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Originally posted by alixx:
Well, a bunch of rednecks where I used to grow up think a black is incapable of reading, much less running a nation.
How is that unifying our country?


Just using your logic.

We aren't at war with those rednecks.
Those rednecks aren't going to hijack planes and crash them into buildings because they disagree.
Those rednecks had a vote.
Those rednecks hate Obama because they are racist, not because their god tells them he is an 'infidel.'

My logic is "if we want some kind of peaceful resolution to the war in Iraq, then how about we wait until after we've taken care of whatever 'terrorists' are plotting our destruction before we elect a woman to the highest office in our country.'

Like I said in an earlier post, they already dislike the way we live, they bombed us for it because we are heretical infidels. How do we resolve that conflict? I've got it! Let's elect a woman to be our president! That oughtta get 'em off our backs!

And, again as I've said before, that wasn't the only reason I didn't vote for her. I just happened to agree with more of what Obama said than what she said.

you make no sense.

so what was it about obama that you didn't like?

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Originally posted by Hoopdawg08:

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.

I didn't say it was just because she is a woman, I said that was a small part of it.
Do you seriously think that by electing Hillarey we could have changed the views of an entire section of the world that for thousands of years has had their women walk ten steps behind them? No, they would just lose even more respect for our country and it would just give them another reason to attack us.

I'm all for a woman president, but now is not the time. I don't think it would help us end either of our wars, simply because their retarded views on life mean that no one with a vagina is good enough to lead a home or business, let alone a nation...

Well, a bunch of rednecks where I used to grow up think a black is incapable of reading, much less running a nation.
How is that unifying our country?


Just using your logic.

I personally don't think Obama was the best we could do, but he was the lesser of two evils. But I didn't think McCain was an evil guy either. He just didnt share my views.
But I hope to Stephen Colbert that Obama changes something or else we are freaking screwed.

Time could, maybe, it hasn't yet, but you never know...

There is no way anything in the known universe can change all those people. lol

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.

I didn't say it was just because she is a woman, I said that was a small part of it.
Do you seriously think that by electing Hillarey we could have changed the views of an entire section of the world that for thousands of years has had their women walk ten steps behind them? No, they would just lose even more respect for our country and it would just give them another reason to attack us.

I'm all for a woman president, but now is not the time. I don't think it would help us end either of our wars, simply because their retarded views on life mean that no one with a vagina is good enough to lead a home or business, let alone a nation...

i'm so glad that obama is here to save us. i love barack HUSSEIN obama

i think it's really funny that people flipped out over his name. if a child is named adolf does that make him hitler? come on people you have a brain, try to use it.

Meagan87, I didn't say "just anyone", I said "anyone" Their's a subtle difference. America already proved it could elect "just anyone" when we elected Bush. That is, just anyone average guy with money.
I probably should have said "anyone who has the brains and integrety, regardless of background." That's what I've been told as a kid, and that is what makes America great. That the best qualified person can get it, no matter what prejudices they may have faced. Get it right next time, ok?

So you think the way to change how people feel about women in this country is to put down a decent potential candidate because she is a woman... Way to progress.

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Originally posted by de0omnibus0dubitandum:
is anybody else pissed that Obama was chosen over Hillary?

I'm not, I never really liked her or her policies. This is definately a little sexist, but I do not think that we should have a female president while at war with in a country where women recieve no respect. They resent the rights we have now, why would they listen when we have a woman in charge?

As soon as Obama ends the war and brings our soldiers home safe, I'm all for Clinton in 2012.

But just to resolve the issue:
!!!Clinton in 2012!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meagan87:
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Yes, but is that really what we want? A country where we elect just anyone to the highest office in the country (and, in turn, the world)?
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Exactly, we want every citizen to have the opportunity to become president, we ARE the government. The only stipulation is that this "every citizen" has to be able to actually do it.

I'm not saying let's go pick some guy off the street, I'm saying that every American has the right to try. That's why anyone can run, why we have all kinds of third party candidates. Every American has the right to try to become qualified enough to be president.

is anybody else pissed that Obama was chosen over Hillary? because, this is my personal opinion, but i think she would be a far better leader than Barack. he doesn't have nearly as much experience as Hillary, and she just seems to handle herself better. but i guess it's over for her, unless, of course, he brings her in under him when he becomes president....

Omg Someguy. Way to post like seconds before me on the same topic.

How is Obama "just anyone?" Is everyone saying this because he is half black? Why can't we just acknowledge that he is simply an educated democrat running for presidency just as McCain is an educated republican running for presidency... Oh yes I forgot we have double standards...

"just anyone" sounds a lot more like Palin than Obama.

Dont tell me Obama is a nobody because you dont become a Senator just like that, unlike a governer. Also being a senator means you vote on and discuss and are involved in bigger issues than a governer. It means you have dealt with national issues and more importantly international issues.

Dont undermine Obama. I'll give you a good reason for it. Obama was willing to negotiate to Hamas. That proves that he is not another puppet. That proves he can think for himself. It proves that he is not ignorant. It proves that he knows what the solutions are, and he will seek him.

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If Barack Obama is elected president, then for the first time in American history, what they've been telling me since I was a kid will come true. America really will be a place where anyone can grow up to be president.

Yes, but is that really what we want? A country where we elect just anyone to the highest office in the country (and, in turn, the world)?

[/devils advocacy]

If Barack Obama is elected president, then for the first time in American history, what they've been telling me since I was a kid will come true. America really will be a place where anyone can grow up to be president. And not just because of his mixed race or unique background. Obama's inspired people in a way I've never seen any politician do. Yeah, he's not perfect, but he's definitely a step above most other politicans, which must mean something. And he's way better then McCain, who is a war hawk and, even though he use to stand for something, has turned into a Bush croonie.

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Originally posted by Sphinx:
I really liked Obama for a while because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy, who wasn't a complete moron. I was happy that he wasn't ruling out communication between the US and its enemies, because seriously, what can a lack of negotiation lead to besides war? But now he's saying that, if elected, he won't negotiate with Hamas. That's just hypocrisy to me. Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Palestine, and they need to be involved in any major talks. I know Palestine isn't really on most Americans' minds right now, but it's the root of most of the problems in the Middle East and I wanted a president who could get involved in a positive way. I don't think that's Obama.

Then again, it's definitely not John McCain... so I'm still going to vote for Obama

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that his original position was that he would negotiate with Hamas but then enough of the right people got upset with him that he modified that. I agree though, however much we may dislike their stance ignoring them won't solve a darn thing.

I'll be voting for Obama because he's a better choice than the other people out there. I kind of liked McCain for a while, but I've decided I don't want another Republican hawk for the next four years. I also find the Libertarian nominee (Bob Barr) distasteful. He's anti-abortion and even tried to ban Wicca from the armed forces. His crusade against medical marijuana isn't helping, either.

Obama isn't perfect, but I'd rather have him than McCain. I'll find a way to deal with his problems later.