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Picture of benje309
Registered: January 03, 2005
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Reports: Saddam Hussein executed
Deposed Iraqi dictator hanged for deaths of 148 Shiites in 1982

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 9 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three years after he was hauled from a hole in the ground by pursuing U.S. forces, Saddam Hussein was hanged Saturday under a sentence imposed by an Iraqi court, al-Hurra TV, al-Arabiya and Sky News TV reported.

The deposed president was found guilty over the killing of 148 members of the Shiite population of the town of Dujail after militants tried to assassinate him there in 1982, during Iraq’s war with Shiite Iran.

The official witnesses to his execution gathered Friday in Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone in final preparation for his hanging, as state television broadcast footage of his regime’s atrocities.


Reactions? Future of Iraq? What do you think?


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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people, and most often Americans, seem to think the debate around his death revolves around his suffering, the method of his execution...and never seem to worry about the moral implication of the death sentance as a principle.

The argument isn't how he died, but whether he should have died.

In Turkey the death sentance was abolished, meaning life imprisonment for Abdul Ocalan, the captured Kurdish PKK seperatist leader...after this violence decreased and the PKK ceased to function the same again, giving not only a moral edge over the terrorist, but also a practical one.


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Registered: January 08, 2007
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I think that we all should just be happy that he's dead. He caused to much suffering, and now he can't (because he's dead) so why argue whether he should have died painfully and slowly or quick and... non-painfully?


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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It's the history of humanity. Do you honestly expect them to be compassionate?


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Registered: September 06, 2005
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But, two wrongs don't make a right and he's STILL A PERSON! Even if you think he doesn't deserve a quick and less painful death you're torturing a person to death, it's just as bad as what he did to all those people. It's along the same lines, the same fundamental hate and violence.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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He didn't deserve a quick and painless death.


But it was murder!

Not that I think that, but I couldn't just ignore the irony of a pro-life person condemning Saddam to a painful death.


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Registered: May 18, 2006
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Quicker and painless.

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Even a bullet to the head would seem less brutal than a hanging. Quicker and painless

Might I point out who we're talking about? The man is responsible for thousands of deaths. He didn't deserve a quick and painless death. I highly doubt the deaths he ordered were all quick and painless.


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Registered: February 05, 2005
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Requirement to becoming a wise adult

Funny how you give advice without having any actual experience.

Try going over what i wrote, but this time don't pay attention to the sarcasm brackets.


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Registered: December 13, 2006
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i support hanging because it is a violent and painful method of execution


still trying to figure out why this comment makes someone stupid...it's an opinion. Requirement to becoming a wise adult: learn how to respect others opinions instead of insulting them. In other words argue the issues.


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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sometimes people say things which are so utterly senseless it is justified to call them stupid, or an idiot.

For example, i hope Iran develops a nuclear weapon and drops it on America and Israel...because America has done great evil in the world and deserves it, and Israel is just as bad.

Senseless and immature.


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Registered: February 05, 2005
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[sarcasm]
i support hanging because it is a violent and painful method of execution, i hope it is endorsed in the US
[/sarcasm]
Roll Eyes need I say more? I've never gotten along well with strangelove, but usually everything he write's is well thought and informed, that was completely irrational and it surprised me coming from him.


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Registered: December 13, 2006
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Speed, tell everyone why you think DrStrangeLove is stupid for saying his opinion? But first, please try to answer the question without insulting anyone, thanks.


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Registered: February 05, 2005
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Hanging is, however, a very violent method of execution. This is one of the reasons why I think we should bring it back ass the main method of execution for our prisoners.

Regardless of our disagreances I thought you were smart. Guess I was wrong.


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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riskbreaker, people murder all the time, and to say it's barbaric, evil and all those other things make you a hypocrite. The only way not to murder (by action or inaction) is to starve. You eat, don't you? Because I'm not afraid to admit to murder. I love my meat, and I love my veggies.


i don't understand this argument, please explain..


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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riskbreaker, people murder all the time, and to say it's barbaric, evil and all those other things make you a hypocrite. The only way not to murder (by action or inaction) is to starve. You eat, don't you? Because I'm not afraid to admit to murder. I love my meat, and I love my veggies.


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20070101&hn=39609


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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No democratic state can maintain the moral high ground when it imposes the death penalty on its citizens, it is entirely wrong to take life, no matter who is on trial, no matter what they have done. Barbaric, evil, primitive and morally destitute.


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Registered: January 15, 2006
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According to Iraqi law, he should have been executed by bullet since he served in the military. And fuck them for executing him on the Eid and then trying to spin it like that made everyone in the Muslim world's day. They totally ruined MY day. I was not in the mood to watch a made being taunted and then killed on the Eid.

I don't for one second think that he didn't deserve to be executed, but I disagree with the way they went about doing it. And I definitely didn't expect them to film it and put images of it all over the internet. I dunno, it's just a very low thing to do. I know he was a killer and horrible guy, but when I see where Iraq was when he was in power and how it is now I don't think that the country is any better off with him gone. Sorry, but the whole thing sorta pisses me off.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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That's all he was convicted of? Killing 148 people? He was guilty of much more than that.


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Registered: September 06, 2005
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I'm sorry but A) I don't believe in the death penalty and B) I do think that it's primitive to kill someone by hanging them. Even if it was Saddam even HE doesn't deserve to die by hanging. I would rather put him in solitary for the rest of his life than kill him. I just don't think that hanging was necessary, they could've injected him w/ a solution that would've killed him right then.


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