No, there's the group that encompasses religion and philosophy. They're not neccessarily related.

should there be a forum for just philosophy threads? beyod sprittuality that is.

This isn't about politics, jam003. This is about the philosophy of true communism, which I find fascinating. Philosophy just intrigues me. I love it.

sorry.. but I hate politics.

and as the qoute says human nature when exposed to power and money is to hold on to that power and money and aquire more power and money.

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Originally posted by hubbabaloo:
I think it's anonymous.

Yeah, he had some great quotes.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
yup "power corrupts absolute power corrupts absoulutely" I cna't remeber who said that.

I think it's anonymous.

Agreed yogore. Man, I don't agree with you often, but I think that's the pin-point of it.

yup "power corrupts absolute power corrupts absoulutely" I cna't remeber who said that.

That's true. Human nature kicks in.

but doesn't work in practice

Communism is really appealing in theory.

really out of curiosity how old must you be to join the KKK? I don't really care but it's a good comparison

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
did you know that you cant join a nazi or communist party until you turn 21?

I didn't know that. Interesting tidbit. Not that it'd ever be important.

did you know that you cant join a nazi or communist party until you turn 21?

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
Communism: The Perfect Society requiring every one to be a goody two shoes and not abuse the trust that every one must have in each other essentially a group of such people sacrficing personal needs for the good of the community in other words a pie in the sky dream beacause humans in general aren't that good

Exactly. Utopia.

Let's put it this way:

Anyone read "Utopia?" (If you haven't you should, it's a fascinating book). All the same, Utopia, of which Thomas More said, "...there are many things in the Commonwealth of Utopia that I rather wish, than hope to see followed in our government," Utopia was a communism.

There is virtually no way Utopia would work, because it requires taking out the factor of human nature, and the same with communism.

Communism: The Perfect Society requiring every one to be a goody two shoes and not abuse the trust that every one must have in each other essentially a group of such people sacrficing personal needs for the good of the community in other words a pie in the sky dream beacause humans in general aren't that good

Oh, I know Celtic, but in theory, the same societies would work.

I'm just saying it can't work, because having the theological point, because of our integrated world of today, just isn't happening.

Yeah, but the Incas were looooooong ago, society changes....

I'd read it, ironman07.

I'm greatly intrigued by the idea of true communism. An idea that would be intersting to look at is Incas. They were a communistic society, and it worked.

My theory as to why that is, is because they believed that their emperor was a direct descendant of the Sun, the Sun God being the center of their religion.

Because of this theological center of communism, the Incas could make communism work, because the factor and variable of human nature was softened or even eliminated.

In Russian/Chinese/etc. communism, there isn't the theological factor, thus the people want more or less and don't want to work for it, as is only human. However, the Incas believed that their emperor was being very gracious in letting them have land, what more would you ask from a God?

Without the theological point, communism collapses, and it works all well on computer games, but in the real world, that's why communism doesn't work.

It's sort of how socialism would work if it was out of the goodness of everyone's hearts, not the government forcing them.