Reactionary, it might surprise you to know that I was nominated to attend the NYLC to represent Washington. Did I accept? No. I don't have that kind of money readily at hand. Besides, spending time in Washington, D.C. with a bunch of stuck-up "young leaders" is not my idea of a fun time.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
(an educated Dr............yes reactionary...education...

And I'm told not to judge! The hypocrisy is deafening. Before you try to rip into my education, I was just appointed by Congressman Mark Kennedy as an "outstanding scholar" (their words) to represent Minnesota in October in Washington DC at the National Young Leader's Conference. Was anyone else appointed and accepted into that?

Congratulations. This doesn't mean your opinion is any more important than mine however.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
(an educated Dr............yes reactionary...education...

And I'm told not to judge! The hypocrisy is deafening. Before you try to rip into my education, I was just appointed by Congressman Mark Kennedy as an "outstanding scholar" (their words) to represent Minnesota in October in Washington DC at the National Young Leader's Conference. Was anyone else appointed and accepted into that?

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...books.

Actually, I've read 5 political books over 300 pages in the last 2 weeks.

communism is the failed attempt at relieving the world of socioeconomic classes. communism is not a government type, and it is not an economic system, it is both. communism is a society that, brought on by worker revolution destroys the burgeois (sp?) and levels out all wealth giving everyone the same deal. marx and engles believed "profit" meant somone was being screwed somewhere. If communism worked it would be a great system. but unfortunately people are too greedy and short sighted/selfcentered to let it work.

communism fails because of things like corruption (i am greedy i want more money) or lack of work ethic (why be a doctor when i can make the same $$ as a waiter?)

communism has never existed on this earth in a true form and never will. what we have seen to be "communist" were realy just systems where an authoritarian government took everyones wealth and used it for themselves, failing to redistribute it equally.

marxism-socialism (communism) was a very progressive idea at the time it was thought up (1800's). marx toured europe, saw and wrote up on the state of poor people in europe during the industrial revolutions. what he saw was atrocious. marx spawned this theory of society because he was witnessing the worst and wanted to fix it. in his system noone would starve to death, no work houses, no robbing of the working class.

this "trip" of Marx is similar to the trip that Che Guevara took around south america. Che looked at conditions of the poor and decided that it was atrocious, and so he (an educated Dr............yes reactionary...education...books) decided to follow communism and insight communist revolution in other places, blah yo know the story.

communism is popular in countries that are in the ****, because in light of their present situation, communism would be great.

unless you are a peasent farmer in some poor country or live in the lowest class of society, dont badmouth communism saying "ohh its evil, it cant work...blah blah"

it is easy to say that being an american that gets food on his or her table overy night. communism was not made to benefit people like you and me, it was not made because of peple like you and me.

too bad people are too big *******s to make communism work. it might have really helped some people in other countries who needed it.

Since reactionary is repeating quotes, I'll do the same.

Communism would be a great idea, if it weren't for humans.

"Communism only works in two places; Heaven where they don't need it and Hell, where they already have it."
-The Great Communicator

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while this is true that they used it as a means of control; they were not operating as communist.the goal of communism is a world without government and peoplem running themsleves on there values and beliefs at heart only.

Like someone said previously, Communism like will never work without some theological base. The problem here is that even then the system is doomed. Russia, China, North Korea, all had a pseudo-theological base. They created a "relgion of the state". Stalin, Mao, they all tried to make themselves as some sort of omnipotent figure. And they did brainwash millions into treating them as one.

Even if it has a true theology behind it, I still find that appaling. Not only then does it limit the ambition and oppurtunities for a citizen, but stifles his or or her mind with a blind faith. Any government that relies on a system like that is, in my opinion, an inferior one.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
Communism is Marxism-socialism
Russia and China just used communism as a means to controll its nations industry and exert a dictatorship. Those countries did(do) not fall in line with marx's beliefs.

while this is true that they used it as a means of control; they were not operating as communist.the goal of communism is a world without government and peoplem running themsleves on there values and beliefs at heart only.

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Originally posted by ironman07:
doesa anyone understand communism not the fomr demonstrated today but the theory of true communsim, im writing a book on it and i would like some people to read an excerpt and tell me what they think, its about 250 pages long so ill only give you an excerpt.

oh yea and update onmy writing its more like 583 pages now.

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I'd read it, ironman07.

I'm greatly intrigued by the idea of true communism. An idea that would be intersting to look at is Incas. They were a communistic society, and it worked.

My theory as to why that is, is because they believed that their emperor was a direct descendant of the Sun, the Sun God being the center of their religion.

Because of this theological center of communism, the Incas could make communism work, because the factor and variable of human nature was softened or even eliminated.

In Russian/Chinese/etc. communism, there isn't the theological factor, thus the people want more or less and don't want to work for it, as is only human. However, the Incas believed that their emperor was being very gracious in letting them have land, what more would you ask from a God?

Without the theological point, communism collapses, and it works all well on computer games, but in the real world, that's why communism doesn't work.

It's sort of how socialism would work if it was out of the goodness of everyone's hearts, not the government forcing them.

i have learned something new this day, i was unaware of the incans and there communistic style of government.

well interesting that this post has survived this long, also interesting how much all of you have to say on the subject good to kno there are still some people with enough brains to understand it on this planet.


well if you are interested in the next few months keep you eye out for a book called something along the lines of "growing up communist, or Life and communism" i havent decided a title yet, but you should be able to find t at a bookstore possibly if everything goes as planned right now,its being edited and then we will see...

Communism is Marxism-socialism

Marx and Engles invented communism. They put their own spin on socialism wh\ich went something like "blah blah blah, everything has its roots in class struggle blah blah blah"

they basically took socialism and turned it into a social equality thing appose to just a strict economic system. That is communism. He believed communist revolution could only take place in an industrialized country (russia was quite the suprise), and he thought ENGLAND would be first. Russia and China just used communism as a means to controll its nations industry and exert a dictatorship. Those countries did(do) not fall in line with marx's beliefs.

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Originally posted by ironman07:
doesa anyone understand communism not the fomr demonstrated today but the theory of true communsim, im writing a book on it and i would like some people to read an excerpt and tell me what they think, its about 250 pages long so ill only give you an excerpt.

i would be interested to read this. although i do not know much about communism, i would be interested to hear your ideas and the information you'll share in your book.

let me know.

What I believe Brehon is trying to say is that Marxism, as is the idea put forth by Karl Marx in "The Communist Manifesto" as well as the social justice underlying his other works, is what should be considered the good idea, not Communism. Communism, as occurred in Russia and China, is not the idea that Marx had imagined. For example, the Communist Manifesto was directed towards Germany first, and certainly Russia last. This is because Germany had a larger working class at the time that could successfully achieve Marx's worker's revolution. Marx envisioned a strong middle class dominated society, not a strong lower class society. Russia's revolution was carried out by lowly peasant's who lacked the necessary requirements and skills to bring Marx's view to fruition.

Pure Marxism is the principle that led to the failed reality that was Communism. Brehon states this point beautifully. Greenleaf771, if you want, the Manifesto is less than 100 pages long and will cost you less than five dollars to purchase. I would highly suggest reading it to better clarify this issue. However, it can be a bit of a challenging read. Nonetheless, you'll be able to better appreciate why Russia and China could never hope to support Marxism the way it was originally conceived.

 if you download music, you are downloading communism. 

bauhaus, could you explain what you just posted?

if you download music, you are downloading communism.

Could you expand on that?

Ahh, but it wasn't the communism that was the idea was it? It was Marxism which was the good idea, and communism the failed reality.

Communism has to be the best political system ever created. Of course, it doesn't work. But it was a great idea! Just like "real hippies" of today. It's a great theory and I'd love to join them, but then all the important stuff kicks in, like healthcare, etc. Communism would be great if humans weren't so corrupt.

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No, there's the group that encompasses religion and philosophy. They're not neccessarily related.

Can be. But not neccesarily.

There's a group that called "Literature, Poetry and Philosophy". That what you mean? It's right under spirituality.