IF u are muslim pray to Allah in the morning at school, if u are Jewish, pray to God in the morning at school, christian, the same, etc. Schools should have "A moment of silence" to pray for whatever your religion is.

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.... but well, it is always a nice thing if we pray.

Nice for who, jam_18? For the Christians? What about everyone else?

I dont have anything really to say since this is an old board, but you need to remember that not only Christians pray. All religions pray to something, whether it be God or a statue. So dont just say prayer is good for Christians and not other religions...

I'm an atheist and I totally think that prayer should not be read over the intercom in school, unless it is a religious school of course. You could never read a prayer for all the religions and even if you did what about us atheists?! So, I think that a moment of silence before class starts is an excellent idea. And I think that Congress has no right whatsoever to decide on this, that's the state's job. Now then....

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Yeah, honestly I can say that we need prayer in public schools, and yes the Country we live in was founded on Christianity. Take a look at a dollar bill ("In God We Trust"), there's also the pledge of allegiance (don't even get me started on that). Also if you look at everything that God stands for (The ten commandments make a great example), you will see that it can only do good. I mean take the ten commandments away and what do you have: You should steal, You should lie, you should committ adultery, you should murder, not honor they neighbor, etc. I understand that many different religions exist it the public school system, but we have to listen to them. No one is stopping Atheists from voicing their opinions, but the moment that a Christian mentions God, they get in trouble. Look at science classes now days, all they teach is evolution, not creation. Evolution has been proven false by many scientists. In fact, Darwin even said that it was all fake, he just wanted to get a rise out of people, and teach them to question things.

Oh PLEASE RockFaerie... evolution has been proved many times buy different scientists, name me one NON-CHRISTIAN scientist who found it wrong. And as for the "In God We Trust" on our money, I think it stinks. And the Ten Commandments are good sure but guess what, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God, am I going to go out and steal, murder, etc.? No, because I have values, proving once and for all that you don't have to be Christian to have values.

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Okay, The "god" in the pledge was added during the Red Scare to prevent the spread of communism. It had nothing to do with the US being a christian country or it being founded on Christian beliefs. What do mean atheists get in trouble when a christian mentions god? Darwin never said evolution was fake. You really need to check your source. What is your proof for creationism? There is plenty of proof for evolution. How can you disregard DNA similarities, the fossil record, homologous structures (just to name a few)? The fact is that all respected scientists accept evolution.

Thank you bluedemocrat.

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.... but well, it is always a nice thing if we pray.

Nice for who, jam_18? For the Christians? What about everyone else? If you want to pray go ahead, be my guest, I've got nothing wrong with it...just don't force me to.

They can force you to pray. It is all religions, but each religion prays differnetly. Therefore, a prayer over the intercom couldn't accomodate every relgion. Plus there are those who are not religious. Leave the praying for home. School is secular.

okay, I just did more research on Prayer in Schools, and y'all are right - they do talk about open prayer. However, you can not call it "forced prayer" because a teacher/administrator cant force you to bow your head, lead prayer, or even force you to participate. So yes, y'all are right about it being open prayer but do not call it "forced prayer".
And also, the whole thing about Prayer in Schools isnt just Christian prayer. It includes all religions - Buddism, Jewish, and yes, Christianity (and also every other religion, I just cant include them all.) Dont assume just because it talks about praying, its only Christian prayer.

Ilovebush, you are wrong. Prayer in school always refers to prayer read over the intercom, aka "forced prayer". Not letting students pray if they wish. You are taking it the wrong way completely.

yes, I understand what the board was started as. But as you keep reading, people are talking that "prayer in schools" is forced prayer - which is isnt. I just dont want people to take it the wrong way...

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Y'all are taking this "prayer in schools" the wrong way. All the gov't wants to do is make it legal to let students pray, and not get punished for it. They're not going to make a time in the school day to pray, and they cant make you pray against your will. With prayer in school, you are able to pray to whoever you want to (God, Budda, shoes...who/whatever youre choosing). Y'all are making this is issue into something its not...

No, you're mistaken. Read the author's original post again. They're discussing whether or not to leave it up to the schools to have a held prayer session---not just a moment of silence.

I think a moment of silence is fine. It gives people a chance to basically do whatever they want with it. But an actual prayer, said over the intercom or by the teacher or whatever is wrong---no matter what type of religious prayer it is (be it Christian, Muslim, etc.). That is forcing someone to participate in a specific religion whether they wish to or not. And that is wrong.

Besides, we've already got religious clubs at school and, where I live, we usually have student led prayer before events (the band prays before we march, I know a bunch of sports teams pray together before a game, etc.). So required in-school prayer is redundant. For those who want to participate in a religious activity with a group of their peers, they can join a club.

I was punkz, but dont worry about it - no probelm..

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Originally posted by punkz13:
as long as there is algebra, there will be prayer in schools.

wow...that was poetic.

i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. but if you aren't, thank you.

i thinkl prayer in schools is a big issue these days. i think that they should not force it on us and i think they should let us do it if we want. i agree with you ilovebush. they arent forcing anything on us.

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Originally posted by Banshee:
besides what kind of prayer are we talking about here? Christan rayer ? Muslim prayer? Would the stundents geta choice ? i think not so no prayer should stay out of school

Y'all are taking this "prayer in schools" the wrong way. All the gov't wants to do is make it legal to let students pray, and not get punished for it. They're not going to make a time in the school day to pray, and they cant make you pray against your will. With prayer in school, you are able to pray to whoever you want to (God, Budda, shoes...who/whatever youre choosing). Y'all are making this is issue into something its not...

besides what kind of prayer are we talking about here? Christan rayer ? Muslim prayer? Would the stundents geta choice ? i think not so no prayer should stay out of school

I live in Arizona. Arizona has some of the worse funding (not to mention test scores ) in the union from what i have seen of my states action toward its educational system i wouldn't want to leave this sort of decsion up to the local yocals

It's the state's right to set up a school system. It should be the state's right to decide what goes on in that particular school system. But it doesn't really matter what the court says unless it is being enforced.

bauhaus, dont start with how the Bible (my lord...captilize!) supposedly lies. Theres already a thread about that and this isnt the place to start spouting off about things that arent true...

Prayer should stay out of schools the way truth stays out of the bible.

I don't think that public schools should have a specific time set aside just for prayer. If any student or teacher wishes to pray, they should be free to do so as long as it is not interfering with their work and they are not being disruptive.

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Originally posted by punkz13:
as long as there is algebra, there will be prayer in schools.

wow...that was poetic.

as long as there is algebra, there will be prayer in schools.