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Registered: June 23, 2004
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quote: I'd rather clpo be elected instead
Well, clpo, you already have two supporters. Horselover and I... Good luck!
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: February 27, 2003
Posts: 2216
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quote: -What does every session of Congress begin with?
A prayer to our Heavenly Father.
-What do witnesses have to do in trials?
Place their hand on the Bible.
-What is the official hymn of the United States Military?
Battle Hymn of the Republic, which contains the lines, "In the beauties of the lillies, Christ was born across the sea/ with a glory in his bossom that transfigures you and me."
-What is the official hymn of the United States Navy?
-Eternal Father, Strong to Save, which contains the lines, "O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard/ and hushed their raging at Thy Word."
-What line was added to the Pledge of Allegience in the 1950s?
-"One nation, under God."
-Who does every soldier, sailor, airmen, or marine have to pledge allegience to when they join the military?
"...Uprightly and according to law. So help me God."
-What official government holiday falls on the first Thursday in May?
National Prayer Day
-In the Army & the Navy, who do military men have to serve besides America?
"...serving our Nation under God in peace as well as in war."
-Who do US government judges and attorneys have to swear allegience to when they take office?
"I do solemnly swear...so help me God."
-In the Uniform Code of Military Justice, what does the Prisoner of War clause contain?
"I will trust in God and the United States of America."
-Who must all governmental employees must take an oath of allegience to upon entering office?
"I, name, so help me God."
-What is contained in the Presidental speech for natural disasters?
"...enjoy the full and rich life they have with God's help bulit for themselves and their children..."
-What do legislators have to say in their oath of office?
"I so solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God..."
And your point is? Just because God is so rampant in our government does NOT make it right, get that through your head. Do I need to list all the times the majority was wrong? quote: There will never be a non Christian president because the American people want a leader with western religious morals, something an atheist (or Muslim) cannot deliever.
That's laughable. We haven't had a non Christian president because the majority of the country is Christian and, correct me if I'm wrong, we've never had a truely non Christian person run for president. However, I'm sure that if the right non Christian did run for president he could be elected. Once again, a person does NOT have to be Christian to have morals. I'm an atheist and I have better morals that a lot of Christians I know. If I was at all interested in government I would consider working up to running for president, but seeing as I'm a female atheist I'd be fighting two uphill battles...I'd rather clpo be elected instead.  Thank you for pointing that out NickJ.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: June 23, 2004
Posts: 771
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quote: If America is indeed a nation founded on aethist principles, who do we explain the prevelence of God throughout the temples of government?
Take the military for example, God is rampant there. When I was promoted last July, the ceremonial date (when read by the Executive Officer) read, "On this day, the 26th of July, in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2004."
I went through these in another forum, but they bear repeating.
-Why does the hymn of the United States Military contain the line, "In the beauty of the lillies, Christ was born across the sea. As He died to make men Holy, let us die to make men free."?
-Why is the hymn of the United States Navy titled, 'Eternal Father, Strong to Save'?
-When I joined the United States Naval Reserve Cadet Core, why did I have to take an oath to the United States as well as to God?
-Why does the Prisoner of War Code of Conduct instruct me to "Believe in my Government and the Lord"?
I could go on forever, but there is no doubt that America is a nation of believers (last years BusinessWeek's poll showed that 65% of Americans believe in Heaven & Hell), and our government reflects that.
First off, deist, not atheist. Seconly, I can't believe you on anything you said about the military because I find two items false. First I've been searching (because I used to be all about going into the military after high school, but for non-combat (but it seems that would not be possible anymore in this day and age)), but I've been searching for a military hymn because I wasn't aware there was one. I couldn't find it, either, so I don't think there is one that the U.S. adopted for the whole military. Secondly, the Naval hymn is "Achors Away!" so whatever you had is just plain false. This I am sure of. Sorry, but because of that I can't hold what you say to be true about the military...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: May 07, 2005
Posts: 1213
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13:
I plan on being the first non-Christian president just to spite the conservatives.
Then I'll fight ya every step of the way.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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I plan on being the first non-Christian president just to spite the conservatives.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 07, 2005
Posts: 1213
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quote: Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
The reason your government reflects that is because no one (not even Bush) is enough of an idiot to get into politics claiming to be a faith other than Catholic or Protestand.
And, God willing, it will stay that way.
myspace.com/thesnowfell
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Registered: January 22, 2005
Posts: 716
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Prayer should be kept out of schools. This is my firm belief. Not only because I disagree with it moraly but because I endure it every day. This is the foundation of religious persecution in schools. Don't allow it to happen.
Only simple and quiet words will ripen of themselves. For a whirlwind does not last a whole morning, nor does a sudden shower last the entire day.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
Posts: 9501
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quote: I could go on forever, but there is no doubt that America is a nation of believers (last years BusinessWeek's poll showed that 65% of Americans believe in Heaven & Hell), and our government reflects that.
Wow, dear, 65% really is not a lot in comparison to other countries who don't apply the prayer in schools thing. The reason your government reflects that is because no one (not even Bush) is enough of an idiot to get into politics claiming to be a faith other than Catholic or Protestand.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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Not atheist. Deist. And God is in the works due to the clergy. Have you not gone to that site that I told you of? Do some research, for God's sake.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 29, 2005
Posts: 216
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did you mean to say atheist principles? Our country wasn't founded on those either. And I'm sure our founding fathers wouldn't agree with all those religious, specifically Christian, references in our government. If it were just "God" I could understand, but you mentioned Jesus Christ a few times...I would like to know how all those references got in there and why they're still there. Meh, there are no atheists in foxholes i suppose. Plus if no one's complaining....
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Registered: May 07, 2005
Posts: 1213
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13:
That would be you and the rest of the religious conservatives on this site who've been trying to convince the rest of us that America was founded on Christianity.
If America is indeed a nation founded on aethist principles, who do we explain the prevelence of God throughout the temples of government? Take the military for example, God is rampant there. When I was promoted last July, the ceremonial date (when read by the Executive Officer) read, "On this day, the 26th of July, in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2004." I went through these in another forum, but they bear repeating. -Why does the hymn of the United States Military contain the line, "In the beauty of the lillies, Christ was born across the sea. As He died to make men Holy, let us die to make men free."? -Why is the hymn of the United States Navy titled, 'Eternal Father, Strong to Save'? -When I joined the United States Naval Reserve Cadet Core, why did I have to take an oath to the United States as well as to God? -Why does the Prisoner of War Code of Conduct instruct me to "Believe in my Government and the Lord"? I could go on forever, but there is no doubt that America is a nation of believers (last years BusinessWeek's poll showed that 65% of Americans believe in Heaven & Hell), and our government reflects that.
myspace.com/thesnowfell
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Registered: March 30, 2005
Posts: 3628
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Alrighty then. (How perky that sounded. Scary.)
"I imagine a lot of people tune in simply to watch reporters get bitch-slapped by Mother Nature, and frankly, who can blame them?� Anderson Cooper
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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I term myself agnostic deist, although universist works just as well.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: March 30, 2005
Posts: 3628
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Sorry, clpo. Aren't you the one that said you were a deist-something? I can't think of anything inteligent to say at the moment.
"I imagine a lot of people tune in simply to watch reporters get bitch-slapped by Mother Nature, and frankly, who can blame them?� Anderson Cooper
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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Greenleaf, Jefferson was a deist. He believed in God but not the scriptures, as did many of the founding fathers. Thus, when they mention the Creator in all the important American documents, they aren't talking about the "Bible God", rather the "Natural God". quote: Did I miss someone claiming America was a Christian Theocracy?
That would be you and the rest of the religious conservatives on this site who've been trying to convince the rest of us that America was founded on Christianity.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: March 30, 2005
Posts: 3628
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Saying that America was founded on Christianity is like saying cows were founded on butter. Exactly--that makes absolutely no sense. zzyzx, you are really cool and you make me happy. brooke and baber: Thomas Jefferson was a deist atheist, or something to that extent. Its amazing how he wrote important American documents (i.e. the Virginia Constitution, Kentucky Resolution, Declaration of Independence, etc.) without bursting into flame.
"I imagine a lot of people tune in simply to watch reporters get bitch-slapped by Mother Nature, and frankly, who can blame them?� Anderson Cooper
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Registered: May 07, 2005
Posts: 1213
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quote: Originally posted by zzyzx:
Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
My my my, would you look at that.
Did I miss someone claiming America was a Christian Theocracy?
myspace.com/thesnowfell
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Registered: December 11, 2003
Posts: 9501
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quote: Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
My my my, would you look at that
That made my day. Thank you.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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quote: “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
Nicely done, zzyzx.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: May 29, 2005
Posts: 216
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Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams. “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” My my my, would you look at that.
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