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Registered: January 01, 2003
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quote: Andrea Yates found not guilty by reason of insanity in children's deaths By Lisa Sweetingham Court TV HOUSTON — A Texas jury found that Andrea Yates was insane when she drowned her five children in a bathtub five years ago, and the panel acquitted her of capital murder in the deaths.
"She needs help," the jury foreman said at a post-verdict press briefing. "Although she's being treated, I think she's worse than she was before. I think she'll probably need treatment for the rest for her life."
The panel of six men and six women, who deliberated for about 13 hours over three days, rejected the state's theory that Yates knew her actions were wrong when she drowned Noah, 7, John, 5, Paul, 3, Luke, 2, and Mary, 6 months, one by one in the family bathtub on June 20, 2001. Yates was only charged in the deaths of Noah, John and Mary.
"It was very clear to us all that she did have psychosis, before, during and after," Todd Frank, 33, said on behalf of the panel.
Yates stared blankly at the jury while listening to the verdicts, but later hugged her attorneys and smiled slightly while speaking with members of her defense team.
The verdict is a life-changing turnaround for the 42-year-old former nurse who was originally sentenced to life in prison in 2002 after a jury found her guilty of capital murder. That decision was thrown out and Yates was granted a new trial by an appeals court due to the erroneous testimony of a prosecution medical expert.
When the verdict was read Wednesday, Yates' ex-husband and the father of her children, Russell "Rusty" Yates, cried and nodded his head. He and his mother, Dora Yates, and aunt, Fairy Caroland, wept together and tightly held hands.
Yates' mother, Karin Jutta-Kennedy, cried in the front row.
Outside court, Rusty Yates told reporters, "It's a miracle."
Yates escaped spending the rest of her life behind bars, but she will likely spend her life in a psychiatric ward. Yates will leave prison and be committed to a state mental hospital, where she will undergo continued treatment for an unspecified period of time. Her attorneys say it is highly unlikely she will ever be released, and her case will remain under court supervision.
"Five years ago, Andrea Yates called police to inform them of what she had done to her five children," prosecutor Joe Owmby said in a post-verdict statement. "It was no mystery then who ended their lives. We are extremely disappointed with the verdict."
"This case has always been about bringing justice for these children," co-prosecutor Kaylynn Williford said.
Rusty Yates, who was under a strict gag order during his ex-wife's trial, expressed his frustrations with the court and prosecutors after the verdict.
"Who are they really serving?" Yates said, explaining his feelings when he walked out of closing arguments Monday after prosecutors showed the jury crime scene photos of his dead children. "Do they think the children want Andrea to be in prison? Do they think we, her family on either side, want Andrea to be in prison? Is it of any public benefit for Andrea to be in prison? Is she a danger to anyone?"
"It's amazing to me," Rusty Yates said. "I'm so proud of the jury for seeing past that."
Foreman Frank spoke of his 6-month-old infant son at home, and said that he and his fellow jurors endured the most "emotionally and intellectually challenging" experience of their lives serving on Yates' trial.
"The first time I gave my son a bath after seeing those pictures, it was very hard," Frank said as he fought back tears.
Reconsidering insanity
In Texas, defendants who use insanity as a defense must prove that they were not only mentally ill, but that they did not know their actions were wrong at the time of the alleged crime.
Since the trial began one month ago, jurors have listened to testimony from investigators, medical experts and individuals close to Yates.
Officers who responded to the home after she called 911 testified that she appeared unemotional, unkempt and soaking wet as she calmly told police, "I killed my kids."
Yates' best friend testified that she was a sweet friend and loving mother, but after the birth of her fourth son, Luke, she turned into a "total zombie" who stared into space and couldn't finish sentences.
Jurors also heard about Yates' long history of mental illness. She twice attempted suicide, was diagnosed with recurrent postpartum depression and had been hospitalized several times for psychiatric care.
Yates' physician had gradually taken her off Haldol, an antipsychotic medication, just weeks before she killed her children. In his opening statements on June 26, defense attorney George Parnham posited to jurors that, if she had not been taken off Haldol, her children would still be alive.
Medical experts on both sides agreed that Yates was mentally ill, but prosecution experts said she knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the drownings.
Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Welner testified for the prosecution that Yates carried out an efficient and well-planned murder. She knew it was wrong, Welner theorized, as evidenced by the fact that she kept her homicidal plan private, and did not share the details of her psychoses until after the killings.
Prosecutors theorized that Yates drowned her children to escape the overwhelming stress of raising and home-schooling them.
Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Phillip Resnick testified that Yates believed deeply that killing her children was the right thing to do. Yates, according to defense expert Resnick, believed that Satan had taken over her body and soul and was eyeing her children's souls next.
Yates told Resnick and others who evaluated her in the weeks after her arrest that she believed that, if she killed her children while they were still innocent, they would be sent to heaven and she would have defeated Satan.
Yates turned herself in immediately after the drowning deaths, Resnick said, because she thought her own death would fulfill a Biblical prophecy: If she were executed, Satan would be executed.
Resnick diagnosed Yates with schizoaffective disorder, severe depression with schizophrenic symptoms.
The jurors in Yates' first trial deliberated for less than four hours to find her guilty. Yates did not understand that verdict and asked her attorneys what it meant.
That panel rejected the death penalty and recommended life in prison, which was where Yates was living when she was granted a new trial in January 2005.
The appeals decision turned on the testimony of the prosecution's medical expert, Dr. Park Dietz.
Dietz, a forensic psychiatrist, testified about an episode of "Law & Order" in which a woman got away with drowning her children in the bathtub by pleading insanity. Prosecutors suggested during her first trial that Yates watched the show and saw it as "a way out." But it was soon discovered that no such episode existed.
Dietz testified again at her new trial, and reiterated his contention that Yates knew her actions were wrong because Satan was the impetus. Dietz was barred from testifying about his erroneous testimony in the first trial.
During the current deliberations, jurors asked to see evidence related to Park, Dietz and Resnick's evaluations. The foreman told reporters they did not base their decision solely on the testimony of any one expert.
Many of the jurors, according to Frank, had personal experiences with family members who suffer from mental illness.
When asked if jurors had a message to send with their verdict, the foreman replied, "Don't let this happen again. Do what you've got to do with the legislation, with insurance companies. Don't let this happen again."
Ok, so it appears quite obvious that Andrea Yates was/is seriously disturbed but I just don't buy that she didn't know that murdering her children was wrong. She clearly knew that the crime was punishable by death because it was her intention to be executed for what she had done in hopes that Satan would also be killed. She willingly called the police and turned herself in. If she didn't know what she had done was wrong why would she feel she needed to be arrested? I know there is no way to know for certain what Yates' state of mind was and I'm not pretending to, but a not guilty verdict based on a "the devil made me do it" defense is just mind boggling to me. Any thoughts??
~Stop listening for mistakes in other peoples choice of words, instead of the meaning behind them.~
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Registered: December 18, 2005
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yeah, she's crazy.
i stand for love and peace!
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Registered: May 07, 2009
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I got a little carried away and emotional, i just don't understand how someone could bring those beautiful children into this ugly world then rip their young lives from their father, grandparents, and other relative... Something is not right there... I just wish that as a race we valued life more then we do... Life is too short... All apologies for being so vulgar..
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Registered: December 18, 2005
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why is it everyone acts so shocked when people kill their children? everyday in third world countries parents sell their children as sex slaves, kill them or abandon them. but no, this doesn't bother us because it's not happening on our soil; the minute it does everyone starts to freak out. i wish people could be less ignorant to the world they live in...
i stand for love and peace!
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Registered: May 10, 2009
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I've done a ton of research on this subject...the oldest child got away from her, and ran away. she chased him down and killed him...i highly doubt that she did not hear him pleading and screaming for his mommy to NOT kill him...she may be crazy but she is not deaf. and with that i think the husband needs a visectemy. i don't believe he should have anymore children.
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Registered: December 18, 2005
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Jesus christ. You should burn in hell for being such a douchebag. If she's nuts, she's nuts. Not much you can do about it. You flipping out on a message board isn't going help. Also, you call her crazy and then say 'she knew what she was doing.' Okay... because that makes perfect sense (being sarcastic) So you ever read the book of mice and men? of course not, I can tell right now you're a nincompoop. So would you blame Lenny the retarded person for killing someone and say that he should burn in hell and all this shit. I'm not saying what she did was good. But you're ridiculous if you think she shouldn't have been found guilty by insanity. Anyone who can drown not one not two but five of their children in a bathtub is clearly off their rocker. as are you. ^.^ have a great day!
i stand for love and peace!
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Registered: May 07, 2009
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SHE IS A TRAVISTY TO LIFE AND EVERYTHING THAT LIFE HAS TO DO WITH... I HOPE SHE BURNS IN HELL FOR THE THINGS THAT SHE DID..... AND HER HUSBAND IS JUST AS GUILTY, HE SHOULD BE CHARGED AS WELL... THAT FUCKIN LITTLE PUNK BITCH.... I HAVE THE CURE FOR A MENTAL ILLNESS LIKE THIS... IT'S CALLED THE DEATH PENALTY... THAT IS THE ULTIMATE CURE... AND FUCK THE JURY MEMBERS THAT FOUND HER GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY... THEY WILL ALL BURN IN HELL..
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Registered: May 07, 2009
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SHE IS A CRAZY STUPID BITCH WHO KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WHENHER LIFE SHOULD BE TAKEN SHE DID IT AND HER LIFE SHOULD BE TAKEN LIKE HER POOR LITTLE KIDS LIVES WERE TAKEN.... FUCK GOD AND FORGIVENESS... ANDREA YATES COMMITED THE ULTIMATE SIN... CASEY SATHER CASPER_4_BLK@YAHOO.COM
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Registered: September 29, 2008
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hi all well i read the book about her and before i read the book i was like damn i cant beleave she got away with murder but you got to be nuts to murder your kids i think she was in shane i wrote her a letter dont no if she will write back if she does then i will share the letter with you all got t0theyateskids.org i cryed when i saw it has all kinds of pics of the kids and some short home movies aundry voice is on the film she is the one taping it it sent shifers up my spin ok all for now
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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There are plenty of nuts in prison: I don't think they should make an exception for her. Many of the criminals who've committed crimes against children won't survive prison; half of the prisoners have children, and they don't tolerate child-murderers. I think the husband needs to be locked up. I believe he's just as guilty; but who cares? He's a happily married man now who can just make five more children! Whoop.
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
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Registered: November 29, 2003
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Clearing some things up: Myth #1: Not guilty by means of insanity means she "got off." FALSE! Insanity means she will spend the rest of her life at an insane asylum or hospital. If she ever is released, it will be to prison. Myth #2: Killing her would be cheaper. Double FALSE! In order to seek the death penalty, one needs to go through countless mandatory appeals. These cost more money than keeping her alive would.
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated," p.60, "1984," by George Orwell
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Registered: July 24, 2006
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the justice system is insane if she is not punished... and, while it is true that our taxes should not go to keeping scum like her alive, i think that pandora's suggestion of the death penalty is slightly harsh... although, now that i think about it... it really isn't THAT harsh, so never mind...
Please save this for me. I'll come back for you, love, I promise to.--Ludo
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Registered: January 01, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Frankly, I would give her life in jail. Why? Because the "demons" that made her do it would probably haunt her forever. And maybe she'll do us all a favor and commit suicide. This is one of the most horrific crimes ever and the fact that she is getting away with it makes me loose a lot respect and faith for the American justice system. It makes me think that any idiot could murder, pretend like they see demons and act insane, and get away with it.
To comment on the whole "the kids don't want in her in jail" crap, well, I think they do. Trust me, when your parents abuse you the distrust is thus heavy you loose any sense of giving a damn whether they live or die. And her husband should also get arrested, merely for defending his nutcase wife.
No kidding! I realize that her husband obviously cares for her a great deal but it really wouldn't matter who murdered my kids, there would be absolutely no mercy. And how can he say that she isn't a danger to anyone? Um, how about the five children who never got a real chance at life?? He needs a psychiatric evaluation ASAP, it is just outrageous that he can stand by and defend the woman who executed his children. He and his wife should live out the rest of their days in a cozy 8X8 concrete prison cell with a daily dose of crazy pills.
~Stop listening for mistakes in other peoples choice of words, instead of the meaning behind them.~
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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The fact that she is not guilty by reason of insanity, and that insanity caused her to drown five children, means that she is likely going to spend the rest of her pathetic life in the loony bin. She is clearly a danger to others, so they cannot bring her back into the general public. It's not likely for her to ever see the light of day again. Just wanted to get that fact in there...an insanity ruling is NOT the same as a flat-out "not guilty" ruling.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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Fuck life in prison. I don't want taxpayers money to help some chick stay alive after what she did. Poeple say then they can just suffer more. Kille her ass maybe then she'll get to hell faster and that would be her punishment. This is so messed up and we should really makeover our Justice System.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Oh, don't get me started. It's this fucking shit that pisses me off about the American justice system. It's so damn forgiving, some cunt can drown her children to death and she's innocent because of "insanity". She KNOWS she killed her children, and in my opinion, that is enough to make her not "insane" enough to make her innocent. It's not like she is a fucking braindead state where she can not know what she does, or has some sort of dementia where she gets so messed up she thinks her kids are somebody else. She KNOWS she killed HER KIDS. She was well aware that it was wrong! Frankly, I would give her life in jail. Why? Because the "demons" that made her do it would probably haunt her forever. And maybe she'll do us all a favor and commit suicide. This is one of the most horrific crimes ever and the fact that she is getting away with it makes me loose a lot respect and faith for the American justice system. It makes me think that any idiot could murder, pretend like they see demons and act insane, and get away with it. To comment on the whole "the kids don't want in her in jail" crap, well, I think they do. Trust me, when your parents abuse you the distrust is thus heavy you loose any sense of giving a damn whether they live or die. And her husband should also get arrested, merely for defending his nutcase wife. Sorry for the excessive cursing, this just pisses the living hell out of me. And because I know some forgiving teenager with too much time in his/her hands will think me an evil person for saying that, don't waste your time trying to change my opinion. I just don't bullshit.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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