Victory for Protestants everywhere!
IRA Gives Up Arms

During the civil war, the Irish catholic confederates of Ireland signed an alliance with the Royalists, the enemies of Cromwell in the war. The alliance brought about the Irish-Confederate Wars. Their war began by massacaring thousands of Scots and English in Ulster...and Cromwell eventually, invaded Ireland to put an end to the confederate wars...and despite their alliance with the Royalists, recieved no help from them.

They signed an alliance with the sworn enemy of progress...the enemy of the eventually victorious parliamentarians, it can be likened to the Japanese invasion of Singapore, when British colonialism had occured but the method of invasion and conquest of that land was wrong...they had no right, like the republicans have no right to re-take british Ulster.

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I'm part Irish and part English. Hooray Eire. **** the English.

I'm 100% English and proud that Ireland lasted a full part of the UK for so long, and as loyal as the scots and welsh. Their soldiers were a huge part of the British army and the empire didn't just serve England, it served every part of the British Isles and Ireland.

As for decimating their culture, Irish culture is extremely strong, their rather stereotyped as Guiness drinking potato farmers but theres no denying Ireland is unique, in the north and south.

-----"""Religion was still seen as a significant part (legitimately or not), and we see it as a victory."""

We do not! I am protestant (Lutheran and proud...woot). No one sees it as a religious victory except the crazies like you.


-----"""Northern Ireland is British, its descendants are from England, and a lot from Scotland...a result of immigration there during our control. Northern Ireland becomming part of Ireland is unacceptable...just as Welsh or Scottish Independance would be.

What if California wanted reuniting with Mexico? or Texas, independcance?"""

Aw hell no! I don't care. It should never have been taken by you Brits in the first place and should be given back simply to **** the British off as revenge for oppressing the Irish for centuries and decimating their culture. I'm part Irish and part English. Hooray Eire. **** the English.

Just look at Cali and Mexico, does it really make sense that they should be together in comparison to Ireland and North Ireland? California was empty territory being fought over by two colonial governments after the very sparse native people were already killed off; it wasn't an invasion by one colonial government onto native peoples' land.

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Originally posted by riskbreaker86:
Northern Ireland is British, its descendants are from England, and a lot from Scotland...a result of immigration there during our control. Northern Ireland becomming part of Ireland is unacceptable...just as Welsh or Scottish Independance would be.

So..because they're not of the same country of origin, they shouldn't be part of one country? 'Cause diversity would bring the world to its knees! Maaadness.

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What if California wanted reuniting with Mexico? or Texas, independcance?

Texas voluntarily became part of the Confederate after winning their independance. They were not forced. And when the Confederate lost the war, they were peaceably re-admitted into the Union in 1870. A little different than the wars that brought Northern Ireland about.

And California? Again, a four-year war with Mexico got us that fair and square. Mexico wouldn't recognize the Texas independance or its annexation, so we took 'em.

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Also, those in Northern ireland want to stay part of the UK, they enjoy British rule,

I'm sure they do. I'm sure it's wonderful. I didn't say it wasn't.

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and where religon starts to come in...

Lol, what, where?

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the republic of Ireland is dominated by Catholic culture, condoms are frowned upon and suicide rates are so low because families refuse to accept that their loved ones would kill themselfes in the eyes of god, a mortal sin....so coroners usually invent a story to cover the truth.

Those are mighty accusations. I assume you have proof of this, right? Because http://www.samaritans.org/know/suicide_stats_ROI_popup.shtm the stats for the Republic of Ireland are actually HIGHER than the stats for Northern Ireland. Due it its size, climate, whatever, I don't know. So what you said isn't even true. http://www.samaritans.org/know/suicide_stats.shtm# You can go there, as well, to see all the statistics.

The Republic of Ireland has a 1.9 live births per woman rate, and a 14 per thousand birth rate. http://www.alsagerschool.co.uk/subjects/sub_content/geo...MLENH/country/ie.htm

The UK has a 10.78 birth rate. So, really, the condom thing isn't really an issue if the rates are so close together, hm? The Republic of Ireland's protected 2025 population is 3.6 million. Not that big of a deal.

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Little things like this seperate the cultures, and political differences are huge....Ulster is British, Belfast is British, and the Northern Irish, are British.

I agree religious and politlca differences are many. But that's not the reason the British won't relinquish control. It is NOT that noble. It is, as k9tb said, because of their economic value and quality of life.

There is no noble justification for their occupation there. Not to keep political and religious peace. Please.

Northern Ireland is British, its descendants are from England, and a lot from Scotland...a result of immigration there during our control. Northern Ireland becomming part of Ireland is unacceptable...just as Welsh or Scottish Independance would be.

What if California wanted reuniting with Mexico? or Texas, independcance?

Also, those in Northern ireland want to stay part of the UK, they enjoy British rule, and where religon starts to come in...the republic of Ireland is dominated by Catholic culture, condoms are frowned upon and suicide rates are so low because families refuse to accept that their loved ones would kill themselfes in the eyes of god, a mortal sin....so coroners usually invent a story to cover the truth. Little things like this seperate the cultures, and political differences are huge....Ulster is British, Belfast is British, and the Northern Irish, are British.

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I don't truly understand WHY Britain is holding so tightly onto this land.

Because they know that Ireland has the fourth highest GDP in the world, and the best quality of life (Economist Magazine).

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Religion was still seen as a significant part (legitimately or not), and we see it as a victory.

Stop talking about all your mish-mosh protestant sects like they're some kind of group. The Pope is sooo much more organized than you guys. You don't stand a chance. SUBMIT TO THE PAPAL FURY!!!

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Originally posted by ICELAND:
N. Ireland should be part of Ireland. It's a fricking island, having 1/3 of it split off is stupid.

Thank you. The island belongs to the Irish, and though I disagree with the IRA and the Ulster's handing of the entire situation throughout its tumultuous history, I don't truly understand WHY Britain is holding so tightly onto this land.

Although, lifting the border would really create tensions between the British in N. Ireland and the Irish in Ireland. Oh well. That's what you get for being an imperialist *** in the 21st century.

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Originally posted by ICELAND:
but reactionary, you continue to maintain your air of ignorance by saying it's a victory for protestants, especially since the two religions there are so similar.

Religion was still seen as a significant part (legitimately or not), and we see it as a victory.

Yeah...like Dr. S said religion is not the main conflict...it's like saying the civil war was about which was better, IHOP or Waffle House. Ok maybe not to that extent, but reactionary, you continue to maintain your air of ignorance by saying it's a victory for protestants, especially since the two religions there are so similar.

N. Ireland should be part of Ireland. It's a fricking island, having 1/3 of it split off is stupid.

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Originally posted by riskbreaker86:
they were fighting a war against British occupation of N.Ireland, religion didn't enter the frame at all, only centuries ago when we shipped protestants over to gain a loyal foothold in Ulster. I am glad of the IRA surrender....it is great news for every Briton, perhaps now we can discuss the possibility of joint rule, and n.ireland can vote on the issue, just as the Gibraltese did, and vote to stay part of our Union, for who wouldn't.

Sounds good. May the United Kingdom last for a thousand more years.

they were fighting a war against British occupation of N.Ireland, religion didn't enter the frame at all, only centuries ago when we shipped protestants over to gain a loyal foothold in Ulster. I am glad of the IRA surrender....it is great news for every Briton, perhaps now we can discuss the possibility of joint rule, and n.ireland can vote on the issue, just as the Gibraltese did, and vote to stay part of our Union, for who wouldn't.

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Originally posted by reactionary05:
Sein Fein (think I spelled that right) is still a Catholic organization, therefore, their military wing is too. The Ulster Defense Force (the good guys) were Protestant, and these two groups did practically all of the fighting.

The motivation was never "Kill all Protestants". The whole conflict started with the Irish revolution, it's festering since that. Like I said before, even though religion is a very involved part, it's not at the core of the situation.

I'm also really pissed by Protestants and Catholics alike who take pleasure in hating the other side. You all follow the same fool religion, it makes it even more insane to fight over something that was solved hundreds of years ago. Go watch The Life of Brian.

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Originally posted by DrStrangelove:
You do realize that this was not so much a war of Catholics vs. Protestants as it was a group backed by Irish nationalism? The whole religion issue got tangled up in it and was used as motivation (Hmm, sounds like other terrorist movements.)

Sein Fein (think I spelled that right) is still a Catholic organization, therefore, their military wing is too. The Ulster Defense Force (the good guys) were Protestant, and these two groups did practically all of the fighting.

You do realize that this was not so much a war of Catholics vs. Protestants as it was a group backed by Irish nationalism? The whole religion issue got tangled up in it and was used as motivation (Hmm, sounds like other terrorist movements.)

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Originally posted by redrepublican:
At first glance, I thought it said 'IRS Gives Up'

They're next.

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Originally posted by DrStrangelove:

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Victory for Protestants everywhere!

Shut the hell up.

Proof that even with Catholics, terror don't pay. The best man won.

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Victory for Protestants everywhere!

Shut the hell up.

That is excellent. At first glance, I thought it said 'IRS Gives Up'