quote:Look, God made ADAM and EVE, not Adam and Steve. It is wrong! In the long run, you might have rights here on earth, but once your time here is over, you'll see.
And when your time here is abruptly cut off by someone you've made angry with your provincial views, you'll see that there may not be a God. And if there is, He'll be pretty mad at you for not following His Golden Rule.
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quote:Well, I'm 16, and therefore, can't get married...is that discrimination?
Of course it isn't. You're not old enough or mature enough to make a decision like that. And if you are mature enough, you'll realize that you should wait a couple of years anyway. You need to finish school.
quote:Is it discrimination to not let someone marry five wives?
Nope. No one can love 5 different people that way, love them all equally, and treat them all equally. Most people have trouble even loving one spouse (just look at the 50% divorce rate for proof). Besides, you can only have more than one wife if you can give them separate lodgings and treat them well, which most people who live in countries that allow polygamy cannot do.
quote:Is it discrimination to not let someone marry their sister?
No, there's this thing called inbreeding. It's not good for the children. We're protecting the children in this case.
quote:Is it discrimination to not let someone marry their dog, or cat?
A dog or a cat does not have any legal standing. Besides, they cannot sign a marriage license or say "I do," so that was a pretty dumb example.
quote:There's a difference between discrimination and having a definition of marriage.
Yes, but what you are suggesting is not it.
quote:I think it's disgusting for gay people to force their views on 60% of the country.
And I think it's disgusting for conservative Christians and our beloved President Shrub to force their views on a SECULAR nation.
I love these people who are like, "I don't hate gats, I just don't want them to have equal rights!" I also love it when they're like, "I'm not homophobic, I'm just worried that the sanctity of marriage will be ruined if we let gays get married!" like there's any such thing.
Bauhaus, your posts are great.
Let me also say that I am appalled that there is still a debate as to whether or not gays should have the same rights as everyone else in this secular nation.
"If voting could really change things, it would be illegal." & "A conservative is a person who lives in a past that never existed. "
i get the exact same thing. whenever i stand up in class to say that i am all for equal rights for gay and lesbian there's always some stupid person saying that i'm gay. it drives me nuts. all you can do is keeping saying and doing what you believe and not let others get to you-however much u want to punch them for being so ignorant.
You right wing pleople **** me off so ****in' much. First you want to make abortion illegal so you flood the homes with kids that are waiting to be adopted... Next you dont want gays to have equal rights... How are they gonna adopt all these kids you prevented from being aborted... Right Wing logic is a joke.
quote:How is that even comparable? When gay people marry there is no way they can repoduce sexually. With interracial marriage they can reproduce by having sex. There is nothing similar except that at one point interracial dating was illegal. if u want to respond please email me at Rockygurl1@aol.com. I would love to hear everyone's comment.
How can old couples reproduce? Are you trying to tell me for couples over 60 it should be illegal for them to marry?? My aunt and uncle have tried to have a kid but they can't.. Does this mean they broke the law?
i hate gays because i have been tornmented harrassed and bullied by being called gay it hurts relly bad and its so hard to fight back thats y gays should just shut up and pretend to be right
I know many people who are gay, and am not a homophobic. However, I do not agree with that lifestyle one bit at all. Those who say that the people who wrote the bible "left Steve out" need to think before they talk. Do you all have ANY idea who wrote the bible? Not "a bunch of people," it was people directed by God's voice. In fact, the bible has many references to homosexuals, like the two sinful cities which were torn down by God. The Bible SAYS they were sinful because they were doing disgusting acts like incest, adultery and HOMOSEXUALITY. It is a sin, and our country, formed under God, should not allow marriages between ***** because it is God who pronounces a couple married. Tell them to go to another country to get married, where gay rights are not an issue under a country of God.
How is that even comparable? When gay people marry there is no way they can repoduce sexually. With interracial marriage they can reproduce by having sex. There is nothing similar except that at one point interracial dating was illegal. if u want to respond please email me at Rockygurl1@aol.com. I would love to hear everyone's comment.
When a man and a woman love each other, they get married and that's normal. so whats the difference if 2 men or 2 women get married? y do people care so much??? its not even their business. how is it hurting u homophobics if two men or two women get married. it's none of ur f***cking business!!!! let people be! if u hate ppl or torment ppl who are gay then u are a very insecure person and need to work on yourself. take my advice: therapy is good for everybody, u dont have to be a manic depressive to need to talk things out with a counselor. so let ppl be and let ppl love! u only have one life to do it!!!
I think gay/****y and trans should all have equal rights. Gay marriage should also be allowed because i think if your in love its ok to be married aslong as its not with a relative.
quote: Well, I'm 16, and therefore, can't get married...is that discrimination
Actually, in some states, with parental permission you can, but that's entirely of the subject.
quote: Look, God made ADAM and EVE, not Adam and Steve
I know it says God made Adam and Eve in the bible, but were you there? How do you know he did not make Steve as well and that the people who recorded the Bible left it out or it got lost in translation? There ARE parts that were left out of the Bible you know.
And not agreeing with gay rights ISN'T Homophobia, you are right there.
Finally, you just can't help who you fall in love with. It's not like you have a choice. Things happen and you end up with a person you never thought you'd end up with. I don't see why you can't MARRY the person you love. You should be allowed to. Whatever happened to the unalienable rights of 'Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'? Why must people insist on denying people who are different from them those rights?
I support gay rights and gay marriage. In my opinion, people who are against either are very narrow-minded. I also think that they are discriminating against gays, although many may deny that fact. The Bible says that marriage is only for a man and a woman, but the Bible also says a lot other things that many people go against everyday, even the priests.
first off all, i'm going to shock you all by saying... the whole world doesnt believe in the bible. no doubt this will shock some of you, but the whole world isnt christian. an in case you were wondering, the exact same arguemnts some of you homophobes are using were used to: A)stop black people from getting rights, B)disallow interracial marriage, and C)Need i go on?
People today think being liberal is horrible. but i have a question for you: if you could, would you get rid of the most liberal document in the USA? if you answered "yes", you want to get rid of the Constitution. Glad to see you homophobes give a damn about peoples rights.
fyi-i'm straight, but i give a damn about other people.
Look, God made ADAM and EVE, not Adam and Steve. It is wrong! In the long run, you might have rights here on earth, but once your time here is over, you'll see.
Plus, just because it makes you happy doesnt mean it's right- if it makes you happy to kill someone, does that make it right?? NO
By the way, it's not homophobia, it's an opinion and belief from the Bible.
Discrimination is discrimination, eh? I assume you are talking about gay marriage. Well, I'm 16, and therefore, can't get married...is that discrimination? Is it discrimination to not let someone marry five wives? Is it discrimination to not let someone marry their sister? Is it discrimination to not let someone marry their dog, or cat? There's a difference between discrimination and having a definition of marriage. If gays were allowed to have civil unions with all the benefits of marriage, is that still discrimination?
Also, averyb, you never explained to me what homophobia has to do with me. I'm straight, doesn't really affect me.
quote: fear of honestly expressing themselves and acting outside rigid gender/sexual roles and fear of developing close, meaningful relationships with people of the same sex (and being labeled 'gay' and consequently suffering stigma, harassment and discrimination).
And conservative Christians live in fear of being stigmatized as intolerant, dogmatic psychos by gays and being labeled homophobes. I'd like to explain to you why people oppose gay marriage...it has nothing to do with homophobia. Homophobia is fear of homosexuality/homosexuals. Most all people who oppose gay marriage are not homophobes...we just don't think that is marriage, we believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Has nothing to do with being afraid of homosexuals, or being intolerant, or discriminatory. I don't care if you are gay, I don't care if you get civil unions, I don't care if you get all the legal perks as marriage. I just don't want to call it marriage. And when over 60% of the country (ABC News poll from...February, I believe, or March) object to gay marriage, I think it's disgusting for gay people to force their views on 60% of the country.
Well i've been a member of this YouthNoise for a while now but never really got around to fixing up the little tidbits to my profile.
This topic strikes as a particular interest for me. I've been a little activists for the GLBT community since I was a freshman in high school. Now I'm going to be a junior. The first PRIDE parade I marched in was Los Angeles Pride, then Long Beach Pride, then LA pride again. The gay rights movement is equal or greater than any other civil rights movements that have taken place in history. Discrimination is discrimination.
I think I totally agree with most every post that is pro-gay rights on this topic. Love is love is love-so what if it happens to be two women or two men? That doesn't make them an 'abomination' or 'freaks'-it just means that they found true love in a place most of us don't look. Homophobia can hurt us all, as mentioned earlier-I have a bunch of extremely close female friends, but, since I am hetero and female, I can't show as much affection towards my friends lest it be percieved as lesbian. And another thing-why is it becoming more and more popular to call others '******s' or '****' or 'gay' as an insult? It only hurts the people we offer rights to.
And the rights themselves are slaps to the face-oh, you can have all the same rights as marriage, but we can't call it that because marriage is the holy union of a man and a woman for procreation. Whatever.
Well, I made my point two paragraphs ago-love is love is love, whether it be between a man and a woman or a man and a man.
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