I'm honestly not trying to rip on YN here just for the sake of doing so. All I really want is a consensus from some of our more veteran members on a couple things... this is partisan free, and is simply a "what do you think" kind of scenario.

Kidd makes an accusation that the military is responsible for acts of genocide in Fallujah. http://boards.youthnoise.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4994004831/m/24710661

This was made in the War and Terrorism board, now as reasonable people, I find that it should be fairly apparent that this type of accusation holds no factual merit, and it should be disregarded. People that make claims that fall under the obtuse and ignorant, or in our dear poster childs case, deliberatly decietful, should be called out immediatly by the veteran members. Yay or Nay

Articles: the articles you see featured on the home page are often brought on by some no name noise maker, they tend to make accusations such as that "troops are treasure hunters, un-interested in the security of Iraq" or murderers because women and children died here and there. People of this nature should also be swiftly called out on the offense and beaten with a short stick (joke, i do not condone the beating of percieved non-intellects) Yay or Nay? http://www.youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=2351
http://www.youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=2084

Those that heckel president Clinton one day and Bush the next, who proudly boast in front of impressionable minds that they heckled the former president and were treated like "clowns" (I'm sorry honestly I could not distinguish the difference) then claim to be a well known YAB memeber, who did not become a YN member until Feb 06, even though the YAB was established in 05, and has 0 posts, so therefore we must all know the name. I propose stepping in and taking care of that business as well. Yay or Nay http://www.youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=2186

See the point to all this is quite simply to try and take the experience and use it to squash the outrageous claims from the start, and to facilitate good debate. We cant do that with all this mis-information running around, and if YN will not help to contain it, it falls to us.

No for an example of how not to engage individuals and sticking with the ideas see this: http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=2375

I look forward to the questions, comments, and snide remarks from all levels.

Brian

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Originally posted by yogore:
I cannot take you seriously because you are biased. You only hate this stuff because it's against your opinion. Debate it respectfully, don't complain.

If I thought that debate was the answer I would do that, but seeing how most of the time with these articles the people who write them never stick around to debate thier own crock of crap.

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And as for whodisdan, he is a YN employee in SF, for your information. As for the Brian mentioned, I believe that's Kidd, and he's been around for a while.

Well then thats an error, I'll bring it up to Lisa tommorow... and again if it is Kidd then the little YN Poster Liberal description stands pretty firm.

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You mistake my purpose for writing this, I'm not trying to have the incorrect information taken away, I'm recruiting people to keep an eye out and to squash the things that are right and left wing propoganda.

Ah, alright. But good luck with that. I think people should correct others when they see things that are blatantly false as well, but I also don't want to pretend that everything I say is fact. The good thing about this site is that there are quite alot of people on here that question pretty much everything posted. But I do agree with you that people should do a little research on a subject if they are going to post what they say are facts.

And as far as Kidd is concerned, he's an idiot. Like I said before there is no reason to shout the truth. Also, the former president Clinton has his full right to speech just like all the rest of us, and attempting to deny him that by heckling him is no more right than saying all teenagers are drunken dope addicts or glue sniffers.

*props to anyone who gets that joke*

You mistake my purpose for writing this, I'm not trying to have the incorrect information taken away, I'm recruiting people to keep an eye out and to squash the things that are right and left wing propoganda.

Your perfectly correct in pointing out that some people are under 20 and might not know all the facts, but thats all the more reason to bring the actual facts to the table when seeing things that are so wrong, because if the writer doesn't care enough to look, what is there to say that the person reading is going to check either?

How many times have you honestly saw some figure or piece of information that jived with your political or ethical or religious beliefs and accepted it without looking first. We've all done it at one point or another I would bet on it. It's human nature.

So in short I'm not trying to squash opinions I'm trying to right wrongs and carry out my vision for what this forum should be about, not just the freedom of expression, or a place for teens to talk, but for a place where people can learn. I cant begin to tell you the number of things I've learned from talking to people here, simply because I take the time to make an informed opinion or judgement. I dont spread lies.

I urge the rest of you to do the same.

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Um...is this the same person? "We are so easily deceived", yet "You just have to be wise enough to discern for yourself."???

Sorry, when you put those two sentences together it def makes no sense. But I was talking about two different things. The first post IS my opinion, which I feel very strongly about, only because we have lost a sense of respect. Which, also in my opinion, can be blamed on people who do not discern for themselves. I'm not saying that this whole country should be censored because of that though. I'm just saying that our troops deserve our respect.

And Hydrok, you cannot expect people to know all the facts about everything. Don't just assume that b/c they leave out information, that it is on purpose. Let's face it, the people who write these articles are no older than 20. Do you really think they have political agendas? And even if they do, what are you going to do about it? Make sure everything is deleted and all evidence of their writing is ripped away? There is a shitload of things said on this site that you might think are BS, and you are welcome to state your side of the story to prove them wrong. But if people wanna believe others so easily w/out doing their own research, then that is their problem. It's frustrating, but its an impossible job trying to filter out the world's stupidity.

slander and libel is spreading information vocally or in print format that is untrue so yes some of this does indeed fall under those labels

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And even better YN promotes it!

YN does not promote it. YN promotes YNers to use their voices. YN is not at fault if more "crazy liberals" or whatever you wanna call it take the time to write more articles than supporters do.

I'm sorry, but I just find it to be common sense to know articles on things like wars here are opinion-based. It's VERY obvious in articles what is fact from what is opinion and bias.

And I'm going with yogore here. You hate this because it goes against your opinion.

If you are so concerned about the "bullshit" YN is spreading, write more articles yourself.

This is NOT slander or libel. If so half of the planet would be arrested against all presidents, soldiers, etc. This is what the US originally fought for: democracy.

Exactly also we do have laws against slander and libel in this country which many of the accusations against our boys clearly falls under

Thanks Meags... tell me about it... opinions are fine, but opinions that blatently ignore fact on purpose is not.

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If anyone sees a troop or knows a troop fighting oversees, they need to go up to them and thank them. All the disrespect towards our marines and soldiers on this site is just sick. Believe it or not, our military is fighting against terrorists, murderers, and those who stand for injustice towards humanity....for those who don't know yet, are disillusioned by the 1% of America that lives in a utopia and therefore doesn't think outside that box, and by the overly logical, technical, liberal politicians that will twist anything in order to make the state of our country look bad so that they can get the gain in the next elections. We are so easily decieved.

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Hydrok ~ people have their opinions. You can't take that away from them. You just have to be wise enough to discern for yourself.

Um...is this the same person? "We are so easily deceived", yet "You just have to be wise enough to discern for yourself."???

Hydrok ~ people have their opinions. You can't take that away from them. You just have to be wise enough to discern for yourself.

Oh so... Kidd is the one that heckled Clinton, wonderful. This is awsome!

And even better YN promotes it!

If anyone sees a troop or knows a troop fighting oversees, they need to go up to them and thank them. All the disrespect towards our marines and soldiers on this site is just sick. Believe it or not, our military is fighting against terrorists, murderers, and those who stand for injustice towards humanity....for those who don't know yet, are disillusioned by the 1% of America that lives in a utopia and therefore doesn't think outside that box, and by the overly logical, technical, liberal politicians that will twist anything in order to make the state of our country look bad so that they can get the gain in the next elections. We are so easily decieved.

While on some level, I do see YN's desire to let everyone (no matter how biased or uninformed) be heard, I also think that they also have a responsibility to the truth. Where the middle groud is, I can't say for certain; however, it seems almost irresponsible to fill the minds of the youth of America with dangerous dillusions about a lot of important events going on today.

I think, for starters, biased articles (for either side) need to have an "EDITORIAL" heading. Secondly, they should definately not be mixed with regular informational articles. Maybe in the future YN could do like some newspapers do, where they present the "pro" and "con" side by side. Could debates perhaps become more formal where two people have opposing views and each write up a "debate" to support their position?

I cannot take you seriously because you are biased. You only hate this stuff because it's against your opinion. Debate it respectfully, don't complain.

And as for whodisdan, he is a YN employee in SF, for your information. As for the Brian mentioned, I believe that's Kidd, and he's been around for a while.

Aye on all 3 if one is going to make an accusation like such one must have evidence. To do so with out is similer in merit to saying that elvis is still alive, there's plenty of evidence that he's dead and you don't have any that he's alive