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Registered: December 17, 2006
Posts: 33
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What are people's views on this guy. I've read some things about him and he seems revelutionary, the next JFK possibly!
What are your views on Obama?
Do you think it is the right time for a black president?
What do you think about the next presidency being between a woman (Hillary Clinton) and a black man, who's name brings up memories of America's two biggest enemies?
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Registered: February 27, 2003
Posts: 2217
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quote: Originally posted by Sphinx: I really liked Obama for a while because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, who wasn't a complete moron. I was happy that he wasn't ruling out communication between the US and its enemies, because seriously, what can a lack of negotiation lead to besides war? But now he's saying that, if elected, he won't negotiate with Hamas. That's just hypocrisy to me. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Palestine, and they need to be involved in any major talks. I know Palestine isn't really on most Americans' minds right now, but it's the root of most of the problems in the Middle East and I wanted a president who could get involved in a positive way. I don't think that's Obama. Then again, it's definitely not John McCain... so I'm still going to vote for Obama 
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that his original position was that he would negotiate with Hamas but then enough of the right people got upset with him that he modified that. I agree though, however much we may dislike their stance ignoring them won't solve a darn thing.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I'll be voting for Obama because he's a better choice than the other people out there. I kind of liked McCain for a while, but I've decided I don't want another Republican hawk for the next four years. I also find the Libertarian nominee (Bob Barr) distasteful. He's anti-abortion and even tried to ban Wicca from the armed forces. His crusade against medical marijuana isn't helping, either. Obama isn't perfect, but I'd rather have him than McCain. I'll find a way to deal with his problems later.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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I really liked Obama for a while because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, who wasn't a complete moron. I was happy that he wasn't ruling out communication between the US and its enemies, because seriously, what can a lack of negotiation lead to besides war? But now he's saying that, if elected, he won't negotiate with Hamas. That's just hypocrisy to me. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Palestine, and they need to be involved in any major talks. I know Palestine isn't really on most Americans' minds right now, but it's the root of most of the problems in the Middle East and I wanted a president who could get involved in a positive way. I don't think that's Obama. Then again, it's definitely not John McCain... so I'm still going to vote for Obama
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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Registered: August 02, 2007
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Personally, I think our country is ready for a black president or a woman...but I don't really know if Obama and Clintion are the ones to break us into the idea. I think all the candidates in this race are very flawed and if I were voting age, I really would not know who to vote for.
Be the best you~
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Registered: November 26, 2007
Posts: 11
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hillary really has exceptional experience. she was not just "some wife" of a former president.
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Registered: April 01, 2008
Posts: 1
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I think that having him as a president would be great!
I'm not much for politics (so maybe I can't really say) but he seems like exactly what the U.S. of A needs.
I'm black AND I'm a girl, so trying to decide who would be better is hard for me.
But somewhere in me (the political side, I guess) I know that Obama is...well, should be, our future prez.
Finally someone strong enough to stand up and say "I'm black AND I can run this country!"
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: Originally posted by JayKnow:
We're ready for a black president - I just hope his race doesn't influence any voters either way. Is he any good now that's a far more difficult question.
Nice wish but it won't happen. There are people who will vote for and against him because of his race. That is just the fact. There are people who will vote for and against Hillary because she is a woman, or McCain because he is old or a veteran. By the way, anyone car to explain to me how being the wife of a President automatically qualifies you to be President? I haven't figured it out. Whoever you are going to vote for, you have to agree that McCain is the best qualified of the three. That doesn't mean that he will be the best it only means he is better qualified. Qualification and experience may not be the best reason to vote for some one. I was a Romney supporter, but I still understood that McCain was better qualified.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: May 27, 2007
Posts: 12
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We're ready for a black president - I just hope his race doesn't influence any voters either way. Is he any good now that's a far more difficult question.
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Registered: March 02, 2007
Posts: 102
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Personally i feel like he is too inexperienced to become the next president. Hilary Clinton has had experience with foreign affairs and understands the job of the white house.
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Registered: December 17, 2007
Posts: 28
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I think both candidates are great Obama because of his vision and Hillary because of her experience. I just wish they would stop fighting one another.
When all is lost there's nothing to keep you from leaving and getting coffee.
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Registered: October 18, 2006
Posts: 17
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Initially I was more of a Hillary fan, I would have to say. Though I don't think I can dislike either of them (and it is fantastic to witness what will most likely be a historic race), I believe that Obama would be the best president.
Now as the election has progressed I've shifted more to liking Obama, especially after hearing his recent speech in response to his pastor. I think that the democratic party is extremely lucky to have two well-qualified candidates.
Though I don't know how revolutionary Obama is, or if he can be compared to any past presidents unless he is in office, but while watching the elections I have certainly gained more trust that he would be a phenomenal president.
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Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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quote: He has an excellent policy presentation. reading a paragraph to suppose the contents of 64 pages hardly a comparable ratio to 'ten people to suppose an eleventh'.
The "mini-plans" I was talking about are not the paragraphs on the webpage, but the multi-page PDFs he has. quote: Well I assumed you weren't being a childish contrarian. Why do you care about Obama speech contents?
Is this a serious question? I'm an independant libertarian, and Obama is a leading potential major-party candidate. That's why I care about his speech contents. Voicing my gripes about Obama in a thread ABOUT Obama (who's first question is "What are you views on Obama?") does not automatically make me a Hillary supporter. quote: You and Hitler.
Righto Godwin. Moving on, Hobbes was dead on in his descriptions of the state of nature, social contracts, and human nature in general. His solutions aren't the best, however.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
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Registered: June 06, 2004
Posts: 3373
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quote: If someone shakes 10 people's hands with thier right hand, which will they probably use on the 11th?
He has an excellent policy presentation. reading a paragraph to suppose the contents of 64 pages hardly a comparable ratio to 'ten people to suppose an eleventh'. quote:
Where did you pick up this idea that I think Hillary is a better candidate?
Well I assumed you weren't being a childish contrarian. Why do you care about Obama speech contents? quote: OMG I <3 Leviathan!
You and Hitler. Honorablecoalition.tripod.com Whereas;This message has hereby been proudly deemed racism and bigotry free by the Great and Honorable Coalition Against Racism. MMIV - Youthnoise's First Coalition.
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Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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quote: Originally posted by FreeMarketLover:
Until you read it, that is just ignorant nonsense.
No, it's making an informed supposition based on my previous experience. If someone shakes 10 people's hands with thier right hand, which will they probably use on the 11th? quote: You doubt that his policy positions could be adequately described in 64 pages but you think Hillary can do it in 20 second snippets? Baffling.
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I am going to support a candidate that nears to the categorical imperative more than one who nears to "The Prince".
Where did you pick up this idea that I think Hillary is a better candidate? quote: Ok, maybe "The Prince" isn't what you're going for, it's Leviathan.
OMG I <3 Leviathan!
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6040
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quote: Originally posted by Bushsupporter: quote: I still think I'm going to vote Libertarian, though.
Have fun throwing your vote away.
Ah, the misguided sentiment of someone who knows next to nothing about third parties. I do miss that. Consider it throwing away my vote if you want, but at least I'd be voting for someone who shares my opinions on the issues. There's nothing worse than voting for someone you dislike simply because you think you have no other options. I especially don't like Clinton or Obama, though I could stomach McCain. But if I find an independent or third party candidate I like better, I'll be voting for them. Seriously, though, if enough people vote for a third party, it's either going to win or be completely ignored. Either way, something is going to change. Third parties don't win because everyone thinks they can't win and therefore don't vote for them. The self-defeat there is blindingly obvious.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 06, 2004
Posts: 3373
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quote: And judging by the mini-plans I HAVE read on some issues, it's probably just as sparse.
Until you read it, that is just ignorant nonsense. quote: but I doubt an entire "Plan for America" could be adequately described in 64 pages.
You doubt that his policy positions could be adequately described in 64 pages but you think Hillary can do it in 20 second snippets? Baffling. quote: I seem to fundamentally disagree with his general outlook.
I am going to support a candidate that nears to the categorical imperative more than one who nears to "The Prince". quote: this country needs, it's a dose of realism.
Ok, maybe "The Prince" isn't what you're going for, it's Leviathan. Honorablecoalition.tripod.com Whereas;This message has hereby been proudly deemed racism and bigotry free by the Great and Honorable Coalition Against Racism. MMIV - Youthnoise's First Coalition.
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Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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quote: Originally posted by FreeMarketLover:
Have you read his 64 page "Plan for America"? It's a PDF link from his site.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to read the whole thing, but I doubt an entire "Plan for America" could be adequately described in 64 pages. And judging by the mini-plans I HAVE read on some issues, it's probably just as sparse. Perhaps as it gets closer to the election, I'll take the time, but I doubt I'll be impressed as I seem to fundamentally disagree with his general outlook. It's not blind hope this country needs, it's a dose of realism.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
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Registered: June 06, 2004
Posts: 3373
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quote: His website is only *slightly* more detailed than his speeches.
Have you read his 64 page "Plan for America"? It's a PDF link from his site. Honorablecoalition.tripod.com Whereas;This message has hereby been proudly deemed racism and bigotry free by the Great and Honorable Coalition Against Racism. MMIV - Youthnoise's First Coalition.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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quote: even on his website his plan for immigration reform doesn't go much beyond "We'll secure the border, reform the beraucracy, and provide 'hope for families'".
Great point, Doc.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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