Here's an idea. Super religious people, why don't you ignore stem cell research. When you children have Tay-Sachs syndrome and you grandfather has ALS, you can just watch them die slowly and painfully. No one is forcing you to take advantage of stem cell treatment.

Not everyone is religious and believes the same thing as you. You shouldn't try to hold back scientists. Many people who don't have your beliefs would and will benefit from stem cell research. People who use stem treatment will know the "risk" of going to hell. But it would be their choice.

hubbabaloo, this is mainly directed at you. Not everyone has your beliefs, so stop trying to impose them on us.

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Umm, from all those rich democrats in their mansions.

too bad most of the rich are republicans.

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I think that we should look for it, but this isn't it. God will let us know when we have found it, and this isn't it.

this is coming from a medical expert, right?

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Ahhh...

The reason fundies are so against this is because it basically says "**** God!" and slaps him in the face. But that's not important...

Yes, it could bring wonderful advantages. But we don't know what could happen (long term, I mean) with this.

I'm afraid of the whole choosing a child's traits thing. It sounds so much like an A Clockwork Orange-esque ordeal it terrifies me.

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saying fund it yourself

How in this damn world could you get the millions to keep this up without any help?

Umm, from all those rich democrats in their mansions.

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Are you saying it is of your preference to let a human have rabbies to save the duckies or chicks? That's insane.

No, I'm saying that argument is irrelevant. I'm saying, go ahead and use the duck and chick embryos, but the argument does not compare, because you're comparing humans to ducks.

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God is painfully slow. He did not provide cures for any disease so far, in fact, all were human made except herbal remedies which don't do crap. We can't sit on out behinds and wait for God to provide the miracle cure for us. You can't depend on God, because: a. God may not exist b. What if God just put us all these things to test us and our intelligence? c. God may not give a crap and d. This directly, as I said in the first paragraph, says "**** God!" and so, he would be very angry.

I think that we should look for it, but this isn't it. God will let us know when we have found it, and this isn't it.

AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN ARGUE WITH OUT ASTERICKS?

You can get stem cells from other places besides embryos. You can take them from parts of your own body, like your nose, and I heard certain types of brain tumours have them too.

I cannot even begin to support stem cell reserch because its taking a life. Some say its not , that its "just a group of cells that doesn't look like a human" as I read in a rescent article on this site. Well I ask you, is it the number of cells or the shape/appearance of those cells that makes us human? that answer is NO to both. we are humans because of the DNA we conain. and as a very wise many said once. Actually that does look like a human...a human at that stage of developement. and that beings up another interesting point.They are developing... Dead things don't develop. once you settle this then come back and tell me why our already overly bloated federal government shoud take more of our money to fund this.

the worst part is now bush will do everything in his capacity in the name of humanity to ban this.....

Ahhh...

The reason fundies are so against this is because it basically says "**** God!" and slaps him in the face. But that's not important...

Yes, it could bring wonderful advantages. But we don't know what could happen (long term, I mean) with this.

I'm afraid of the whole choosing a child's traits thing. It sounds so much like an A Clockwork Orange-esque ordeal it terrifies me.

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saying fund it yourself

How in this damn world could you get the millions to keep this up without any help?

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vaccines are made of aborted Duck Embryos.

Are you saying it is of your preference to let a human have rabbies to save the duckies or chicks? That's insane.

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but God will provide another way.

God is painfully slow. He did not provide cures for any disease so far, in fact, all were human made except herbal remedies which don't do crap. We can't sit on out behinds and wait for God to provide the miracle cure for us. You can't depend on God, because: a. God may not exist b. What if God just put us all these things to test us and our intelligence? c. God may not give a crap and d. This directly, as I said in the first paragraph, says "**** God!" and so, he would be very angry.

However, the more recently developed and less expensive purified chick embryo cell vaccine and purified Vero cell rabies vaccine have comparable characteristics. They are all lyophilized and must be reconstituted. The potency of all cell-derived vaccines is assessed using a National Institutes of Health test and the WHO requirement is a potency of at least 2.5 IU per intramuscular dose.
--http://www.who.int/vaccines/en/rabies.shtml#vaccines

I checked again, and apparently my encyclopedia is out-dated. They no longer make them out of duck embryos. They now make them out of chick embryos. There was a time that they made them out of human embryos, but that idea isn't in use very often anymore, as it's more expensive.

Hubb, if your sources are so credible, I'm sure you wouldn't mind linking us to them, so we could investigate further?

Bushism of the day:
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

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I wrote a report on vaccines, and not all of those, in fact, all the ones that I researched are not made with aborted human babies.

did you check the fda website? because it says they are.

Well, I suppose they could have changed some of them (it was three/four years ago), but I know for a fact that Rabies vaccines are made of aborted Duck Embryos. I did a ten page paper on rabies cures.

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I wrote a report on vaccines, and not all of those, in fact, all the ones that I researched are not made with aborted human babies.

did you check the fda website? because it says they are.

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Originally posted by yogore:
Hubb, I don't think you know anything about stem cell research.

Just because I researched at sites that you don't like?

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Originally posted by bauhaus:
hubbabaloo, To date, there are 5 vaccines that use aborted babies as part of the manufacturing process: Rubella, as found in the M-M-R®II, the M-R-Vax®II, the Meruvax®II, and the Biavax®II; Poliovax® inactivated vaccine for Polio; Varivax® Varicella Virus Vaccine Live, for Chicken Pox; Imovax® Rabies ID, Wistar Rabies Virus Strain PM-1503-3M Vaccine (and the rabies immune globulin); and the newly recommended Havrix® Inactivated for Hepatitis A. Some of this information is fairly easy to find and some of the information needs some history and medical information to detect.

I wrote a report on vaccines, and not all of those, in fact, all the ones that I researched are not made with aborted human babies.

hubbabaloo, To date, there are 5 vaccines that use aborted babies as part of the manufacturing process: Rubella, as found in the M-M-R®II, the M-R-Vax®II, the Meruvax®II, and the Biavax®II; Poliovax® inactivated vaccine for Polio; Varivax® Varicella Virus Vaccine Live, for Chicken Pox; Imovax® Rabies ID, Wistar Rabies Virus Strain PM-1503-3M Vaccine (and the rabies immune globulin); and the newly recommended Havrix® Inactivated for Hepatitis A. Some of this information is fairly easy to find and some of the information needs some history and medical information to detect.

Hubb, I don't think you know anything about stem cell research.

Using stem cells to conduct research is as harmless as mashed potatoes. There is nothing wrong with it. Not now at least. However, if no restrictions are put on it, it could get pretty nasty.

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I'll kill an innocent child to save another.

Stem cells are not children. They are cells.

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You forgot one thing. I don't personally agree that fertility clinics are right, and I also don't think that the majority are from there.

That's irrelevant. The point is that fertility clinics do exist and there are left over embyros. These embryos will die and go to waste if they aren't used for organ regrowth.

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God would never kill his innocent children to save another of His children. He just doesn't do that.

So you had a personal conversation with god? Out of curiosity, what does he look like or did you talk to him over the phone or via email?

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Than what are you waiting for? I'm not saying you can't go ahead and do this. I'm saying fund it yourself. The government doesn't have endorse everything in this country, and they shouldn't endorse this.

I guess that you are against saving lives. The government funds numerous scientific programs. Look at NASA, what has that program accomplished in the last decade? With stem cell research there is so much hope for life.

I have never conversed directly with God, but I have conversed with Him through, and the Holy Spirit has conversed back. I'm not against saving lives, but I am against trading lives. And I believe that the Prophet, the Head of my Church has conversed face to face with God.

Stem cells are children. They deserve to have the right to come to Earth. They were spirits before birth, and they were intelligences before that, and the body that is becoming formed was intended for that spirit.

i totally support stem cell research. it is not killing babies, cells are not babies until they are fertilized.

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The government doesn't have endorse everything in this country, and they shouldn't endorse this.

If the government funded only non-controversial topics, NOTHING would get funded. Except maybe education.

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I'll kill an innocent child to save another.

Stem cells are not children. They are cells.

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You forgot one thing. I don't personally agree that fertility clinics are right, and I also don't think that the majority are from there.

That's irrelevant. The point is that fertility clinics do exist and there are left over embyros. These embryos will die and go to waste if they aren't used for organ regrowth.

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God would never kill his innocent children to save another of His children. He just doesn't do that.

So you had a personal conversation with god? Out of curiosity, what does he look like or did you talk to him over the phone or via email?

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Than what are you waiting for? I'm not saying you can't go ahead and do this. I'm saying fund it yourself. The government doesn't have endorse everything in this country, and they shouldn't endorse this.

I guess that you are against saving lives. The government funds numerous scientific programs. Look at NASA, what has that program accomplished in the last decade? With stem cell research there is so much hope for life.