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Originally posted by yogore:
They already have all of the embriotic cells they need for stem cell research. They need no more embryos.

Than what are you waiting for? I'm not saying you can't go ahead and do this. I'm saying fund it yourself. The government doesn't have endorse everything in this country, and they shouldn't endorse this.

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Originally posted by katalinacmnacha89:

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And though, I do find it depressing that I couldn't, with clear conscience, possibly find cures to all those diseases, but God will provide another way.

If you know so much about stem cells, you know that most of them are leftover from fertility clinics, etc, and so they would die anyway were they not put to a use such as this reasearch.

You say you know we will not find a cure to all those diseases, but I don't know how you can know this. We have found cures to lots of formerly "incurable" diseases such as polio, etc.

Maybe these stem cells ARE God showing us another way, and yet it is His own followers, people such as you, that are preventing him from helping us.

Another thing. You believe using stem cells is a sin, because its killing a human life, right? But wouldn't you be denying other humans life, if this could possibly save those lives?

God would never kill his innocent children to save another of His children. He just doesn't do that. He decided to give that disease to them, and he wouldn't have made that disease if it was neccesary to kill another person to save them.

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Originally posted by katalinacmnacha89:

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And though, I do find it depressing that I couldn't, with clear conscience, possibly find cures to all those diseases, but God will provide another way.

If you know so much about stem cells, you know that most of them are leftover from fertility clinics, etc, and so they would die anyway were they not put to a use such as this reasearch.

You say you know we will not find a cure to all those diseases, but I don't know how you can know this. We have found cures to lots of formerly "incurable" diseases such as polio, etc.

Maybe these stem cells ARE God showing us another way, and yet it is His own followers, people such as you, that are preventing him from helping us.

Another thing. You believe using stem cells is a sin, because its killing a human life, right? But wouldn't you be denying other humans life, if this could possibly save those lives?

A life for a life. How selfish. I'll kill an innocent child to save another. I wouldn't kill anybody to save another life.

You forgot one thing. I don't personally agree that fertility clinics are right, and I also don't think that the majority are from there.

They already have all of the embriotic cells they need for stem cell research. They need no more embryos.

Go kat, go kat, go, go!

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And though, I do find it depressing that I couldn't, with clear conscience, possibly find cures to all those diseases, but God will provide another way.

If you know so much about stem cells, you know that most of them are leftover from fertility clinics, etc, and so they would die anyway were they not put to a use such as this reasearch.

You say you know we will not find a cure to all those diseases, but I don't know how you can know this. We have found cures to lots of formerly "incurable" diseases such as polio, etc.

Maybe these stem cells ARE God showing us another way, and yet it is His own followers, people such as you, that are preventing him from helping us.

Another thing. You believe using stem cells is a sin, because its killing a human life, right? But wouldn't you be denying other humans life, if this could possibly save those lives?

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Originally posted by bauhaus:

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how exactly is it a benefit of human society? I mean, I dont know every little thing about stem cell research, but in my opinion, I dont like it. I am torn on this, but funding this research and librarys are totally different...

Lets say your ear gets ripped off, or finger... Stem cell research will help grow a new one. It can also help grow new skin/hair for burn victims. Helps find cures for cancer, etc.


Im totally against helping humans live longer, I think its sick, we were suppose to die at 50, and now we are living 90+. But creating limbs, and skin I have no problem with.

I yes funding stem cells and librarys are tottally different, so is eating an orange, and so is eating ice cream.

Will or may? May. If you "know" it will do this, why do you need to research it. I seriously doubt that I could regrow another finger from stem cell. There's a limit to medicine, but there may be quite a few things that could come out of it.

As I wrote in one of my novels, stem cell research has become an excuse for a doctor not knowing what to do. My fictional character had an entirely fictional, supposed to be unknown in the story disease, and was told that his only chance for survival was stem cell. Though it's a fictional circumstance, I use the words I would use were I told that, for his words.

"You're too prideful to tell me that you don't know. That you don't have a clue as to what to do with me. You just can't admit that your knowledge has stopped here. So, you make the government out to be the big, bad meanies that are holding you back from saving me. Well I'll tell you something. If someone is indeed 'holding you back,' it is God, and I'll not contend with Him if He wants to kill me. If he wants me to live, he'll make a wholesome and good way. Not a murderous one."

(I express myself better through fiction. Hope you don't mind).

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Originally posted by katalinacmnacha89:
Maybe the reason you don't like it is because you don't know too much about it. This is the kind of thing that has the potential to save and/or drastically positively change lives for numerous diseases and conditions. How can anyone be opposed to that?

By the way, San Francisco has just been named the new hometown of the stem cell institute in California, i.e. the stem cell capital of the world. Shwing!

Bushism of the day:
"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

See this is what I can't stand about you people. If I think it's an evil thing, I must not "understand it" or "know much about it." I know exactly what stem-cell is. And though, I do find it depressing that I couldn't, with clear conscience, possibly find cures to all those diseases, but God will provide another way.

Stem cell and libraries are very different. If anybody here thinks that libraries are sins, speak out.

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how exactly is it a benefit of human society? I mean, I dont know every little thing about stem cell research, but in my opinion, I dont like it. I am torn on this, but funding this research and librarys are totally different...

Lets say your ear gets ripped off, or finger... Stem cell research will help grow a new one. It can also help grow new skin/hair for burn victims. Helps find cures for cancer, etc.


Im totally against helping humans live longer, I think its sick, we were suppose to die at 50, and now we are living 90+. But creating limbs, and skin I have no problem with.

I yes funding stem cells and librarys are tottally different, so is eating an orange, and so is eating ice cream.

Maybe the reason you don't like it is because you don't know too much about it. This is the kind of thing that has the potential to save and/or drastically positively change lives for numerous diseases and conditions. How can anyone be opposed to that?

By the way, San Francisco has just been named the new hometown of the stem cell institute in California, i.e. the stem cell capital of the world. Shwing!

Bushism of the day:
"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

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Originally posted by bluedemocrat:

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funding schools and librarys is totally opposite from funding stem cell research...

What do you mean? It is for the benefit of human society.

how exactly is it a benefit of human society? I mean, I dont know every little thing about stem cell research, but in my opinion, I dont like it. I am torn on this, but funding this research and librarys are totally different...

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funding schools and librarys is totally opposite from funding stem cell research...

What do you mean? It is for the benefit of human society.

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Originally posted by bauhaus:

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Originally posted by hubbabaloo:
I think that it is fine for you to do it, but the government shouldn't endorse it. Why? I don't personally, but my parents, for example, pay taxes. The money that the government would give to stem-cell comes from taxes, so it comes from my parents. My parents, and I, see it as a serious sin, so they're money is endorsing something they see as a sin.

If the govt shouldnt fun stem cells, they shouldnt fund a lot of other things as well. Like librarys, schools, wellfare, medicare, etc.

funding schools and librarys is totally opposite from funding stem cell research...

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I think that it is fine for you to do it, but the government shouldn't endorse it. Why? I don't personally, but my parents, for example, pay taxes. The money that the government would give to stem-cell comes from taxes, so it comes from my parents. My parents, and I, see it as a serious sin, so they're money is endorsing something they see as a sin.

In that case, I don't think I, or my parents, or most of the state of California, want to pay for the war in Iraq, because I disagree with it, and yes, think of it as a serious sin. Good luck with that one.

Bushism of the day:
"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

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Originally posted by hubbabaloo:
I think that it is fine for you to do it, but the government shouldn't endorse it. Why? I don't personally, but my parents, for example, pay taxes. The money that the government would give to stem-cell comes from taxes, so it comes from my parents. My parents, and I, see it as a serious sin, so they're money is endorsing something they see as a sin.

If the govt shouldnt fun stem cells, they shouldnt fund a lot of other things as well. Like librarys, schools, wellfare, medicare, etc.

I like Stem Cell Research! It's my friend.

I think that it is fine for you to do it, but the government shouldn't endorse it. Why? I don't personally, but my parents, for example, pay taxes. The money that the government would give to stem-cell comes from taxes, so it comes from my parents. My parents, and I, see it as a serious sin, so they're money is endorsing something they see as a sin.