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Registered: July 09, 2004
Posts: 91
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we didn't say that the schools should require the students to pray but i think the students should be allowed to pray if they want
"..If we prayed ...then maybe kids in school could pray and unborn children see light of day."- Casting Crowns
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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quote: but well, it is always a nice thing if we pray
But seriously, what about the atheists and the Hindus and the Buhddists? If I ever have children, I would take it to the law if they were forced to pray. This is totally peposterous. quote: I think so too..
Well, you are not in our public school system, so you would not reap anything from it. What wold you do if the government forced you to pray to Alah? And I demand an answer, not to be a bitoch, but I really want you to think about it. This is going backward. Two steps forward, twenty back. This is just like what happened in Europe during the middle ages. This entire idea is peposterous
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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quote: but well, it is always a nice thing if we pray
But seriously, what about the atheists and the Hindus and the Buhddists? If I ever have children, I would take it to the law if they were forced to pray. This is totally peposterous. quote: I think so too..
Well, you are not in our public school system, so you would not reap anything from it. What wold you do if the government forced you to pray to Alah? And I demand an answer, not to be a bitoch, but I really want you to think about it. This is going backward. Two steps forward, twenty back. This is just like what happened in Europe during the middle ages.
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: December 16, 2004
Posts: 751
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quote: I think that having prayer in schools is cool.
I think so too..  |
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Registered: December 16, 2004
Posts: 751
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quote: I think the only timein which students should pray at schools is if it's a religious school.
yeah, mostly.... but well, it is always a nice thing if we pray. |
Registered: October 06, 2004
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quote: if the power to require public schools to hold prayer
What do you mean by "require?" I would set myself on fire in front of the whitehouse if they ever did anything like that. Nothing like a smoldering corpse on the front lawn to get the point across. Whatever would the neighbors on Pennsilvania avenue think?
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: July 09, 2004
Posts: 91
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if a child wants to pray it should be his choice, but if the child doesn't want to it should not be forced upon him. this country was founded on Christianity, most of the europeans that came here were in search of religious freedom. my point is that if a child is a christian he should be able to show it by praying if he wants.
"..If we prayed ...then maybe kids in school could pray and unborn children see light of day."- Casting Crowns
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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No, they weren't "rebels" and they were classically liberal i guess but not modern liberal. And this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian influence. "We are endowed by our creator..."
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: June 27, 2004
Posts: 210
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rockfaerie- what do you mean this country was founded on christianity? no it wasn't! it was founded by rebel and very liberal people called patriots. their religion is completely irrelevant.
i would say more about the creationism, aethist thing but it looks like it's already been covered.
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Registered: June 04, 2004
Posts: 3535
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the debate is over whether or not kids are allowed to pray not "should the kids be forced to pray?" this is against the separtaion of church and state you liberals invoke so often. if this need s explanation just ask...dinner calls.
Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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Registered: December 13, 2004
Posts: 94
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My objections to RockFaerie are a bit different than simply his grossly innacurate 'facts.' I do not dissagree with anything that God or Christianity stand for, but I don't believe that Christians have any right to force prayer on those in public school. There is no law and there will almost definitely never BE a law that BANS prayer in schools. That's not what this is about. We would not be saying that Christians are wrong or liers by not requiring prayer, we'd simply be saying that non-Christians ALSO aren't necessarily wrong and liers. Nobody would get in trouble for praying, just as noone should get in trouble for NOT praying. Secondly, RockFaerie isn't correct when he says quote: No one is stopping Atheists from voicing their opinions, but the moment that a Christian mentions God, they get in trouble. Look at science classes now days, all they teach is evolution, not creation.
Fist off, it would be impossible for a SCIENCE class to teach creationism... secondly, there are public schools in Georgia, Kansas, and Ohio that teach creation as an alternative to evolution. As for no one stopping athiests from speaking... well, if we forced them to pray, we would be, wouldn't we?
"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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quote: Originally posted by RockFaerie:
Yeah, honestly I can say that we need prayer in public schools, and yes the Country we live in was founded on Christianity. Take a look at a dollar bill ("In God We Trust"), there's also the pledge of allegiance (don't even get me started on that). Also if you look at everything that God stands for (The ten commandments make a great example), you will see that it can only do good. I mean take the ten commandments away and what do you have: You should steal, You should lie, you should committ adultery, you should murder, not honor they neighbor, etc. I understand that many different religions exist it the public school system, but we have to listen to them. No one is stopping Atheists from voicing their opinions, but the moment that a Christian mentions God, they get in trouble. Look at science classes now days, all they teach is evolution, not creation. Evolution has been proven false by many scientists. In fact, Darwin even said that it was all fake, he just wanted to get a rise out of people, and teach them to question things.
Okay, The "god" in the pledge was added during the Red Scare to prevent the spread of communism. It had nothing to do with the US being a christian country or it being founded on Christian beliefs. What do mean atheists get in trouble when a christian mentions god? Darwin never said evolution was fake. You really need to check your source. What is your proof for creationism? There is plenty of proof for evolution. How can you disregard DNA similarities, the fossil record, homologous structures (just to name a few)? The fact is that all respected scientists accept evolution.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 399
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I think the power to decide should lie with the states since they have control of creating and regulating public schools. I do not think that prayer should be required in school (as in it shouldn't be said over the intercom.) However, I find nothing wrong with a moment of silence so that students can pray if they want to. I also think all faith-based clubs should be allowed.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
Posts: 9501
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I think the only timein which students should pray at schools is if it's a religious school.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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The country was founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation, I would not personally vote to allow prayer to be said over the intercom, I do think that it is a state issue. A prayer in the begining of a football game is ok, but prayer everyday in the morning at school is not something I would support.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: June 22, 2004
Posts: 2341
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I think that having prayer in schools is cool. I am mean if you want to pray you can and if you don't than that's alright too. It's your choice. You know you do have a choice and no one is forcing you to pray or not to pray. Do what you feel like doing.
I have not yet reached my goal, and I am not perfect. But Christ has taken hold of me. So I keep on running and struggling to take hold of the prize. My friends, I don't feel that I have already arrived. But I forget what is behind, and I struggle for wha
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Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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I agree with bluedemocrat. I like the idea of a moment of silence. Everyone can act according to their beliefs and be respected.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind
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Registered: December 16, 2004
Posts: 751
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quote: I don't see what the harm is if an individual person or group wants to pray.
I agree.. I think prayer is a VERY powerful tool. |
Registered: August 17, 2001
Posts: 5801
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quote: yes the Country we live in was founded on Christianity.
May I see proof? Even by saying 'God' can be construed as any religion with a higher power. In the preamble to the Constitution it says: 'Creator' and the 'Under God' part of the pledge was added in the 1950's during the red scare. quote: Evolution has been proven false by many scientists. In fact, Darwin even said that it was all fake, he just wanted to get a rise out of people, and teach them to question things.
Source? Honestly? If you wanna pray, go ahead and do it. Just don't force me to. I've prayed in school before, and I know other people have. As long as you're not forcing someone to do something against their will, or force a negative psychological impact on anyone, I really don't think anyone will care.
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Registered: November 30, 2004
Posts: 4514
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I don't see what the harm is if an individual person or group wants to pray. It isn't hurting anyone and nobody has to do it if they don't want to. People shouldn't have to hide their religion because it may offend people. Our forefathers based our country on religion because they were proud of it and wanted a nation full of people that would as well be proud of their religion. If someone doesn't believe in God then thats fine, it's their choice but why make things change when it is just harmless words that shouldn't be offensive to them. I do however think that by taking God out of the pledge of allegiance is offensive because it's basically like saying that the people that believe in God are liars and that a country shouldn't be founded on that. It is stupid in my opinion.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
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