ok ok...where does it say then in the bible that you go to hell if you kill yourself?-huh?

well...doesn't god forgive everything?....I guess I'll just have to ask him to forgive me ahead of time

I never said taking your own life was NOT wrong- I don't reccomend it, but it's not you who's deciding for the person and it's not you who's condeming them to your heaven or your hell. Plus, some casses of depression are desises- if I'm under the influence of a desiese and take my life will your 'almighty merciful all-loving powerful god' live up to all you say he is? This makes no sense to me. Kindly explain.

smj, sweetie, i'm dead set against it b/c that's what it is - it's your life. I know its not easy to live at all...TRUST me i know. I wish i could give what i have now, if i could i would...i'm so sry that you still feel this way...its a horrible way to feel and it sucks. You do have a whooole life ahead of you. Dont waste it by killing yourself...just b/c things literally SUCK right now doesnt mean you take your life...

Look, you don't have to believe in a God like i do. And, i'm not telling you to. But, in all honesty, i was just sincerely suggesting that you open up to Him one quiet night. If you have no total faith in Him right now...that's cool, i didnt either when i was suicidal. But, can you find like a journal to write all of this in? Or, find a really close friend or reletive you just talk to. I think i heard you mention once that you told your cousin. Can you get her to help thru all the crap that's going on in your life right now? Or, can you join a youth group at your church that the youth leader leads? Find someone to talk to and to help you battle thru this.

Jot down the ultimate things that are making you suicidal on a piece of paper and see if you can't control anything there...if it has to do w/ a person..fine, but what did they do? is there a way you can possibly forgive them? Hey, i KNOW this sounds crazy, trust me...but i think it could work b/c right now, in my journal, i'm doing this. Most of the things on my list, thankfully, i can control and get thru. And if you cant take a little help from any person who DOES care about you and love you...there has to be someone, right? I'm serious. Right?

I know it's your life, and that you can do what you want w/ it. Thats what i thought too. But whats going on in my life also affects others, too...please listen to me. And, guess what? i'm alreaady one person who loves you and prays for you everyday. I dont know you, you dont know me. but i know enough of you that i really just do care for you, and my heart goes out to all of the suicidal out there...please, dont kill yourself, FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DEAL W/ YOUR PROBLEMS. PLEEEEASE.

I am not judging anyone!! And yes for your information you could live an angelic life and still go to hell if you kill yourself!!!! I have no powers that God has not given me. I do not hold myself above God. We're all freakin human so we're a little judgemental sometimes!!!! The point is that taking of any life is wrong!!!! It's that simple!!!! I only speak what I know is true. so if u can't accept it, then don't, I'm not forcin u to

you were the one that was trying to help me take away the ultimate...my life...and now you are dead set against it.

Well, I was planning on telling a youth leader from church but couldn't. Her mom is old and is dieing. I couldn't exactly tell her that I want to take my own life. So...I'm stuck again. I hadn't picked up a knife in two days, or taken any pills. But last night the urge grew and i had to pick up a knife again....and today at work I HAD to pop in those caffeine pills. But I'm still trying to stop. My suicidal friend from church said I could talk to her anytime though. She is still depressed but not as suicidal.

ChristsDrumChild doesnt have the power, he's just saying you guys...

What makes you think you have the right to condem anyone to your 'hell'? How dare you! Do you think that you can just go about telling people where they're going when they die? Who made you 'god'? If I were to live an angelic life and then kill myself would I go to your hell? That's awful that you think you have that power. I am not for suicide, but if someone is willing to take the eternal consiquence they can go for it. I won't encourage them- but it's their choice. And it SURE AS HELL isn't your choice where they end up after they've committed suicide so get off your pedistal! If you are 'Christs-freaking-drumchild' you shouldn't hold yourself above him and think that you can make his judgements.

just cuz you kill yourself doesn't mean you're going to hell

I hate to tell all u suicidal ppl but it's not the answer. If u commit suicide think about it,ur gonna go strait to Hell, there's no way of gettin around it! And I don't know about u, but if it's this bad on earth I'd hate to see what it's like in Hell wouldn't u????

i do offer words of comfort and sympathy b/c i've been there as well as you have...

and, its good that you werent just talking to me. maybe i said what i did though b/c its true though. sry, i was just trying to help ppl here on this site...we all need someone like this when youre feeling so depressed that you just want to end it all...thankfully it happened to me. i was trying to encourage to let it happen to them, too.

I could really care less what religion you were or are, or "who i am talking too". Instead of being sympathetic and offering words of comfort, you were shoving the I found God B.S. down everyone's throught. I am a depression survivor, and I know how it feels just as much as the next person. And I wasn't talking to just you, I was talking to everyone who seemed to be shoving what they thought was best, not trying to understand.

yeah, that's cool. i hope you do like i think i pretty much did.

i'm not mad at you...i'm just trying to find a way out of this cycle

no, I'm not mad at you. My youth leader just emailed me back....I'm gonna go read it

i was an athiest for i don't know how long...okay? i have "stopped and smelled the roses", and i am not telling her what to do, i am just suggesting it. at least i found an answer to live my life. dammit look @ my other posts...you'll see that i was once upon a time suicidal for a good straight 8 mos. and i've been suicidal other times before. in fact, i think i've been fighting suicidal intentions ever since i was 11...so, i know the deal, okay? you don't even know who you're talking to here...

smj, i was just making a suggestion...sry it didn't work out. Good luck in either way you turn.

well...anyway....I just emailed a youth leader from church for the heck of it....if I feel that she would care and would keep things confidential...I have thought about telling her...I might...I'm not sure yet

Daddy won't let you out? Sometimes, you just can't listen to your parents because they don't always know what's best for YOU.
I'm not a fan of offering sympathy. I never got any when I was going through tough times. Let's put it this way: things could be a lot worse.
So... why don't you stop wasting time here and go seek help? Or have these *caring* individuals not yet convinced you that your life has some value?
Suicide can be a selfish thing, which is why I never went through with it. Life sucks like hell sometimes. I think most of us can swear by it. But we're still here, and I'm sure we have our own, unique reasons. You need to find yours.

the eternal enemy of dubbed/cut anime,
Lydia

I told my dad that I can no longer live this way and that I will sneak out. I HAVE to have fun. He said that the day he finds out that I have sneaked out, is the day I will never be welcomed home again. And he means it. It's so weird...four months ago I was depressed but not doing anything. Now I have a knife under my matress, a box of needles on my bed, a rope hanging on the back of my door, a suicide manual on my bookshelf, and a bag of pills under my bed. I want to stop cutting and stuff...but I can't. Last night I stabbed myself 25+ times with the needle into the veins.....and cut a little over my hip. Sometimes I feel as if it's not even me doing these things....once I realized what I did last night...I started to cry and fell asleep. I can't sleep anymore unless I physically hurt myself. I HATE IT!

smj,if it's not working to look for God I sugest you stop looking,personally I don't think you'll ever find anything any way.Try looking at the good things in life,personally I like waterfalls,summer mornings,baby animals.... And I wanted to share this with you:

>
>Think about this . . . You may not believe it, but it's 100% true
> 1. At least 2 people in this world love you so much they would die for you!
> 2. At least 15 people in this world love you in some way.
> 3. The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you.
> 4. A smile from you can bring happiness to anyone, even if they don't like you.
> 5. Every night, someone thinks about you before they go to sleep.
6. You mean the world to someone.
7. If not for you, someone may not be living.
8. You are special and unique.
9. Someone that you don't even know exists, loves you.
>11. When you think the world has turned its back on you, take another
>look, you most likely turned your back on the world.
>12. When you think you have no chance of getting what you want, you
>probably won't get it. But if you believe in yourself, sooner or later
>you may get exactly what you want.
>13. Always remember the compliments you receive, forget about the rude remarks.
>14. Always tell someone how you feel about them, you'll feel much better when they know.
>15. If you have a great friend, take time to let them know that they are great.
Don't believe it? Look at all the people who responded to your post. We want you to live smj!!! If you can't live for you own sake then at least live for our sake!!

Don't ask permission. You need to get out of that house.