afford to get medical treatment, so they eventually die off in a certain sense, leaving them in the dust and creating a huge gap between the rich and the poor. When there is a large gap, the economy is not good."
and why do they have crappy economies? one of the main reaaons is because hey do this. they had to merger with other countries just to get a currency worth more htan the dollar.
"Well there really is no Liberally biased media, first off all. But people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh have been attacking Liberals with fake attacks that arent true."
to tell you the truth, im reading sean hannity's book and man is it good. i suggest it to anyone who is able to read. yes there is a liberal media. what do you think most of the major newspapers are and most of the tv news are? not to mention associated Press is liberally biased. ahaha i find it funny that countries like canada allow al jazeera, a terrorist sympathetic news station, is allowed but law abiding great news station like FOX is banned. tell me, whats wrong with that picture?
"I must plead ignorance to this case for I do not know who Jack Ryan is."
he is a poor republican who was ousted out of the Illini senatorial race because he wanted to do somthing cinky with his wife.
"Moore doesnt mislead people."
yes he does.
"I was talking about the wealthy, not republicans (although most wealthy people are Republicans.) However, I do know a Republican who owns a Ferrari: my nextdoor neighbor. Its a Ferrari Stradale and has a BUSH/CHENEY '04 sticker on the bumper."
ooh one example. besides you live in california, dont you? you probably see those al the time. especialy those stupid hllywood liberals who probably buy ferraris and think nothing of it. and in one of your pictures posted in randomosity, didnt you have a hat that had somthing to do with ferrari?
"There is no liberal bias. End of story."
ha you say that after i list a list of some of the most liberally slanted news sources in theworld today.
"CURRENT SITUATION FOR AVERAGE IRAQI:
No Job, Little Food, No Electricity, No water, Riots, Looting, Insurgency battles, bombs, unsafe streets, Poor hospitals, poor home, foreign invaders, lost friends/family member/co-workers, injuries of war, and impending Theocracy."
of course not they just got out of the war. germany was the same way, if not worse. they were bombed so hard there was harly two bricks standing.
"RESPONSE FROM NEOCONS:
Aaaah, quit ya bellyachin'! You're FREE, arent ya?"
our country is a philanthropist nation. do you turly believe that those people were not like that during saddam?! they were probably worse. we are doing all we can to rebuild that country. which is why it would be nce for some help from countries like frnace and germany. this war is too big for one or two countrie to fight alone. we need help. i fin it funny that a country like france calls us arrogant.
"Clinton wasnt providing weapons to Saddam,"
of course not htat would be ludicrous. but of course its ok for him to nuclearly arm north korea nad give missile to china. nothing wrong there.
"thats what he was doing. He knew that providing weapons would be used against Iraqis."
bush never supplied weapons to saddam.
"Clinton adressed Saddam as a potential threat with WMD and how UN weapons inspectors were continously inspecting, however, they were being hindered by doing so. He really didnt mention things he could have done."
he didnt do anything. in 1998? i dont think so if you dont rmember, thats the year saddam banned UN inspectors.
"Okay, Red. I'll respond to the rest of your post latter. Dinner Calls"
cant wait.
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