If you mean, who has greater potential to kill more Americans, Islamic terrorists. If you refer to who has more ability to disrupt democracy's security and my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Christian conservatives. Example- The Patriot Act.

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Who do you consider more dangerous to America; Islamic Terrorists or Christian Conservatives?

Terrorists will kill a few people here and there, but Christian Conservatives will ruin the country.

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Who do you consider more dangerous to America; Islamic Terrorists or Christian Conservatives?

Though this was not directed at me:
Christian COnservatives

My last post is adressed to reactionaryo5. Sorry for not being clear.

See, by your definition of democracy- a government that represents the "will of the majority" that "Muslim Theocracy" WOULD be a democracy. In addition to majority rule, a democracy must be guided by basic principles of freedom and federal ruling. (i.e. separation between church and state)That's fair. Otherwise, we'd have a state of chaos. Your democracy is closer to anarchy, which is not practical for 300 million people. The way our government represents the majority is not by having federal pollers knock on every citizens door for their opinion on every issue. What happens if 151 are pro and 149 are against a major issue, with complete disregard to the constitution? Civil war, that's what.

Also you say that you are against the persecution of minorities and here is a definition of persecution: Harrasment on the basis of race religion, or political opinion in one's country of origin. Prayer in the diverse classrooms that exist, could be considered a form of harrasment.

Besides pushing political or religious doctrines on children in schools ( who have been taught to follow directions and learn what they're told) being grossly unprofessional, it is brainwashing.

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The only thing that I have said is that the American should start acting like a democracy, and represent the will of the majority. That's what a democracy is, after all.

If the majority of Americans decided to kill all non-Christian Americans would you support it? Basically, that is what you are saying.

I don't really care if people pray in school, so long as it's not required. If my school ever becomes like the Air Force Academy is these days, I'd sue its buns off.

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I have distinctly opposed the presecution of minorities, but that is their only right. If they can fight to have their views accepted by the mainstream, then they have become the majority, and will have their views set down as guidelines for the nation.

That's funny, so much for your old signature "I hope Allah's wearing kevlar!"

You do know that the fastest growing religion in the world is Islam? It is closing in fast on Christianity. In the near future we could be a nearly Muslim dominated country.

As for me, I'm more worried about Islam terrorists, but Christian extremists are pretty close. Whether you want to admit it or not, if Christians keep pushing and pushing, some will become terrorists themselves. The KKK perform hate acts in "the name of the Lord." Is that enough evidence of how barbaric our society can be?

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Originally posted by liberalhugger:
Are you a member of the KKK?

That'd make it alot easier wouldn't it?

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Listen to your own logic:"White Christians are the only people with rights and The U.S. government must tout and 'white' and 'Christian' policy because they represent the majority of America".

Unless I am suffering premature alzheimers, I don't believe I have ever said that. The only thing that I have said is that the American should start acting like a democracy, and represent the will of the majority. That's what a democracy is, after all.

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Hmmm, whose going to decide what "white" and "Christian" is? Oh, I should've guessed- you! Besides, the majority (which you are so gung ho on)of Americans don't support the idea of a supremist nation.

You sure that most American don't want to live in a superior nation? What has brought out these inferiority complex, anyway? We're certainly not Canadian!

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They support one of "liberty and justice for all". Or don't you believe in the Pledge of Allegiance? Well, I don't either, but for different parts.

I said the Pledge in Church today, as it was. But thats besides the point. I believe in equal rights for all, special rights for none. Once again, you're putting words in my mouth. I have distinctly opposed the presecution of minorities, but that is their only right. If they can fight to have their views accepted by the mainstream, then they have become the majority, and will have their views set down as guidelines for the nation.

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About all of the mentions of God in various national fanfare and codes- they are old fashioned, cerimonial, and should be removed or be optional as well. The absense of religious terms do not not make our country atheist as you think. I am very supportive of your right to worship.Just not down my throat. That's where the gag reflex comes in.

When you travel to another country, do you try to engage in their native traditions, customs, and ceremonies? Do you try to learn as much about the natives from living among them, firsthand? Of course we would. But if we strip our government of our religion, we are stripping it of our culture. Our entire nation is imploding. The National Trinity, Borders Language & Culture, is dying.

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Now try to stretch your narrow mind to imagine this:

Its good to see that you have tolerance for ideas, just along as their liberal ones.

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You are a good Christian man living in a country where the majority of the people are Islamic, and you, as a Caucasion, are a minority again. For these reasons, you must listen to their daily prayers and swear in Allah's name. Even though your personal beliefs are very different, you have no rights. Suck it up, loser.

I don't need to imagine this, it happens every day in Lebanon.

liberalhugger: Who do you consider more dangerous to America; Islamic Terrorists or Christian Conservatives?

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Not fair!! Yous say, right? Right.

Of course it is not fair, but if I were living in that situation, and it was a democracy (which it couldn't be, considering its a Muslim Theocracy), I would not be one to try to stifle the majority in the name of "tolerance" and "understanding".

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Cheers and lots of love!

Yeah, I can definitely feel it.

That was good, liberalhugger. May I reinforce that just because you are majority does not make you automatically right. Look at our last election. All throughout history, it has proven that the minority is usually right. Or we could go back to slavery, colonies, and Britain. That would be fun. So let's keep progressing! Let's keep church and state seperate and not move backwards.

Dear Reactionary05,

Are you a member of the KKK? If so, I won't waste my time anymore, but please consider what I have to say. Listen to your own logic:"White Christians are the only people with rights and The U.S. government must tout and 'white' and 'Christian' policy because they represent the majority of America". Hmmm, whose going to decide what "white" and "Christian" is? Oh, I should've guessed- you! Besides, the majority (which you are so gung ho on)of Americans don't support the idea of a supremist nation. They support one of "liberty and justice for all". Or don't you believe in the Pledge of Allegiance? Well, I don't either, but for different parts.

About all of the mentions of God in various national fanfare and codes- they are old fashioned, cerimonial, and should be removed or be optional as well. The absense of religious terms do not not make our country atheist as you think. I am very supportive of your right to worship.Just not down my throat. That's where the gag reflex comes in.

If I have unintentionally represented your opinion falsely, I'd love to hear you clairify it for us.

Now try to stretch your narrow mind to imagine this:

You are a good Christian man living in a country where the majority of the people are Islamic, and you, as a Caucasion, are a minority again. For these reasons, you must listen to their daily prayers and swear in Allah's name. Even though your personal beliefs are very different, you have no rights. Suck it up, loser.

Not fair!! Yous say, right? Right.

One more thing, I would also strongly object to ANY denomination's prayer in public. Listen to Bluedemocrat, she's got the right idea.

Cheers and lots of love!

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These are all groundless accusations. Emotional opinions that cannot be backed up with facts have no place in a real debate.

So religion has no place in debate.

And it's true. You believe in God because you want to go to Heaven when you die, etc. It's a fear, a fear of the so-called God of love. If he truly was of love, no reason to fear.

Reactionary, I know there is religion in our government, but there should not be. The first colonists were minorites in England who were escaping religous persecution. This country should protect minorities not isolate them due to religion.

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Originally posted by Reactionary05:
Emotional opinions that cannot be backed up with facts have no place in a real debate.

And is not a religion and emotional opinion? Dear Mr. Bush must have used it a gazillion times in the presidential debates.

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There will never be a non Christian president because the American people want a leader with western religious morals, something an atheist (or Muslim) cannot deliever.

Thomas Jefferson was more of an agnostic than anything else. He also wrote of "Nature's God", which makes him a bit of a deist. Because of what you have said, he never said flat-out that he didn't hold Christianity as a ruling power in his life. He did, however, have good values and made a world of difference in our history without following a strict Christian standard.

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
-Your government won't take anyone in who is not a Christian. I'd like to see a Muslim President.

There will never be a non Christian president because the American people want a leader with western religious morals, something an atheist (or Muslim) cannot deliever.

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-The only reason "God" is even mentioned is fear. Not love, not trust, but fear.
- The concept of God will fade when people realize the blind stupidity of religion.

These are all groundless accusations. Emotional opinions that cannot be backed up with facts have no place in a real debate.

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The only reason "God" is even mentioned is fear. Not love, not trust, but fear.

True. God makes people feel safe. If you throw a "God" in there, you are saving yourself and making sure that if you die, God's on your side. Our government likes to scare people. If they're Christian and you make them swear in the name of God, they're pretty darn sure to do everything they can to tell the truth, do the right thing, etc. But, if they're truly a good person, it shouldn't matter whether God is in the government or not.

This is the fact of the matter:

-Your government won't take anyone in who is not a Christian. I'd like to see a Muslim President. George Bush will become a circus contortionist/fire breather and Al Sharpton will win Miss Universe before that happens.
-The only reason "God" is even mentioned is fear. Not love, not trust, but fear.
- The concept of God will fade when people realize the blind stupidity of religion.

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Originally posted by Horselover14:
Yes, we do "cling" to that, know why? Because we're right. Our national motto should NOT be "In God We Trust", we should NOT have "under God" in our pledge, and we should NOT have "In God We Trust" on our money. It goes against the Constitution. Period. It's just that nobody's taken it to court yet.

If you're going to get God out of the temples of the American government, you're going to have to work alot harder.

-What does every session of Congress begin with?
A prayer to our Heavenly Father.
-What do witnesses have to do in trials?
Place their hand on the Bible.
-What is the official hymn of the United States Military?
Battle Hymn of the Republic, which contains the lines, "In the beauties of the lillies, Christ was born across the sea/ with a glory in his bossom that transfigures you and me."
-What is the official hymn of the United States Navy?
-Eternal Father, Strong to Save, which contains the lines, "O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard/ and hushed their raging at Thy Word."
-What line was added to the Pledge of Allegience in the 1950s?
-"One nation, under God."
-Who does every soldier, sailor, airmen, or marine have to pledge allegience to when they join the military?
"...Uprightly and according to law. So help me God."
-What official government holiday falls on the first Thursday in May?
National Prayer Day
-In the Army & the Navy, who do military men have to serve besides America?
"...serving our Nation under God in peace as well as in war."
-Who do US government judges and attorneys have to swear allegience to when they take office?
"I do solemnly swear...so help me God."
-In the Uniform Code of Military Justice, what does the Prisoner of War clause contain?
"I will trust in God and the United States of America."
-Who must all governmental employees must take an oath of allegience to upon entering office?
"I, name, so help me God."
-What is contained in the Presidental speech for natural disasters?
"...enjoy the full and rich life they have with God's help bulit for themselves and their children..."
-What do legislators have to say in their oath of office?
"I so solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God..."

The fact of the matter is that no matter how hard you people try, you will never get God out of the United States Government.


Amen.

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what kind of school do you go to? Because I have never heard of a public school taking an hour or two dedicated to prayer unless it was like National Prayer Day or something of that sort...

I've been on a private religious school for 6 years, then went to a non-religions school that still prayed for thus long.

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I want to be the first to ask, that since the majority of Americans are Christian, and we live in a democracy, why should we care if other students are offended? American culture is white Christian culture, and if they're going to live here, they had better accept it.

Because unless you join a private religious school, the word God should not fall into school.

And, alas, dear, the minorities are near surprassing the amount of white people. In a decade or two the only white people remaining are toothless, incest practicing, banjo playing hicks.

You have no culture. Face it, your nation is the most culturally diverse on the planet, even the white groups alone don't come from just one country. To think that the US has only one culture is believing the galaxy has only one planet. It's ignorant and unrealistic.

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Once again, we are talking about America where very few people are Muslim or Wiccan. Besides, I'd rather die than be one of those witches or have to wear an A-rab bedsheet.

I'd rather die than be ignorant, but ignorant people still exist, so I have to live with it. Same thing for you.

No one, of any religion/faith/philosophy, should be allowed to make the education system (unless the place is an educational religious institution) religious. It's inconsiderate, highly rude, and annoying. And God never helps you get in college anyways.