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Registered: December 14, 2005
Posts: 204
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quote: DAVID IRVING, the far-right British historian, sat stunned and open-mouthed yesterday when an Austrian court found him guilty of denying the Holocaust and sentenced him to three years in jail.
“I’m very shocked and I’m going to appeal,” Irving, 67, said as he was bundled out of the Vienna courtroom by armed anti-riot police.
From the public gallery a British supporter shouted “Stay strong, David”, before he too was led away.
But in Britain there was dismay at a verdict that could turn Irving into a right-wing martyr.
Irving had pleaded guilty to denying the Holocaust in two speeches in Austria in 1989. He was arrested when he re-entered the country, where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust, last November, and had been in custody since.
During his seven-hour trial yesterday Irving sought to convince the jury that he had changed his mind and now acknowledged the murder of six million Jews by the Nazis.
“I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz,” he told the court.
But the judge and jury were unswayed. One hundred and fifty-eight people have been convicted of Holocaust denial in Austria between 1999 and 2004, but only a handful other than Irving have been imprisoned.
Lord Janner of Braunstone, chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust, was pleased by the conviction.
He said: “It sends a clear message to the world that we must not tolerate the denial of the mass murderers of the Holocaust. The Nazis tried to wipe out an entire people . . . We must learn the lessons of the past to build a decent society for the future.”
The verdict came amid a furious debate in Europe over freedom of expression, with many defending the media’s right to publish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. The Arabic television station al-Jazeera broadcast the verdict to its Islamic audience.
Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, was recently acquitted of making speeches inciting racial hatred. Abu Hamza, the radical Islamic cleric, was sentenced last week to seven years in prison for inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder.
In Britain there was alarm at the sentence. “Anyone who denies the Holocaust is off their rocker,” Gerald Howarth, Tory MP for Aldershot, said. “But to send a man to prison for three years for something that he said sixteen years ago and has since changed his view — what are we coming to?”
Anthony Beevor, the military historian, said: “However nauseating, these people should be confronted in debate rather than chucked into jail and turned into martyrs.” The verdict will end for good the career of a man banned from a dozen countries from Canada to South Africa for belittling the murder of the Jews and glorifying Hitler.
In 2000 Irving was forced into bankruptcy when he unsuccessfully sued Deborah Lipstadt, an American academic who had called him a Holocaust denier. He was ordered to pay £3 million in legal costs and had to sell his Mayfair home.
She said yesterday: “He should have been met by the sound of one hand clapping. The one thing he deserves, he really deserves, is obscurity.”
Haha, they're about as bad as Hitler for sentencing him.
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Registered: October 26, 2005
Posts: 47
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Hm... Well he is a moron for denying the holocast. Thats a big insult to many people. Hes a shitty historian. He doesnt sound like a nice man to me. Although...jailing him? I don't really think he should have been jailed...myabe a good salp in the face with a wet fish and a few history lessons, but not 3 years jail. O.o
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Registered: November 29, 2003
Posts: 1910
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I'm sure he was perfectly well-aware of its criminality when he went into Austria, and he did it anyway. You do the crime, you do the time. I can understand the freedom of speech implications here, but obviously Austria has a different view. It was their country, with their rules.
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated," p.60, "1984," by George Orwell
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13981
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It's a big deal in places where the holocaust occured (Austria/Germany) they pretty much have a guilt about the whole thing as a nation and as such want to make sure that some thing of the same vein never happens again. so when someone says it never happened it's a serious offense. and Germany and Austria along with other European nations don't have exactly the smae notion of free speech as America does.
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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I think that the guy shouldn't have been jailed, but honestly I don't care. He's an anti-semite. I'm not a fan of his type. The un-biased part of me, though, thinks this is wrong.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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I can't believe you can be arrested for denying the holocaust. So he's a crappy historian, that doesn't make him a felon. What happened to the crazy-defending of free speech?
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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