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Registered: November 29, 2003
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"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated," p.60, "1984," by George Orwell
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: And BS: thanks for providing sources. However, I think I see the disagreement we're having. You're making the generalization that pit bulls are, as a breed, more aggressive. But the way you're saying it makes it seem as if you think every single pit bull is aggressive. I agree with the former and disagree with the latter. Certain breeds are more inclined to violence, but not every representative of a given breed acts a certain way.
Of course, it would be impossible to claim that every pit bull is agressive. I am sure there are many who go their whole lives without a violent incident. I do claim, as you said, that pit bulls as a whole are more agressive by nature, and my sources show that. You may be able to get away with owning a pit bull and have no problems, but the liability of owning one is something I find outwieghs the benefits.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by notsojoey: quote: I could say that dirt tastes like chocolate, but no one's going to believe me if I don't have a peer-reviewed source backing that up.
This is absurd. If you say choclate tastes like dirt not one will ask for a peer-reviewed source because you will already be labeled as an idiot. Bushsupporters argument is not even comparable to the argument that dirt taste likes chocolate.
*sigh* It was not meant as a serious comparison. Clearly, it was used to illustrate importance of sources. You must have missed that part. And BS: thanks for providing sources. However, I think I see the disagreement we're having. You're making the generalization that pit bulls are, as a breed, more aggressive. But the way you're saying it makes it seem as if you think every single pit bull is aggressive. I agree with the former and disagree with the latter. Certain breeds are more inclined to violence, but not every representative of a given breed acts a certain way.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 31, 2004
Posts: 429
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quote: I could say that dirt tastes like chocolate, but no one's going to believe me if I don't have a peer-reviewed source backing that up.
This is absurd. If you say choclate tastes like dirt not one will ask for a peer-reviewed source because you will already be labeled as an idiot. Bushsupporters argument is not even comparable to the argument that dirt taste likes chocolate.
"I call them like I see them any my visision is always 20/20" - notsojoey
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13: quote: Bushsupporter:
I guess you just aren't willing to admit that pit bulls have something inside of them that makes them more apt to violence than other dogs. I find it sad that you guys won't recognize that, but, oh well.
It might help your cause if you provided proof instead of just saying that they're more violent. I could say that dirt tastes like chocolate, but no one's going to believe me if I don't have a peer-reviewed source backing that up.
These first two links are news articles by a San Fransisco paper: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/06/BAG0C7H3811.DTLhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/23/MNGRODDH561.DTL"Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all.": http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdfA good source for cited info: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.htmlAnother good study by the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdfI would point out that I am not supporting any legislative action in this response, only supporting my claim that some breeds have a proclivity to violent and unpredictable behavior. I really cannot beleive that people actually think that there is no difference between breeds in terms of instinct, violence, and danger posed.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6040
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quote: Bushsupporter:
I guess you just aren't willing to admit that pit bulls have something inside of them that makes them more apt to violence than other dogs. I find it sad that you guys won't recognize that, but, oh well.
It might help your cause if you provided proof instead of just saying that they're more violent. I could say that dirt tastes like chocolate, but no one's going to believe me if I don't have a peer-reviewed source backing that up.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 31, 2004
Posts: 429
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I heard that in the past, the government has considered forcing all seeing dog to be pitt bulls, and not retrievers.
"I call them like I see them any my visision is always 20/20" - notsojoey
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: Originally posted by Pisces27:
There animals, some dogs are just more volatile then others. Is aggressive behavior more common to certain breeds? It might be, but its the owner's choice. Honestly, I believe that pit bulls can be violent. I also believe golden retrievers, pugs, Great Danes, and bull dogs can be too.
You're right. I forgot about about all of the fatal and near fatal pug and golden retriever attacks that happen. My fault for pointing you down the wrong path. I guess you just aren't willing to admit that pit bulls have something inside of them that makes them more apt to violence than other dogs. I find it sad that you guys won't recognize that, but, oh well.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: February 25, 2008
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There animals, some dogs are just more volatile then others. Is aggressive behavior more common to certain breeds? It might be, but its the owner's choice. Honestly, I believe that pit bulls can be violent. I also believe golden retrievers, pugs, Great Danes, and bull dogs can be too.
Never take life seriously. Nobody makes it out alive anyway.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6040
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quote: Bushsupporter:
One day they are sleeping and playing, and the next they have eaten your kids face off.
This is something that could involve any breed of dog. It's not pit bull specific. And for the record, the family I know with the pit bull earns more money than my family. And we're not what you'd call poor.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13: quote: Bushsupporter:
Pit bulls are mean and vicious. You can claim that it is just how they are raised but the stats don't lie.
Ooh, statistics. 78% of statistics are bunk. I know a person with a pit bull, and it's less aggressive than my shih tzu. Experience doesn't lie.
Sigh... Don't you realize that it has nothing to do with the aggresiveness of the dog. No one would put an overly aggressive dog in a home with children. Pit bulls are simply unpredictable. One day they are sleeping and playing, and the next they have eaten your kids face off. If you want a pit bull, fine, but don't come running to me saying, "it was such a nice playful dog who loved everyone" when it kills or maims someone. Anyone who owns a dog that does that to someone should have their wages garnished for the rest of their lives. It would take that long because only poor people own pit bulls.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: May 31, 2004
Posts: 429
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Perhaps Bushsupporter should examine a pit bull from Bad News Kennels and see if he changes his mind?
"I call them like I see them any my visision is always 20/20" - notsojoey
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6040
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quote: Bushsupporter:
Pit bulls are mean and vicious. You can claim that it is just how they are raised but the stats don't lie.
Ooh, statistics. 78% of statistics are bunk. I know a person with a pit bull, and it's less aggressive than my shih tzu. Experience doesn't lie.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 31, 2004
Posts: 429
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I bought two pit bulls from Bad Newz Kennels. I keep them chained up in the front yard. I have had no problems, and yes they are worth.
"I call them like I see them any my visision is always 20/20" - notsojoey
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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Yeah, pit bulls are worth it if you are willing to have yourself or your kids torn into pieces in the middle of the night, or have one get out and kill an old lady walking down the street. Pit bulls are mean and vicious. You can claim that it is just how they are raised but the stats don't lie.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: June 22, 2004
Posts: 2343
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How they act has to do with two things - their bloodline and how they are treated. I've been around and worked with some of breeds that have the biggest misconceptions or sterotypes about them and for some breeds it's true. I would take a pit bull over a rottie just from experience. But I think if the public was educated in the right ways, alot of this could be stopped. Misconpceptions can get you hurt or even killed. Just think about this: Punish the deed, not the breed.
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Registered: December 28, 2007
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hell ya they are i got 6 of them they the best
punish the breed not the deed
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Registered: July 14, 2005
Posts: 178
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Welcome to YN, aryanangel. In the future, please try to condense all your writing to one post. To keep the "flow of the boards" going, posting three times in succession on one topic, or "triple posting", is something we try to limit.
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Registered: February 12, 2007
Posts: 3
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how in the hell can you just diss on the pitt bulls? its not there falt that they attack peopl. if people would not tease the dogs then they would noy be so mean. so take a secind look around every where you go there are pitt bulls, so take another look around!!! quote: Originally posted by freedomordeath:
Are you talking to me, ICE?
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Registered: February 12, 2007
Posts: 3
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pitt bulls are worth it.and how can u hate pitt bulls? they are very loving.and they dont even bother the children that are at my house! quote: Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
My father raises and trains attack dogs. Even he doesn't like pitbulls. Pit bulls are the dogs most willing to betray you.
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