With Primary Season here and in full force, I was wondering what the YouthNoise community was thinking in terms of who they would vote for.

Of course, your vote is private, but if you want to discuss your vote, go right ahead.

Ah, well, when notsojoey said "the rest of the college aged youth group doesn't vote", it sure sounded as if he meant that. I'm sure you can understand the misunderstanding here.

No one ever meant that they don't That would be a very stupid thing to say. We meant that they never vote in the numbers were are promised, and they just can't ever make it happen, not even in the year of Obama.

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Bushsupporter:
I speak with facts

Right, because experience doesn't count as fact...

And when did you go from "the youth voters...don't vote" to "the number of youth voting...is average"?

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Originally posted by clpo13:

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Bushsupporter:
No, clpo, the youth voters says they are going to vote for candidate A and then don't vote.

Again, no youth vote at all? Isn't that a bit like saying that no evangelical Christians ever vote for Democrats?

I speak from experience. The participation at the caucus location nearest to my university was overwhelming, and the majority of people attending were college students.

But of course, most of them just had to be there for the free coffee and muffins.

Well, I speak with facts and I can tell you that the number of youth voting this primary season is average with usuall primary elections.

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Bushsupporter:
No, clpo, the youth voters says they are going to vote for candidate A and then don't vote.

Again, no youth vote at all? Isn't that a bit like saying that no evangelical Christians ever vote for Democrats?

I speak from experience. The participation at the caucus location nearest to my university was overwhelming, and the majority of people attending were college students.

But of course, most of them just had to be there for the free coffee and muffins.

Either way it represents an electoral unreliability.

The youth vote is still formidable, but it could be dominant.

It's more reliable in nomination season because of caucusing.

Youth are sometimes more likely to understand how, when and where to caucus. Old people often vote by absentee, which cannot be done in a caucus.

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Of course probably 90-95% of the "youth" that intend to vote do end up voting

I would think more like 70%, but I have no facts to support that.

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Even with the amount of kids that show up to Obama rallies

Unfortunately, it's true. There's just the harsh reality that college kids party and sleep in. Maybe they have to work later and end up not voting. Of course probably 90-95% of the "youth" that intend to vote do end up voting, but with 99.9% of old people voting, and electoral votes being decided by a few thousand votes here and there, the youth vote can't be thought of as a reliable voting block at present.

No, clpo, the youth voters says they are going to vote for candidate A and then don't vote.

It is silly to argue about absentee or anything else. Every election MTV tells us the youth are going to impact things and every year they don't.

Even with the amount of kids that show up to Obama rallies, the porportion pf the youth vote in actual primaries is the same as usual.

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Mostly I think the criticism is that young voters don't show up at the polls.

Does that take into account the youth that vote absentee?

Mostly I think the criticism is that young voters don't show up at the polls.

Probably true. Young adults are more likely to say they'll vote for Candidate A when they're actually planning on voting for Candidate B due to image concerns and what not. For instance, it's more socially acceptable to support Obama, but I know a lot of people who prefer Clinton, though they'd never outwardly admit it.

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I know for a fact that college students are quite vocal about voting.

Although I know that BS is just marginalizing a group that is often in vocal opposition to his views, it must be said that political operatives widely accept that young voters don't follow through in the polls. Old people on the other hand are very reliable and vote diligently.

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notsojoey:
the rest of the college aged youth group doesn't vote.

You know this to be a fact? No college-aged people anywhere in the United States vote? Quite the generalization to make when I know for a fact that college students are quite vocal about voting. And then there's the fact that I'll be 20 when I vote in the upcoming election...if that's not college-aged, I don't know what your criteria are.

Also, FML is saying that the members of YN are, on the whole, more liberal. This doesn't mean that the forums have a liberal bias because forums can't have a bias. Saying YN has a liberal bias is like saying your email account has a liberal bias because you keep getting emails from liberals. It's simply a vehicle by which people transmit their ideas.

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I am challenging your statement that YN has a bias, not that the majority of YNers are liberal. I believe bias is an improper nomenclature to describe what your are attempting.

Ok, Oh Mighty Wordsmith, you are correct. Everyone on here is a lib.

I would also like to point out that I am constantly harrassed by mods for my views, but no bias here.

I don't respond to people who I know to actually be Joey Dauben.

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And I don't respond to notsojoey.

Good call not responding to things that make sense, that would contrary to your jiberish. Thoughts?

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I see you disagree that YN is predominantly liberal.

"Holland is predominantly liberal" does not equal "Holland has a liberal bias"

"YN is predominantly liberal" does not equal "YN has a liberal bias"

I am challenging your statement that YN has a bias, not that the majority of YNers are liberal. I believe bias is an improper nomenclature to describe what your are attempting.

Apparently you misunderstood my last post, which you replyed to. Please re-read it and respond accordingly.