On May 17th Rosie O'Donnell compared the U.S troops to terrorists on "The View."

Here is the link to the video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789

Thoughts? Opinions? Anything on the subject?

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Originally posted by Saturnmoth007:
Rosie O'Donnell is a fucking moron. Who the hell cares what she thinks or says? our troops are not terrorists. she's an idiotic woman who lacks a brain and any degree of intelligence just like michael Moore. they open their big fat mouths and they don't know what they are saying, and they just say what they want to get popularity, money, and support for their meaningless causes and ideas. They thrive on stirring up the media and political world with their "radical" AKA empty and foolish, statements.

Could you explain what you said, like, reasons? Since when does radical equal "empty and foolish?"

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They thrive on stirring up the media and political world with their "radical" AKA empty and foolish, statements.

I agree, but ultra-liberals aren't the only ones to do that. Ultra-conservatives (Bill O'Reilly or Ann Coulter, anyone?) can be just as bad.

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P.S. YV, feel free to delete this.

No, I want for it to stay.

Rosie O'Donnell is a fucking moron. Who the hell cares what she thinks or says? our troops are not terrorists. she's an idiotic woman who lacks a brain and any degree of intelligence just like michael Moore. they open their big fat mouths and they don't know what they are saying, and they just say what they want to get popularity, money, and support for their meaningless causes and ideas. They thrive on stirring up the media and political world with their "radical" AKA empty and foolish, statements.

P.S. YV, feel free to delete this.

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When you're a foaming-at-the-mouth anything, nobody is really going to listen to you.

Large ammounts of foam and lies are what got us into this war in the first place. Foam only becomes smothering when the media also displays signs of rabies, so what really gives weight to someone's opinion is the mediatic exposure it gets.

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How did this go from Rosie O'Donnell to debating the war to gas prices? Wait, I don't want to know.

That was exactly what was on my mind, Clpo. I agree with you.

How did this go from Rosie O'Donnell to debating the war to gas prices? Wait, I don't want to know.

On the original topic, I'd like to point out that Rosie is an ultra-liberal. She has about as much credibility with regards to the war (vis-à-vis the troops) as any ultra-conservative (say, James Dobson) has on the topic of gay marriage. When you're a foaming-at-the-mouth anything, nobody is really going to listen to you.

Keith Olbermann rant on Bush and Democrats conceding

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Do you drive? I do and me and any else who does knows that this isn't a war for oil, cause gas prices are only going up.

It seems ilogical but this is precisely what corporations want. They get to sell their gasoline for a much higher price than before, the production costs have grown due to instability in the region, but prices of gas have grown even more, so infact, they are maximizing their profits with the price raises.
Do you think Shell, BP, or Exxon are going to lower prices because they now have acces to more oil? No! they would lose money if they did, the proof that this war is about oil is that prices are higher.
Think of it from a corporations point of view, what could be better for them than selling gas for 6$ or 7$ a gallon? A corporations objective is to make money and they're making tons of it right now, both through the infrastructure contracts the government grants them and the oil price raises.

k that's different and true

I understand that we need to drive most of the time. I'm talking about when you don't have to. For example, before I could drive I would walk to a friends house that was only 20 minutes walking and my dad would throw a fit and basically demand that he drive me. That's a waste of gas when I obviously could and had not problem walking.

it used to be feasible to walk however we've spread out in to a commuter society

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it's been 6 bucks for years in england, all my brit friends and aquiatences say the US should poney up and get used to it any way

Or stop being lazy and fricken walk.

It makes me sick how lazy people who can afford gas are.

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We'd see gasoline prices of $5 or $6;

it's been 6 bucks for years in england, all my brit friends and aquiatences say the US should poney up and get used to it any way

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not what I asked. I asked what you would do in their shoes, no weasling out, what would you do?

I wasnt trying to weasle out. I actually thought my answer was pretty clear in quoting, "Im not accusing soldiers of being monsters. In their circumstances it's a natural reaction to environmental factors." .. The word nature, refers to human behavior. I am as humas as them, and therefore meant that I dont blame them as individuals for their actions, as I or any other would possibly do the same thing in their situation. Aka, I dont hate the soldiers, I hate what the war is doing to them, and making them do.

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Do you drive? I do and me and any else who does knows that this isn't a war for oil, cause gas prices are only going up.

When in doubt, ask the experts. Red Cavaney, president of the industry trade group American Petroleum Institute--not left-leaning types--puts the blame squarely on the invasion of Iraq, where unrest and violence has reduced production to less than they were under Saddam in the world's second-largest supplier. Traders of oil futures fix the price per barrel based on their expectations of political stability, especially in the world's largest oil-producing nations. And they don't like what they see in Iraq. "As soon as you can stabilize the civil situation," says Cavaney, "[Iraq will] significantly be able to ramp up production. But it would take years."

The chart of the crucial "light sweet crude oil" futures index reads like a barometer of political tension in energy-producing hotspots. Oil, hovering around $27 a barrel in 2001, spiked to $38 when the United States went to war against Afghanistan--a potential oil pipeline route and neighbor to several large producers. It jumped from $33 to $40 in February 2003, just before the U.S. attack against Iraq. Insurgents have blown up pipelines and refineries there ever since, causing a steady climb to $76.

Adding to the high cost of crude oil, says former Louisiana senator and oil company lobbyist Bennett Johnston, is the Bush Administration's "saber rattling" against Iran. "We'd see gasoline prices of $5 or $6; crude oil above $100 if we bomb Iran," he predicts.

- Ted Rall, News Center

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Oh man! I can only imagine!!

she's got a very valid point (ltr does). I used to be an extremist arch-conservative. I'm a libertarian now. Though I hold very conservative views on things like defense. and very liberal views on things like gay marriage

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Maybe they are there to steal oil? Keyword: steal

Do you drive? I do and me and any else who does knows that this isn't a war for oil, cause gas prices are only going up.

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I have already stated that I dont hate the troops as individuals.

not what I asked. I asked what you would do in their shoes, no weasling out, what would you do?

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trivializing the lives of others as if they don't matter

Oh I care, I feel every civ death that happens, I hold the same shame all our boys do from incidents like Abu Graib and that little My Lai re-run. It's not that I don't value their lives (civs) It's just that I'm thankful for the lack of bloodshed on a civilian level. and the lack of casualties in our armed forces.

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This includes those that have died because they didn't have acces to proper medical treatment, drinking water, or anything else the war has significantly affected.
There probably is some truth to the figures you've given, but it's also probable that those figures don't include the people that have died because of the war's indirect influence.

I think the only way we can actually settle this is going to Iraq ourselves and counting graves because that's the only way we can really be sure.

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a lot of the vital objectives where questionable.

eh? like what? I'm not questioning that some vital objections were questionable (with rummy head in charge it's to be expected) I'm just asking for examples

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the infrastructure is practically destroyed and is being rebuilt at a snails pace, there's curfew, and people are subject to violence in their daily life.

sounds like inner city LA or Detroit to me. The only difference is we don't have soldiers on the streets in LA and Detroit (though LAPD may as well be a military service as hard core as some of those guys are)

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the city of Baghdad still physically exists,

which is what I meant. I do realise that it's a ravaged, shell of what was once a vibrant (if you don't the death squads draining life and color from the place) city. But it still exists on some level. If the US was in "overkill" mode then we wouldn't have troops on the ground in Iraq. Because there wouldn't be an Iraq to send troops to.

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does bagdahd still exist?

If you ask an Iraqi they will say that the city of Baghdad still physically exists, but that it is not baghdad.
Hundreds of thousand have left the city out of fear of being blown up by islamic terrorists or shot by marines, the infrastructure is practically destroyed and is being rebuilt at a snails pace, there's curfew, and people are subject to violence in their daily life.
That is not a place to live in, so the answer to your question is no. Baghdad still physically exists, but it is not actually baghdad as it should be or was in the past.

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The whole war has been precision tactical strikes by guided missles and stealth

I also like Movies and television but we all know this is far fromt he truth. The intended effort was to take out all vital objectives through precision strikes like you said, but in truth a large percentage of these strikes wheren't precise at all, and a lot of the vital objectives where questionable.

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indirect casualties(we destabilize a country, provoke a civil war, thousands die because of it)

This includes those that have died because they didn't have acces to proper medical treatment, drinking water, or anything else the war has significantly affected.
There probably is some truth to the figures you've given, but it's also probable that those figures don't include the people that have died because of the war's indirect influence.

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Heh. Knowing what I know about Amp I'd say you are wrong. That boy's come a long way.

Oh man! I can only imagine!! Amp, you are very assertive. I will give you that. lol