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Registered: December 17, 2006
Posts: 33
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What are people's views on this guy. I've read some things about him and he seems revelutionary, the next JFK possibly!
What are your views on Obama?
Do you think it is the right time for a black president?
What do you think about the next presidency being between a woman (Hillary Clinton) and a black man, who's name brings up memories of America's two biggest enemies?
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Registered: December 27, 2008
Posts: 25
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quote: Originally posted by Hoopdawg08: quote: Originally posted by Wolfie:
So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.
I didn't say it was just because she is a woman, I said that was a small part of it. Do you seriously think that by electing Hillarey we could have changed the views of an entire section of the world that for thousands of years has had their women walk ten steps behind them? No, they would just lose even more respect for our country and it would just give them another reason to attack us. I'm all for a woman president, but now is not the time. I don't think it would help us end either of our wars, simply because their retarded views on life mean that no one with a vagina is good enough to lead a home or business, let alone a nation...
Well, a bunch of rednecks where I used to grow up think a black is incapable of reading, much less running a nation. How is that unifying our country? Just using your logic.
Be careful what you think, Be Careful what you say. It might be used against you in court one day. Well, Anna thinks she's a hawk, She's just a snitch.-Against Me!
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Registered: December 27, 2008
Posts: 25
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I personally don't think Obama was the best we could do, but he was the lesser of two evils. But I didn't think McCain was an evil guy either. He just didnt share my views. But I hope to Stephen Colbert that Obama changes something or else we are freaking screwed.
Be careful what you think, Be Careful what you say. It might be used against you in court one day. Well, Anna thinks she's a hawk, She's just a snitch.-Against Me!
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Registered: November 30, 2007
Posts: 129
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Time could, maybe, it hasn't yet, but you never know...
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little." -George Carlin
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Registered: December 18, 2005
Posts: 515
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There is no way anything in the known universe can change all those people. lol
-toodles
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Registered: November 30, 2007
Posts: 129
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quote: Originally posted by Wolfie:
So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.
I didn't say it was just because she is a woman, I said that was a small part of it. Do you seriously think that by electing Hillarey we could have changed the views of an entire section of the world that for thousands of years has had their women walk ten steps behind them? No, they would just lose even more respect for our country and it would just give them another reason to attack us. I'm all for a woman president, but now is not the time. I don't think it would help us end either of our wars, simply because their retarded views on life mean that no one with a vagina is good enough to lead a home or business, let alone a nation...
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little." -George Carlin
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Registered: December 18, 2005
Posts: 515
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i'm so glad that obama is here to save us. i love barack HUSSEIN obama i think it's really funny that people flipped out over his name. if a child is named adolf does that make him hitler? come on people you have a brain, try to use it.
-toodles
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Registered: July 22, 2008
Posts: 52
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Meagan87, I didn't say "just anyone", I said "anyone" Their's a subtle difference. America already proved it could elect "just anyone" when we elected Bush. That is, just anyone average guy with money. I probably should have said "anyone who has the brains and integrety, regardless of background." That's what I've been told as a kid, and that is what makes America great. That the best qualified person can get it, no matter what prejudices they may have faced. Get it right next time, ok?
"of coarse this is happening inside of your head,Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it isn't real?"- Albus Dumbledore
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Registered: December 18, 2005
Posts: 515
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So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.
-toodles
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Registered: November 30, 2007
Posts: 129
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quote: Originally posted by de0omnibus0dubitandum:
is anybody else pissed that Obama was chosen over Hillary?
I'm not, I never really liked her or her policies. This is definately a little sexist, but I do not think that we should have a female president while at war with in a country where women recieve no respect. They resent the rights we have now, why would they listen when we have a woman in charge? As soon as Obama ends the war and brings our soldiers home safe, I'm all for Clinton in 2012. But just to resolve the issue: !!!Clinton in 2012!!!
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little." -George Carlin
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Registered: November 30, 2007
Posts: 129
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meagan87: [QUOTE] Yes, but is that really what we want? A country where we elect just anyone to the highest office in the country (and, in turn, the world)? QUOTE] Exactly, we want every citizen to have the opportunity to become president, we ARE the government. The only stipulation is that this "every citizen" has to be able to actually do it. I'm not saying let's go pick some guy off the street, I'm saying that every American has the right to try. That's why anyone can run, why we have all kinds of third party candidates. Every American has the right to try to become qualified enough to be president.
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little." -George Carlin
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Registered: May 29, 2008
Posts: 19
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is anybody else pissed that Obama was chosen over Hillary? because, this is my personal opinion, but i think she would be a far better leader than Barack. he doesn't have nearly as much experience as Hillary, and she just seems to handle herself better. but i guess it's over for her, unless, of course, he brings her in under him when he becomes president....
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Registered: December 18, 2005
Posts: 515
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Omg Someguy. Way to post like seconds before me on the same topic.
-toodles
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Registered: December 18, 2005
Posts: 515
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How is Obama "just anyone?" Is everyone saying this because he is half black? Why can't we just acknowledge that he is simply an educated democrat running for presidency just as McCain is an educated republican running for presidency... Oh yes I forgot we have double standards...
-toodles
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Registered: April 21, 2008
Posts: 54
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"just anyone" sounds a lot more like Palin than Obama.
Dont tell me Obama is a nobody because you dont become a Senator just like that, unlike a governer. Also being a senator means you vote on and discuss and are involved in bigger issues than a governer. It means you have dealt with national issues and more importantly international issues.
Dont undermine Obama. I'll give you a good reason for it. Obama was willing to negotiate to Hamas. That proves that he is not another puppet. That proves he can think for himself. It proves that he is not ignorant. It proves that he knows what the solutions are, and he will seek him.
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Registered: May 07, 2003
Posts: 7586
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quote: If Barack Obama is elected president, then for the first time in American history, what they've been telling me since I was a kid will come true. America really will be a place where anyone can grow up to be president.
Yes, but is that really what we want? A country where we elect just anyone to the highest office in the country (and, in turn, the world)? [/devils advocacy]
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: July 22, 2008
Posts: 52
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If Barack Obama is elected president, then for the first time in American history, what they've been telling me since I was a kid will come true. America really will be a place where anyone can grow up to be president. And not just because of his mixed race or unique background. Obama's inspired people in a way I've never seen any politician do. Yeah, he's not perfect, but he's definitely a step above most other politicans, which must mean something. And he's way better then McCain, who is a war hawk and, even though he use to stand for something, has turned into a Bush croonie.
"of coarse this is happening inside of your head,Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it isn't real?"- Albus Dumbledore
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Registered: February 27, 2003
Posts: 2217
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quote: Originally posted by Sphinx: I really liked Obama for a while because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, who wasn't a complete moron. I was happy that he wasn't ruling out communication between the US and its enemies, because seriously, what can a lack of negotiation lead to besides war? But now he's saying that, if elected, he won't negotiate with Hamas. That's just hypocrisy to me. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Palestine, and they need to be involved in any major talks. I know Palestine isn't really on most Americans' minds right now, but it's the root of most of the problems in the Middle East and I wanted a president who could get involved in a positive way. I don't think that's Obama. Then again, it's definitely not John McCain... so I'm still going to vote for Obama 
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that his original position was that he would negotiate with Hamas but then enough of the right people got upset with him that he modified that. I agree though, however much we may dislike their stance ignoring them won't solve a darn thing.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6058
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I'll be voting for Obama because he's a better choice than the other people out there. I kind of liked McCain for a while, but I've decided I don't want another Republican hawk for the next four years. I also find the Libertarian nominee (Bob Barr) distasteful. He's anti-abortion and even tried to ban Wicca from the armed forces. His crusade against medical marijuana isn't helping, either. Obama isn't perfect, but I'd rather have him than McCain. I'll find a way to deal with his problems later.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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I really liked Obama for a while because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, who wasn't a complete moron. I was happy that he wasn't ruling out communication between the US and its enemies, because seriously, what can a lack of negotiation lead to besides war? But now he's saying that, if elected, he won't negotiate with Hamas. That's just hypocrisy to me. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Palestine, and they need to be involved in any major talks. I know Palestine isn't really on most Americans' minds right now, but it's the root of most of the problems in the Middle East and I wanted a president who could get involved in a positive way. I don't think that's Obama. Then again, it's definitely not John McCain... so I'm still going to vote for Obama
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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