At San Francisco State this past month, a voter awarness rally was held on the school grounds. Various political groups of the school were on hand and had set up tables to support the candidate of the political preference of each group. At SFSU, they have a Conservative Students Society which had set up a table. All of the sudden, a group of Palestinean and Muslim students crowded around the table, throwing food and screaming at those at the table and those there to get a Bush Cheney bumper sticker and pin. At one point, one of the students physically assaulted one of the members of the CSS. One of the Muslim students even said at one point that he would rather strap a bomb to his body than call himself an American. Campus security had to remove the CSS table b/c they did not have enough people to protect them. The dean of SFSU took no action. Other incidents concerning the Muslim and Palestinean group have also come to light yet the dean has not punished these students. This is a violation of free speech and the fact that the dean will not punish the students properly is wrong.

I am sick and tired of extremist groups and foreign immigrants living in this country and not upholding the values which we as Americans treasure. If these people don't like this country, they should just leave. But they don't. Why? Because people come to America to find freedom and oppurtunity yet they do not wish to show this country the respect it deserves.

your right about Sadam for sure. Your also correct about the North Korean dictator. We should be worrying more about North Korea than about Sadam and Iraq.North Korea is more prone to attack us than Iraq is.

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Sadam was arguably the most powerful and dangerous people who had harmful intentions. Although there are terrorists all over the world, taking one of the most significant ones out of power was key.

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I think the North Korean dictator was more dangerous than Sadam. Most dangerous can be a personal opinion.

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As I said before, America can only do so much. It would be great if we could solve all world problems, but we can't.

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America shouldn't be solving all the world's problems. It's that simple.

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When Rumsfeld went to Kuwait and that solider asked the question about the armored vehicles I agree with him. We should have better protected vehicles. More and more of our men are dying because we don't have safe enough vehicles. The loss of men would probably be down substantial if we had safer vehicles.

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Sadam was arguably the most powerful and dangerous people who had harmful intentions. Although there are terrorists all over the world, taking one of the most significant ones out of power was key.

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I think the North Korean dictator was more dangerous than Sadam. Most dangerous can be a personal opinion.

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As I said before, America can only do so much. It would be great if we could solve all world problems, but we can't.

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America shouldn't be solving all the world's problems. It's that simple.

well first off, i think you're an idiot.

freedom of speech is the biggest piece of bull**** ive ever heard of, some people really dont deserve a voice. why do i think people like you suck?
well first off, those people also deserve something called RESPECT, but im sure youre all about it.
if you lived in a foreign country and that country sent troops to kill off your family, im sure you would be acting in the same way, or probably more to the crying in the corner way of saying it.
second, you shouldnt be flaming immigrants as of yet, i bet someone in your family is an immigrant, or what about all of those enlish that came into america? wow, my hipothesis seems to be correct.
dont the kids who stood against bush and all of that bull**** also deserve an opinion?
and what the hell its like yelling at a jew for hitting a nazi.
not holding the values? which values? the ones that you reflect? you offer death, war and more nihilist bull****. people dont go to america looking for "freedom and opportunity" people go to america because america destroyed their country, and they have nowhere else to go.
the respect? you should be showing some yourself.

and by the way, to fight back against that bull**** hollywood quote youve got in your sig, ive got a better one:
"the war only spares the cowards"
or what about
"those who flee will fight again"
or what about
"we should provide in peace what we need in war"

you are a very hipocrite person, just like me, but you seem to like showing it off.

My philosophy: Have an open mind, stand by your beliefs, try your hardest, be moral, be ethical, be civil, love God and your neighbor
If I could solve one world problem it would be: Bringing the world and country out of this age of evil and disunity and unitying all the nations and people under one just cause, plus much, much more

hahaha youre a standing joke.

I'm outraged by: Stupid, extremist Liberals who have no idea what they're protesting nor what politics are all about

what are politics about?
**** you, youre bull****. and soldiers suck, get it in your head.

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Everyone can agree at the right reasons. Human slavery is up there. It is just that people do not want to take the trouble to uplift a people that do not have any reasorces we need at the moment.

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You'd be surprised what people think. I think a lot of people believe that we freed our own slaves (after years and years of slavery) through democracy and progression and activism, why can't other countries do the same? Not my personal opinion, but an argument.

It's not as if America is the only superpower in the world. We're just the scapegoat half the time because of our constant involvement overseas.

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Yes they do. Terrorsits use areas civil unrest to make their bases. I do not doubt that there are long-term terrorist settlements in both these places.

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Sadam was arguably the most powerful and dangerous people who had harmful intentions. Although there are terrorists all over the world, taking one of the most significant ones out of power was key.

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But isn't slavery a threat to the american idealism?!?

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It goes against American idealism, but that does not necessarily mean it is a threat to us. As I said before, America can only do so much. It would be great if we could solve all world problems, but we can't.

Everyone can agree at the right reasons. Human slavery is up there. It is just that people do not want to take the trouble to uplift a people that do not have any reasorces we need at the moment.

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I totally agree, but I think, well, if we have to tangle ourselves in foriegn affairs, why don't we do it for the right reasons? (evil glance at warmongers)

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Discerning what or what is not the right reason is the reason we have Republicans and Democrats. Bush feels removing Suddam Hussein from power was a good decision. (In part, it was..but geez, could that have been handled a little better...)

What is "right" differs in society, especially in the self-serving world of politics.

I totally agree, but I think, well, if we have to tangle ourselves in foriegn affairs, why don't we do it for the right reasons? (evil glance at warmongers)

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[QUOTE] I have got to bust in here and defend Blank04. What he is saying is so true. I wish the government had a "love it or leave it" policy.

But if we are fighting for freedom, which we _appearantly_ are, why are we not in Liberia or the Sudan, or destroying human slavery in south asia?...

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As much as I agree with what was said, I have to go with George Washington on this one. Entangling ourselves in foreign affairs has got us nothing but trouble. I'm not saying that, as an affluent and privileged country, we should isolate ourselves from the rest of the world, oh no. But I think anyone who suggests we sweep in with our large cape and superpowers and liberate countries, should remember that we. Are. Hated.

They have good reason to hate us. But it would be a naive lie to say that if we help, for no benefit to ourselves, we will make friends. That's not how politics work. American-ideal decency be damned. If we go into these countries and claim to help them, somehow, some country is going to turn the philanthropy into a political agenda and thrust America into the toilet of world opinion once more.

You cannot shame the US for invading Iraq and claiming imperialism, and then go and say that we should spread our wealth elsewhere. (We should be somewhere else, helping another country that hates us! Yay!) I feel we should just wait until we are asked. Liberia wants our help, dandy. Let's help. But why isn't anyone asking France? Or Britain? We can't help but be seen as the "world's police" when we are constantly being told that we must aid other countries and other wealthy European nations get off scot-free.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in this board, I'm just saying in general.

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Sudan and Liberia did not.

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Yes they do. Terrorsits use areas civil unrest to make their bases. I do not doubt that there are long-term terrorist settlements in both these places. But isn't slavery a threat to the american idealism?!?

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It seems that if, as our great president says, we are in Iraq to "reinstate freedome," we should start at the places, and with the people, who are in most desparate need. (slaves in africa and the south east of asia)

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It is true that President Bush said that he wanted to reinstate freedom. But he also stated that freedom in Iraq is something that would make America safer. So, giving freedom to the Iraqis is not the only reason for this war. We are also fighting for long-term safety. If the only objective that America has by this war is to bring freedom to people, then you would have a point. But, Iraq had a dangerous and evil dictator who most definitely had the means to cause harm in the future. Sudan and Liberia did not.

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That is a reasonable question. Maybe we should try to liberate those countries at some point as well, but we are already too busy in Iraq that that is not an option at this point in time.

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It seems that if, as our great president says, we are in Iraq to "reinstate freedome," we should start at the places, and with the people, who are in most desparate need. (slaves in africa and the south east of asia)

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But if we are fighting for freedom, which we appearantly are, why are we not in Liberia or the Sudan, or destroying human slavery in south asia?

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That is a reasonable question. Maybe we should try to liberate those countries at some point as well, but we are already too busy in Iraq that that is not an option at this point in time. Just because America is not doing every single possible good in the world (which is impossible), does not mean that you should say that the good we have done in Iraq is wrong. Justice is not an all or nothing deal - there are certain degrees - so don't diminish the good that has been done.

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I have got to bust in here and defend Blank04. What he is saying is so true. I wish the government had a "love it or leave it" policy.

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The only reason it doesn't is because Bush knows all the intelligent people in the nation would be shipped off to Canada. Better pack gloves.

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Now when Clinton was in office, a man whom I despise, I still had my pride and respect for the US despite the fact that I disagreed with certain policies.

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YOu want a metal or a monument? I am just disgusted that so many people could be duped by a moron. I still love this nation. But if we are fighting for freedom, which we appearantly are, why are we not in Liberia or the Sudan, or destroying human slavery in south asia?...

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We don't sit in foreign nations and throw food at people which we don't agree with or sit there and scream and physically assault them. I have never been outside of this country. So, what kind of rude qualities do you mean?'''

sudha not sadha
am not talking about physically assualting ppl..all i am trying to get to here is that when u ppl come to our countries u basically feel very superior in the racist way adn show it off in a not very appealing fashion...

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#1. I am not a die hard supporter of Bush but I will say that Sharon is not killing Palestineans with the funds provide by President Bush. We are simply showing support to Israel, an Allie of this nation. Killing mass amounts of people can be seen under the leadership of Saddam Hussein, Yassar Arafat, and Adolf Hitler.

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Well I'm sure Israel is rich enough for the killing,if they want to.Supporting Sharon means supporting his actions,his extreme and provoking acts.I believe Sharon was guilty for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of refugees.I'm not saying the US has got anything to do with that,but it showed what kind of man the US government is supporting.Before calling anyone extremist,look at who you are standing by.

If the students you mentioned are to be blamed,let them be blamed for the violation.Judgements formed on the basis of their nationalities,intended or not,isn't any less tiring.

I find it amusing,when foreigners think negative of American,Americans define it as 'jealousy'.When foreigners actually go to America and make negative comments,there're Americans telling them to 'get out'.And Americans complaining about America are certainly called 'traitors'.In a word,nobody is allowed to say anything bad about the US...
And by the way,as far as I know,Americans in China complain,too.Everyone deserves the rights to dislike anything,wherever he is.

I'm American, what if I did what they did, where am I to go? This is the United States of America, Land of the FREE.

maybe you missed that part.


But I guess since you think killings kids is ok, you probably won't understand.

So based on this one example which sounds like it's eiher made up or grossly exaggerated, you're illustrating what exactly? Your ideal America-hating Arab/terrorist? Pathetic.

Where the hell did you hear about this? Screaming, throwing food, and saying they'd rather strap a bomb to their bodies than call themselves Americans? I've never encountered these people...so suck it up and deal with it you wuss, this is not at all a widespread problem, you're just complaining about it because you like the idea that American is "threatened" and we need to "protect" it by alienating anyone who isn't a hardcore republi-conservative patriot.

Just because someone doesn't share your exact political mindset does not mean they are anti-American, you *******.