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Picture of Euterpe
Registered: September 29, 2004
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Because prior to 1968, people were actually raising their children. Before, any juvenille crime, the finger was pointed at the parents. Which was usually the reason.

Now, however, any juvenille crime committed, the finger is pointed at his or her CD collection, movies, books he/she read, and shirts he/she wore. And not, of course, to the parent who dismissed a zealous interest Hitler and a detached and defiant attitude.


A lo hecho, pecho.
Picture of freedomordeath
Registered: June 02, 2004
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Or was the cause and effect the other way around?


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Picture of NuShoesAgain
Registered: October 22, 2002
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it's the ease with which these kids gain access to guns that is frightening.


Yet, notice prior 1968, when you could still buy any kind of gun mail-order, delivered to your door with ammo, no ID or paperwork required, and school shootings where virtually unheard of. Compared with today, with legal gun access regulated to the hilt, and now we have kids going postal every few months.

The problem, more likely, is that the kid who shot up his school yesterday learned from other school shootings that this is a way to either get attention, or go out in a (so-called) blaze of glory.


Liberals prefer equality - all people should be equally poor, unsafe and badly-educated.
Picture of freedomordeath
Registered: June 02, 2004
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Mind you, it's irresponsibility. And black markets.


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Picture of clpo13
Registered: November 05, 2004
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If anything, it's the ease with which these kids gain access to guns that is frightening.


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Picture of riskbreaker86
Registered: April 24, 2005
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yeah, because thats how it works...


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: July 11, 2005
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i never hear of these cases regularly in countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium or Monaco


Which have populations the size of what, Rhode Island? I havn't heard about any Rhode Island shootings, either. Bigger population, better odds of producing 1 or 2 psychos in the bunch.

Not that I don't think that there are causes beyond that, but the places you named are tiny.
Picture of riskbreaker86
Registered: April 24, 2005
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no it means there are problems, bi-products if you will of a consumerist society with a diminishing morality and all or nothing society.

maybe it is inferior in that area? perhaps youd like to claim otherwise but i never hear of these cases regularly in countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium or Monaco...to name a few.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
Sho
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Registered: July 11, 2005
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Even if the numbers of fatalities are (thank god) low, school shootings should be considered important because they represent larger problems that young adults feel within the educational and perhaps the social climate of our country as a whole.


And yes, it could happen at my school. Two weeks ago, a kid I go to school with hit someone I was vaguely friendly with in the head with a shovel during a fight (off of school grounds), and the victim is in a coma. Now we have police all over the place.
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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I guess that means the US is just an inferior country, Risk. I'm sort of sick of the anti-American bullshit. Germany has had issues, as have other countries.


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Picture of riskbreaker86
Registered: April 24, 2005
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the problem needs to be looked at as it is, a disturbing effect of a society in crisis, this doesn't happen all over the world, infact the only other incident outside of the US i can remember is one in japan and a knife rampage in the UK.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
Picture of bored1234
Registered: October 04, 2005
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i heard that there was a school shooting somewhere yesterday. i know it was not in my state (MO). i haven't heard anything about it yet and i was just wondering because if there truely was a shooting, you'd think i'd have heard about it by now... if anyone knows anything, please let me know. thanx.... i'm sooo confused!!! Confused


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Picture of DrStrangelove
Registered: March 13, 2002
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WHAT CAN WE DO AS STUDENTS TO PREVENT THESE SHOOTINGS?


Start packing heat Big Grin

Either that or watch a lot of MacGuyver. He always seems to defeat guys with uzi's by using school supplies.


"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
Picture of daveman486
Registered: March 09, 2004
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Including the Columbine shootings, there were 32 students and 3 teachers shot and killed in elementary and secondary schools between 1997-2001. These involved gang conflicts, robberies, accidents, and columbine type events. Durring this same time 53 students died while playing football for their school team. There are around 52 million public school students in the United States.
Picture of Aguagon
Registered: March 08, 2004
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Here we go again, blowing things way out of proportion...

Look, once school shootings start claiming more than average of 10 lives a year, then I'll care. For now, these are isolated incidents. The last thing we need is to waste money on more ineffective "don't bully the outcasts" instructional videos and training.


And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
Picture of benje309
Registered: January 03, 2005
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Oh and after reading the article, that school district is almost the same size as mine and is 35 mi from a major city...so scary...WHAT CAN WE DO AS STUDENTS TO PREVENT THESE SHOOTINGS?


"When you pull on that jersey, the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back." Herb Brooks
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Registered: January 03, 2005
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It is very scary. And yes, unfortunaly, it can happen at any school.

My school has great security guards, they really are great, fun, and personable, but they can't detect a gun in a backpack with out metal detectors, which would just cost too much $$.

Its terrible.


"When you pull on that jersey, the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back." Herb Brooks
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