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Registered: August 28, 2001
Posts: 22
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We've all seen the news coverage. Thousands of people without food, water, or shelter on crowded highways and street corners while hundereds more die at their feet. Although these images appear to be filmed from some far-off third world country, this is happening in our own wealthy and so-called super-power of a country. So how did this happen? How could Hurricane Katrina, a disaster that was predicted and even digitalized on computer screens some five years ago lead to this much devasation? How could innoncent Lousiana citizens have to wait 5 days to get any semblance of help? George W. Bush is the president of this country, and while I of course do not blame him for this natural disaster his reaction to it was disgusting. Sure, he flew above the destruction, said a few words, artificially hugged a few people in the camera's eye, and then left. He can go into Iraq and spend whatever time and money he pleases, but when it comes to what is quite possibly the nation's worst national disaster, he seems to be moving in slow motion. Even after Bush was informed of the disaster, he chose to carry on with his vacation at the Golf Resort of El Mirage, AZ. I've been anti-Bush from the beginning but this is the tipping point. Is there anyway that impeachment could be possible- does anyone know if there are any charges that could work? I know that not everyone is going to agree with me on this, but for those who do, maybe an online petetion would be a start.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6058
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Even if Naggin had ordered an evacuation, I'm fairly sure all the people who stayed would have still done so.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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like i said before: bush cannot LEGALLY come out of his jurisdiction to help local or state governments. im from la and if anyone is to blame for slow response, it is govenor cathlene blanco to blame. and mayor ray naggin is lousy for not ordering an evacuationn for new orleans.
Brooke
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Registered: December 10, 2003
Posts: 1081
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quote: They should have 'taken' over the situation, not took. If any of my black friends or I made a class associated gramatical error like that we would get a comment or a thought like "we're not in compton".
Excuse me for the 'typo' FML, but seeing as I'm busy doing drills with the other Marines in my unit I didn't have time to properly edit my wording, but in any case no hard feelings taken.  quote: I think this shows that government is counted on to greatly by liberals. Liberals think that government can solve nearly all our problems. It's become so bad that they even expect the federal government to protect us from hurricanes and their aftermath.
FML no democrat I've heard on YN or the Gov't. in general has blamed Bush for the hurricanes coming, and no one surely didn't say he could have prevented them. The only thing that is under fire here is the poor lack of an expedient response from the federal gov't. to lend a hand to the situation. It basically boils down to if you see someone drowning are you not going to dive in and rescue the person or sit aside and watch them drown before you help?
In order to teach, one must first learn to listen
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Registered: June 06, 2004
Posts: 3373
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quote: i think the Federal Government should have stepped in and took over the situation no matter what.
They should have 'taken' over the situation, not took. If any of my black friends or I made a class associated gramatical error like that we would get a comment or a thought like "we're not in compton". If you don't learn to use proper gramar you allow people's unconcious racism to cloud their perceptions. I know that you are intelligent and I would hate to think that someday you would make a mistake like that in public and whatever wonderful point you were making would be discounted or taken lightly because of people's perceptions. If it was a typo, please ignore my rant. I think this shows that government is counted on to greatly by liberals. Liberals think that government can solve nearly all our problems. It's become so bad that they even expect the federal government to protect us from hurricanes and their aftermath. Honorablecoalition.tripod.com Whereas;This message has hereby been proudly deemed racism and bigotry free by the Great and Honorable Coalition Against Racism. MMIV - Youthnoise's First Coalition.
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Registered: December 10, 2003
Posts: 1081
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i think the Federal Government should have stepped in and took over the situation no matter what. This shouldn't be a Republican and Democrat debate on the situation and why what happened, happened. This is a response of leadership competetance that must be displayed in a situation like this, clearly the federal government was caught sleeping again. I mean that's why there's is a credible source that we can rely on that full far warns us of the severity and seriousness of the situation. So why didn't the federal government respond more quickly and pro=actively to the situation? Is it not a top priority of the federal government to impose on a states rights to prevent and coordinate a mass operation to save lives and insure that as citizens the needs of the welfare of its people come first? And is it not the top priority of the Governing head of State to impose upon its respective citizens the severity of the situation at hand on state, and local level? So why did none of these things come to be when Katrina and Rita so maliously destroyed the gulf coast region, streching as far west as the east Texas border and due east to the shores of Mississippi? Simple broken leadership, a failure of the federal government to properly issue due notice to a state of the union to properly equip and protect its state at all measures, and clearly give notice that at any time as seen fit the federal government would be there to respond ans assess the situation without relent.
In order to teach, one must first learn to listen
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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DUDE ok that was rude, and no "stupid" ppl dont deserve to die ofcourse no one does. but when there is finally a mandatory evacuation ( which was after katrina hit) it is then up to the people to get the hell out of there!!!
Brooke
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Registered: June 06, 2004
Posts: 3373
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quote: I just wished that less people died.
quote: i wish people wouldnt have been so stupid FML's Top Five Responses to This Piece of Discourse-
- Number 4: Which one of these people has a higher likelyhood of going to hell?
- Number 3: Compassionate Conservatism, how's that working out for ya.
- Number 2: Stupid people deserve to die? That seems like a pretty self destructive position to have.
- Number 1: You, brooke. You are the answer to Number 4.
Hiyooooooooooooh*like Ed McMann* Honorablecoalition.tripod.com Whereas;This message has hereby been proudly deemed racism and bigotry free by the Great and Honorable Coalition Against Racism. MMIV - Youthnoise's First Coalition.
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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holy crap but blue dont you agree that it was their own fault if the cost their own life? yeah, i wish people wouldnt have been so stupid to leave and i dont care poor or not, hitchike my god
Brooke
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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Because I believe that state rights are basically pointless and that the fed. government shouldn't be hampered by states in a situation like this one. I don't care who is president. I just wished that less people died.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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oh yeah and femas leader or whatever messed up so i think that was a big mistake on bushs part by appointing him, although fema could have not ordered a mandatory evacuation, they could have been prepared.
Brooke
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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yeah im aware of my party, lol and so ansering your question, i do believe our local gov blows and bush should have more power, but why do you think bush should have more power? considering your a dem.
Brooke
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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quote: are you talking about a more loose gov? bcas i dont think republicans believe in such a thing lol
Republicans believe in state rights and hardly any taxes. Democrats believe in a stronger fed. government and taxes for necessary government programs (welfare, educational reforms, ect). Look it up.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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are you talking about a more loose gov? bcas i dont think republicans believe in such a thing lol
Brooke
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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quote: i wasnt talking to you blue, to Clpo13...but nice of you to comment. You keep up the great work too, even though clpo13 is a better debator...but nice try. Farewell agian!
Oooh, that is painful, Marine. I am in tears. I happen to be aware of the fact that clpo is a better debator. But guess what it really isn't a competition, especially when clpo and I are on the same side of the debate.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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Ahh, you just responded to my previous comment. It is tragic what happened. But I think it could have been avoided if the fed. government had more power. Traditionally, Republicans and southerners are in favor of less power for the fed. government. They believe in state rights. In this situation state rights was part of the problem.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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Brooke, don't you find it ironic that Louisiana is such a proponent for state/local rights and responsibilities, yet the state/local governments completely failed?
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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quote: I find it very ironic that LA is such a proponent for state rights, yet the state did absolutely nothing in repsonse to the hurricane. Maybe other Republican states will learn not to rely so much on state governments.
holy crap are you serious........ ok i admit this state is pretty much lame but you dont know anything.....have you been down to the shelters, better yet have you volunteered at one? I'm so sorry we dont havve the evacuees up in hotels and houses.....oh but arnt fema putting the evacuees in mobile homes and providing a 2000$ debt card? dude, red cross and fema can only do so much at a time
Brooke
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Registered: June 05, 2005
Posts: 80
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ok woah.....im from louisiana and i think if anyone should be impeached, it should be govenor cathlene blanco and mayer ray naggin!! they just really set a bad name for us, but thats democrats for ya lol. ok here i go: Legally LEGALLY bush and the federal government cannot come out of their jurisdiction without the concent of blanco. now mayer ray naggin has to get the govenor to submit the help to bush LEGALLY! and being the home of a ton of evacuees, i see first hand the devastation and losses and let me tell you this could not have been prevented! let me repeat" this could not have been prevented bcas you have cowards as politicians who are lazy and don't know how to do their job. blanco was caught on tape she herself said she wasnt going to ask for federal help. i guess she thought she was man enough to handle it herself. but really she got in way over her head and shes to blame for slow response, not bush! but of course you are going to have these democrats who will complain one way or another. let me conclude this: our local gov sux *member of the teenage republicans*
Brooke
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