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Picture of Softball_chica08
Registered: December 19, 2004
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I know that this happened a long time ago...the whole scandal with Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. But now I have to do a report on it. and I was wondering...Do you think the government had right to spend all the money to make sure that Clinton was found gulity? Also, Do you think it's right of Clinton is be having an affair and not even get kicked out of office? Remember there affair was very serious...if you kids know what i mean Wink


This one time @ band camp....
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Registered: January 03, 2005
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From Whitehouse.gov:

"In 1998, as a result of issues surrounding personal indiscretions with a young woman White House intern, Clinton was the second U.S. president to be impeached by the House of Representatives. He was tried in the Senate and found not guilty of the charges brought against him. He apologized to the nation for his actions and continued to have unprecedented popular approval ratings for his job as president."

Not found guilty in the Senate.

FROM ABC-CLIO AMERICAN HISTORY database:

"Article I of the U.S. Constitution empowers Congress to charge, or impeach, and convict the president, the vice president, or any other civil officers of misconduct in office. Article II specifies that, if impeached for and convicted of treason, bribery, or "other high crimes and misdemeanors," those officers are to be removed from office. During the legal process of impeachment, the House of Representatives presents the charges, and the Senate holds the trial. Only two U.S. presidents, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, have been impeached, and neither was convicted."

Senate Impeachment Trials, 1789-2000
Year Official Position Outcome
1798-1799 William Blount U.S. senator charges dismissed
1804 John Pickering district court judge removed from office
1805 Samuel Chase Supreme Court justice acquitted
1830-1831 James H. Peck district court judge acquitted
1862 West H. Humphreys district court judge removed from office
1868 Andrew Johnson president acquitted
1876 William Worth Belknap secretary of war acquitted
1905 Charles Swayne district court judge acquitted
1912-1913 Robert W. Archbald commerce court judge removed from office
1926 George W. English district court judge charges dismissed
1933 Harold Louderback district court judge acquitted
1936 Halsted L. Ritter district court judge removed from office
1986 Harry E. Claiborne district court judge removed from office
1989 Alcee L. Hastings district court judge removed from office
1989 Walter L. Nixon Jr. district court judge removed from office
1999 Bill Clinton president acquitted



Just wanted to share some impeachment info with you all...


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Registered: March 31, 2005
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Wow. JFK was a player. But...um....were those all at the same time or spread out? Just wondering.


That's Bonanabizlry to you, mister.
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Clinton wasn't the only president to have a mistress or an affair. JFK had a handful.

Take a look...

Angie Dickinson & John F. Kennedy

Carrie Phillips & Warren Harding

Jayne Mansfield & John F. Kennedy

Mary Pinchot Meyer & John F. Kennedy

Nan Britton & Warren Harding

Judith Campbell Exner & John F. Kennedy

Inga Arvad & John F. Kennedy

William Rufus de Vane King & James Buchanan

Marion (Mimi) Fahnestock & John F. Kennedy

Blaze Starr & John F. Kennedy

Marilyn Monroe & John F. Kennedy

Lucia Gilbert Calhoun & James Garfield

Pamela Turnure & John F. Kennedy

Sally Hemings & Thomas Jefferson

Alice Glass & Lyndon B. Johnson

Lucy Mercer & Franklin D. Roosevelt

Kay Summersby & Dwight D. Eisenhower

Maria Halpin & Grover Cleveland
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Registered: September 28, 2001
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A person's personal life should be private. Was clinton impeached? NO. Should he have left office? NO.


Actually, um, he was impeached. Just because is president is impeached doesn't mean he is forced to resign. It was just that clinton was the only one so far who actually had the balls to stay (not saying that is a good or bad thing here, people).


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Registered: March 24, 2005
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the problem with the bill clinton this wasn't his actually having the affair, it was his lying about it. he basically got away with it though, despite everything that people went through to try to convict him.


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Which is worse: having an affair or basically starting a war?


That's Bonanabizlry to you, mister.
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Registered: January 10, 2005
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Ya have to admit though...debating the word "Is"...Classy. Big Grin


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Registered: January 03, 2005
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A person's personal life should be private. Was clinton impeached? NO. Should he have left office? NO. Why should he? Did it effect his governing power? Was the country moving smoothly at that time? Yes. DId he hurt his wife? Yes. (Hillary R. Clinton, D-NY) This happened in 1998. America needs to move on...this county has other problems and it is not that J. Aniston broke up w/ Pitt.


"When you pull on that jersey, the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back." Herb Brooks
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Registered: November 27, 2004
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That's funny. I seem to remember Clinton being the internationally respected President, and I honestly can't think of one country that did anything to indicate they viewed Clinton as a weak, temptation-driven man. Conventional international wisdom seems to suggest Bush is the screwy one, and seems to stick him with the stereotype of being an extremist American who cannot be strong and fight his own limited vocabulary.


I suppose I have no proof that they looked down on him, but you have no proof that they look down on Bush. Are we just supposed to take your word for the fact that the world hates him. I don't think I can do that in good conscience.


Yes there is proof:

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Poll reveals world anger at Bush

Eight out of 10 countries favour Kerry for president

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday October 15, 2004

George Bush has squandered a wealth of sympathy around the world towards America since September 11 with public opinion in 10 leading countries - including some of its closest allies - growing more hostile to the United States while he has been in office.
According to a survey, voters in eight out of the 10 countries, including Britain, want to see the Democrat challenger, John Kerry, defeat President Bush in next month's US presidential election.

The poll, conducted by 10 of the world's leading newspapers, including France's Le Monde, Japan's Asahi Shimbun, Canada's La Presse, the Sydney Morning Herald and the Guardian, also shows that on balance world opinion does not believe that the war in Iraq has made a positive contribution to the fight against terror.

The results show that in Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Japan, Spain and South Korea a majority of voters share a rejection of the Iraq invasion, contempt for the Bush administration, a growing hostility to the US and a not-too-strong endorsement of Mr Kerry. But they all make a clear distinction between this kind of anti-Americanism and expressing a dislike of American people. On average 68% of those polled say they have a favourable opinion of Americans.

The 10-country poll suggests that rarely has an American administration faced such isolation and lack of public support amongst its closest allies.

The only exceptions to this trend are the Israelis - who back Bush 2-1 over Kerry and see the US as their security umbrella - and the Russians who, despite their traditional anti-Americanism, recorded unexpectedly favourable attitudes towards the US in the survey conducted in the immediate aftermath of the Beslan tragedy.

The UK results of the poll conducted by ICM research for the Guardian reveal a growing disillusionment with the US amongst the British public, fuelled by a strong personal antipathy towards Mr Bush.

The ICM survey shows that if the British had a vote in the US presidential elections on November 2 they would vote 50% for Kerry and only 22% for Bush.

Sixty per cent of British voters say they don't like Bush, rising to a startling 77% among those under 25.

The rejection of Mr Bush is strongest in France where 72% say they would back Mr Kerry but it is also very strong in traditionally very pro-American South Korea, where fears of a pre-emptive US strike against North Korea have translated into 68% support for Mr Kerry.

In Britain the growth in anti-Americanism is not so marked as in France, Japan, Canada, South Korea or Spain where more than 60% say their view of the United States has deteriorated since September 11. But a sizeable and emerging minority - 45% - of British voters say their image of the US has got worse in the past three years and only 15% say it has improved.

There is a widespread agreement that America will remain the world's largest economic power.

This is underlined by the 73% of British voters who say that the US now wields an excessive influence on international affairs, a situation that 67% see as continuing for the foreseeable future.

A majority in Britain also believe that US democracy is no longer a model for others.

But perhaps a more startling finding from the Guardian/ICM poll is that a majority of British voters - 51% - say that they believe that American culture is threatening our own culture.

This is a fear shared by the Canadians, Mexicans and South Koreans, but it is more usually associated with the French than the British. Perhaps the endless television reruns of Friends and the Simpsons are beginning to take their toll.

· ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,008 adults aged 18 and over by telephone between September 22-23 2004. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.





http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/viewsofamerica/story/0,15221,1327568,00.html

to read more look at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/viewsofamerica/0,15220,1327191,00.html


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Registered: September 19, 2001
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I am forced to repost my origional post because you all seem incapable of understanding it:
"And another very mature reply from celtic.

The impeachment had nothing to do with his sex in office. It had everything to do with his felony crime of purjury. He lied under oath in a grand jury hearing and that, my friends, is against the law. That reflects on a president's ability to do his job.

I do think that his affair also reflects negetively on his ability to do his job, he leads us and should lead by example. That is most certainly not a good example. Leaders of other countries look down upon him for being the stereotype weak american who cannot be strong and fight tempation and does whatever he wants for his own pleasure. Children could not be allowed to watch the news, listen to the radio, or look at a news paper because of the s.mu.t (apparently a censorable word) that was now inserted in our daily lives.

I don't disagree with all of this policies, but his infidelity and sickening acts of sex (cigar up the...) have disgraced him and the country and left us with a scar for a long time to come.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC."


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Wow. So Clinton, like Presidents Washington through H.W. Bush before him and Dubya after him, lied to the American public. Simply amazing. Let's burn him at the stake!

Please see above for the response to this point, hint: "the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

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I have to agree with this. If a President is incapable of lying, he's going to be a terrible President. Being the leader of a nation requires an ability to successfully bluff and sometimes outright lie. In this case, Clinton outright lied. But as the little piece of bumper sticker wisdom goes, "No one died when Clinton lied."

Cute, quoting bumper stickers to attemt an intelectual point. Nice one. In response to this point please see above, hint: it's the same hint as before.

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That's funny. I seem to remember Clinton being the internationally respected President, and I honestly can't think of one country that did anything to indicate they viewed Clinton as a weak, temptation-driven man. Conventional international wisdom seems to suggest Bush is the screwy one, and seems to stick him with the stereotype of being an extremist American who cannot be strong and fight his own limited vocabulary.

I suppose I have no proof that they looked down on him, but you have no proof that they look down on Bush. Are we just supposed to take your word for the fact that the world hates him. I don't think I can do that in good conscience.

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In reality, all these parents wanted to do was turn Bill Clinton into a soap opera star and talk about his sex life.

So, you make a claim that people didn't care about their children hearing it, and that they were turned on and aroused by it at secrect "Bill Clinton Sex Conversations." This seems a little far fetched and disturbing to me. Maybe you should see a professional about your e.rot.ic thoughts. They don't really seem healthy


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
WJ
Registered: September 19, 2004
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Originally posted by WJ:
He should have been impeached for the Waco, Texas incident where he place US soilders in a time of peace outside a private residence thats against the constitution!


It was an FBI raid to investigate whether or not they had weapons.

And Koresh was sexually abusing children inside the compound.

yea and shouldnt that have been done by FBI and no US soilders?
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So his offense was being dragged in front of a sham court and being asked the questions, to which he was evasive at best, whereas the normal aduterer isn't the President and doesn't have Ken Starr after him and so is not so immoral just because he wasn't asked about it under oath?

Why again are you so riled up about his lying?

And why are you not angry about wasting 44 million dollars on a perjury charge where the end result was exactly zilch?

1. I don't see why you can say you don't care about the adultery. 2. I don't see why if adultery isn't that big of a deal, then why is lying about it a lynch-worthy offense?
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For once I'm with Bushsupporter. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Having sex with a whitehouse intern is immoral and disgusting but it does not warrant being removing from office. FDR and JFK also were notorious for committing adultery. And think, where would we be if those two men had been removed from office for adultery?


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Originally posted by WJ:
He should have been impeached for the Waco, Texas incident where he place US soilders in a time of peace outside a private residence thats against the constitution!


It was an FBI raid to investigate whether or not they had weapons.

And Koresh was sexually abusing children inside the compound.
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The thing I don't get is that Clinton was impeached for the whole affair thing, but a "normal" everyday Joe who goes to see a lady he's not married to instead of bowling is just slapped on the hand and handed some divorce papers. I thought we didn't worship our leaders. And don't give me any of this role-model crap. The best politicians are the worst role-models. They shouldn't have impeached him. What he was doing wasn't unconstitutional or anything of the like. Andrew Johnson was impeached for the same wrong reasons. He was impeached because he was doing legal things his opponents didn't like. Nixon, however, was lying to the nation, so his impeachment was justified.


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I see why he lied though. He was emabarassed that his personal life was exposed. It was after all a personal matter. It wasn't right what he did but that should've left between the people that it really affected. His wife is over it, so should everyone else.


I agree with you there Wink


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I see why he lied though. He was emabarassed that his personal life was exposed. It was after all a personal matter. It wasn't right what he did but that should've left between the people that it really affected. His wife is over it, so should everyone else.


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The only problem that i saw in the whole situation is that clinton lied about it. If it werent for that I dont think I would have given two ****s.
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He should have been impeached for the Waco, Texas incident where he place US soilders in a time of peace outside a private residence thats against the constitution!As for the scandel Bill Clintion is a disgusting human being period!
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