Question:
do you think that alqueda members should have rights?

Choices:
yes
no

 

Bauhaus like i said if you want to argue about illegal immigration then start a thread about it.

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Originally posted by panterayall:
I say we deport the illegals, i dont care about the ones that are here legally. And i dont want all mexicans gassed.


and how did this turn into an illegal immigration argument?

How about we just put them on land set aside for them just like native americans, after all the west was Mexico.

I say we deport the illegals, i dont care about the ones that are here legally. And i dont want all mexicans gassed.


and how did this turn into an illegal immigration argument?

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Originally posted by panterayall:
if our leader ever decides to kill thousands of our citizens and murder us in the streets then i will help the people liberating us from that kind of leader.

You know saddam was killing the "mexicans" of his country, the people who YOU don't want here. Because they "steal" jobs and bring his country down.

if our leader ever decides to kill thousands of our citizens and murder us in the streets then i will help the people liberating us from that kind of leader.

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panterayall

If a group of countries decided to come together and "liberate" the US because we were wrong, I'm sure youd fight dirty too.

And you are not whilst laying bombs on the country and invading it?

Kinda contradicting...

they are commiting acts of terrorism in iraq, which makes them terrorists. Blowing up car side bombs while iraqis walk down the street are acts of terrorism. true they are not blwoing up our buildings but they are still commiting acts of terrorism.

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People were saying that we are violating the rights of the terrorists stated in the geneva convention and im merely telling people that the terrorists DONT have rights under the geneva convention.

They are not terrorists. If someone fights against you, that does not make them a terrorist. They are your enemies, yes, but not Osama-like terrorists.

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Its not physically hurting them

Um, WHAT?

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f those men are strong enough to be able to kill women and children without feeling remorse then they are strong enough to deal with a little sexual exploration.

That's not sexual exploration. Sexual exploration is wanting it, whatever the heck it is that you do. And killing is easier than it seems. Killing, for some, requires nothing emotional.

People were saying that we are violating the rights of the terrorists stated in the geneva convention and im merely telling people that the terrorists DONT have rights under the geneva convention. And i dont agree with torturing these guys for no reason. I dont think we should pull out fingernails or anything but that 7 man arab orgy in the prison i could care less about that. Its not physically hurting them. If those men are strong enough to be able to kill women and children without feeling remorse then they are strong enough to deal with a little sexual exploration.

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celtic how can you disagree with me when you are the one who says that Criminals in prison are being treated too nicely?

Because I do not predict the "high morals" of Americans, nor claim to free anyone or make this world a better place.

And please don't insult the Sadists.

It's not that I mean not to be harsh, because heck, you need to with these guys. But you have to draw the line between harshness and abuse.

Oh, and now humans need someone to confirm their basic human right of respect? That's insanity and prejudice at its best.

we are not torturing them just because we are sadistic *******s. When we need information they better give it to us or we are going to make them. thats what its all about, they had a chance to choose their life excuse me if i do not feel sorry for them. I kind of lost all sympathy for terrorists when it showed what was going on on 9/11 here and what was going on in arab countries. I was seeing people jump out of buildings people crying, i was in shock. And then over there in the "land of peace" they are holding massive celebrations, burning american flags. Well if it means saving american lives im all for it these people are absolute scum and there only purpose in life is to harm america. They are a threat to us and their own people. These are the people who are planting roadside bombs. Sure they kill one american soldier but if you listen to the news it always goes like this: "one american soldier and 27 iraqis were killed today when a road side bomb exploded". or something like "5 american soldiers, 3 iraqi police officers, and 39 iraqi civilians were killed today when a fire fight started in the middle of a crowded street". This is not because we are killing them its because these terrorists attack us in places where civilians walk around so we cannot shoot back, and if we do then they quickly grab a woman or child and throw them infront of the bullets. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT COVERED BY THE GENEVA CONVENTION they have no rights.

celtic how can you disagree with me when you are the one who says that Criminals in prison are being treated too nicely?

Look at how mature you are acting by torturing these prisoners.

You are the land that speaks of freedom, tolerance, acceptance. And how do you prove it? By taking PWO's, covering them in feces, and making them stay like that for a while.

It's like a child's play. "Oooh he doesn't like me so I'm going to burn his Teletubbie!"

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Originally posted by Brehon:
Having just seen the poll results, I am glad to see that America remains the land of tolerance and freedom. Lack of rights for people of a terrorist froup does seem a bit excessive. Calm down.

if you read the geneva convention it states that they have no rights. so infact we are doing nothing wrong here.

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Originally posted by bauhaus:
They hide behind women and children, and we hide behind guided missles billion dollar airplanes, and nightvision..... We still manage to blow up those women and children, so now they cant hide behind them.

I dont think jesus would have wanted us killing people.

I dont think jesus has a choice. And these people ATTACKED US FIRST. yes Iraq did attack us, buy funding terrorist orginizations, by providing finnancial backing for terrorist operations against the U.S. And we are not Targeting women and children The Insuregents and terrorist groups are killing more women and children then we are. We are the ones trying to protect them.


----if the shoe was on the other foot...it is people like you who would be beheading islamic hostages, setting off car bombs, it is a reaction from these poor people, not an action i endorse by any means, but an action that is easy to understand when nationalism burns in people like you with such fury---


The people setting off the roadside bombs are not nationalists. If they were dont you think they would care a little bit more about their own people. They are killing civilians everyday, The thing you Europeans dont understand is that the Iraqis want us there. The news is making the situation look like all iraqis hate us. The iraqis want democracy, the media also said that no one would show up for the polls but guess what. the lines went down across streets, and around buildings. And when their were bomb attacks the lines went away for half an hour, but then formed again. The iraqis want democracy they dont want to be subjugated to the unjust and hitler like enforcement of sadaam. If you were an iraqi would you like a dictator who murdered people in the street, forced citizens to serve in the military or they would be killed. shot women and children in the street, gassed the lower part of his country? no

yes but what Britain left was a legacy of great thinkers, civilisation and freedom across the globe....but a lot of opression and strife also. At least we did some good.

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Originally posted by Brehon:
You seem very sure that once America ceases to be the dominant economic power, it will remain at its current lofty and proud hieght.

Yep, that's pretty much right on the money.

what have they done to defend freedom? I DO agree the American GIs (most of them) on the ground, from WWI to Iraq believe they are making the world a better place and promoting freedom, but the motives of the US are not that simple. The wars in Korea and Vietnam were to protect an ideal...not freedom, because those which think similar to you are easier subdued and exploited.

I am not jealous of the USA, I join the world population in mocking this joke, coming from Britain I know what it is to come from a country with a history, full of glory prestige and also dispicible behaviour and errors which I am very sorry for. Learn to look at your country objectivley.

You seem very sure that once America ceases to be the dominant economic power, it will remain at its current lofty and proud hieght. May I remind you that the sun never set on the British Empire and now we are an outmoded and gerenally weakend power.