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Registered: February 27, 2003
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quote: MSNBC News Services Updated: 25 minutes ago NEW YORK - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the nation’s first city to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants — from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries. The board, which passed the ban unanimously, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of their foods by July 2008. But restaurant industry representatives called the ban burdensome and unnecessary. “We don’t think that a municipal health agency has any business banning a product the Food and Drug Administration has already approved,” said Dan Fleshler, a spokesman for the National Restaurant Association. Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether. The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer’s original packaging. Chains must list calories Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat. The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains. Sheila Weiss, director of nutritional policy for the restaurant association, said the rule would be a disincentive for restaurants to provide any nutritional information. Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix. The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a monthly weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim. He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets. “Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers — I love those things, too,” he said recently. “But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that.” Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels. Continued.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Tobacco production has been around for the past 400 years. Anti-smoking sentiment has been around for just as long, starting with King James I of England, who wrote in 1604 of how he thought smoking tobacco was a sin against God. In the 1950s, it was proven that there was a close link between smoking tobacco and lung cancer. Research in the 1960s backed that up and linked smoking with other diseases. So, if people have hated smoking for 400 years and known that it's bad for at least 50 years, why hasn't the industry already disappeared? People still smoke, despite the scientific evidence proving it's harmful effects. There are people who will always smoke because they believe that it reduces stress and relaxes them. So long as there are people to sell to, the industry will exist. And the government's not going to help take it down, either, considering how much money it makes off of tobacco taxes. It may, in time, disappear, but not for a very, very long time. Also, I'd like to prove this wrong: quote: its been proven that cigarettes has nothing to do with addiction but routine
I honestly don't know where you got this. It is an addiction. Tobacco naturally contains nicotine, which is one of the most addictive substances known to man. According to Wikipedia, "All means of consuming tobacco result in the absorption of nicotine in varying amounts into the user's bloodstream, and over time the development of tolerance and dependence." It is addiction, which is why it's so hard to quit smoking, especially if you're a long-time smoker.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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A small group of people on their own of course can't battle against something as big as the tabacco industry, but as it is already being proven it will soon die out.
People have and are beginning to realise the horrific affect of cigarettes on their bodies and their environment and people around them, most smokers I know are doing it because they "cant" stop, now I know that's not true because its been proven that cigarettes has nothing to do with addiction but routine however, the point is why would they want to stop in the first place?
They know its wrong, and they know its wrong because a small group of people somewhere researched about cigarette sticks, and came to realise how ridiculously unhealthy it is, not to mention life threatening, then they started to promote it, people began to agree and join in, and eventually the word has spread, and slowly but surely over the next hundreds of years the tabacco industry WILL die out.
No huge industry is gonna die out tomorrow but unless you have a literally soundproof product, the huge industry will turn into a big industry, then a not so big industry, then a small industry, and eventually they will not be able to afford to be an industry at all.
That is fact.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by VeganCath:
Smokers put peoples lives in jeaopardy in public places,
Simply by getting out of bed in the morning, your life is put in jeopardy by millions of things. You could fall out of bed and die, set yourself on fire in the kitchen, get bitten by a disease-carrying mosquito, get struck by lightning, die in a car accident, choke on a doughnut, get shot, or simply just die for no apparent reason. So does this mean you should never get out of bed again? Of course not. Bedbugs could get you. Anyways, public places are the only places people can smoke where the risk for other people is very insignificant. You may not like that they smoke (heck, neither do I), but it's their choice, just as it's your choice not to smoke. The likelihood of you dying from second-hand smoke simply by walking by a group of smokers is very, very small. quote: Neither the meat industry or the tabacco is too big.
Were you reading? You can't do it by legislation, so how would you propose taking down a multibillion dollar industry? They've got money enough to throw at the problem, so I really can't imagine a small group of people doing anything much.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: Not many people care that much.
Read: No one but your close personal friends
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: They are respectfull and do not smoke around me
Thats nice of them. Not many people care that much.
draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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I dont feel as though I need to justify this point, Smokers put peoples lives in jeaopardy in public places, I'm not telling strangers to go some place else I only ever ask my friends nicely if they could take that elsewhere. They are respectfull and do not smoke around me, I guess thats the kind of relationship we have.
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: i do not see why I should go elsewhere.
Because you don't like it! Pedestrians have the right away but that doesn't mean I am going to walk into a street anytime I feel like it.
draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow: quote: I think it would be more than polite if the smoker would take his murderous stick elsewhere.
In your opinion. The the smokers opinion it would be more polite of you to go somewhere else. You could always avoid this by avoiding places where people smoke.
I dont go to pubs and bars and places where people smoke. Like I said however, i am not the one who is putting peoples life in jeopardy i do not see why I should go elsewhere. |
Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: I think it would be more than polite if the smoker would take his murderous stick elsewhere.
In your opinion. The the smokers opinion it would be more polite of you to go somewhere else. You could always avoid this by avoiding places where people smoke.
draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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Considering the cigarette smoke is unhealthy and second hand smoke can cause cancer, I think it would be more than polite if the smoker would take his murderous stick elsewhere.
LTR, they are entitled to do it as much as I am entitled to tell them to shove off, but I'm not killing anyone and they are.
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: they are not entitled to do so in my company because it disgusts
They are entitled to do it where ever they like. If you are the one with the problem YOU should leave. The earth revolves around the sun, not you.
draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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It's great that you live the way you do Cath. Honestly it's nice to hear about people like that. but speaking for the rest of the world you and the other self-rightous SOBs like you need to go fuck off. If I or one of the people your advising wants to have a beer or smoke a cig we will and having made our choice that's the end of it. It's great that you made a good choice for you but that doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to do it to.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by ampmaster: quote: do you want to watch people die of cancer for moneys sake
it's all personal choice. It's almost impossible to not know what smoking does to you but yet people still smoke. It's that whole freedom thing we've got. If I want to drink myself to death I am allowed to do so with no problem what so ever, as long as I don't screw up any one else in the process
Let me know of one alcoholic who has not screwed up anyone else in the process. Because my family have a history of alcoholics, so pardon my personal relationship with this arguement, but it has affected us all. I do not blame them, I blame the addiction, the routine and the advertisement and peer pressure in the first place. I live by a straight edge philosophy, i also promote this to all of my peers, i do not promote the freedom to let them drink or smoke, they are not entitled to do so in my company because it disgusts me and those of my friends who have taken my advice and to follow a straight edge lifestyle themselves find it much fuller and happier. |
Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: do you want to watch people die of cancer for moneys sake
it's all personal choice. It's almost impossible to not know what smoking does to you but yet people still smoke. It's that whole freedom thing we've got. If I want to drink myself to death I am allowed to do so with no problem what so ever, as long as I don't screw up any one else in the process
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13:
Not true. The tobacco industry is to big to take down. I hate to sound defeatist here, but there are enough pro-smoking lobbyists in Washington, D.C. to block almost any legislation harmful to the industry they represent.
Incidentally, the same goes for the meat industry. Both industries have money. And everyone knows that politicians always have a price.
I fight for reform and revolution. Neither the meat industry or the tabacco is too big. It's a difficult struggle as anything, or are you defeatist and do you want to watch people die of cancer for moneys sake? (im referring to the tabacco companies in that statement btw) think about it |
Registered: November 05, 2004
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Not true. The tobacco industry is to big to take down. I hate to sound defeatist here, but there are enough pro-smoking lobbyists in Washington, D.C. to block almost any legislation harmful to the industry they represent. Incidentally, the same goes for the meat industry. Both industries have money. And everyone knows that politicians always have a price.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 14, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by Horselover14: quote: Originally posted by notneo: quote: Cigarette anyone?
I think thats just too big an industry for anybody to ban completely .
Heck yeah, it makes way to much money.
No industry too big. |
Registered: February 27, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by notneo: quote: Cigarette anyone?
I think thats just too big an industry for anybody to ban completely .
Heck yeah, it makes way to much money.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: December 03, 2006
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quote: Cigarette anyone?
I think thats just too big an industry for anybody to ban completely .
To save the environment , plant a bush back in Texas.
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