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What is crazy to me is that the "founding fathers" that came over here wanted to escape religious persecution, so that they could start pushing their religious (as well as everything else) beliefs on other people.

It's been the same way since the begining of time. All people believe they're right and everyone else is wrong. They then go and try to convince the "wrong" to convert to being "right". If that doesnt work then they kill them. (if you don't belive me, look at almost any war that has ever happened) It has always been that way and most likley always will be that way. Sooner or later you'll have to get over it.

I hate to sound like such a pessimest(sp?) but thats how it is.

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Originally posted by Holliewood:
What angers me the most is when I come across people who think that what they know is the end all be all, the truth, what is right. The Europeans that came over to settle and the natives that had lived there for many many years had different perspectives. Are you going to be the one to judge which one was right?

Amp passed no judgment on which was right or wrong. He simply said that we live by a survival of the fittest attitude, which we do, and the Native Americans "lost." The Europeans gave them diseases, violence, and slaughter. But of course, most major countries don't develop in a flurry of rainbows and bunny rabbits.

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What is crazy to me is that the "founding fathers" that came over here wanted to escape religious persecution, so that they could start pushing their religious (as well as everything else) beliefs on other people.

See that's just wrong. The founding fathers used a similar moral compass to shape this nation, and even allowed for all religions to be practiced. Their personal beliefs barely factored in. They all checked and balanced each other.

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Do I even need to get started on the fact that there was slavery? or that women were still denied of rights? This country was not founded on freedom...it was most certainly founded on selfish ignorance.

Slavery, which began hundreds of years ago, and still occurs in places in the world. Women were denied rights, yet this country is extraordinary enough that hundreds of years of oppression couldn't stop it from giving these women these rights anyway.

This country was founded on the idea of freedom and equality. The definitions and ideas that surround those things have changed in the last 200+ years.

your constant use of the word moron and your "perspectives" amuse me to no end...

What angers me the most is when I come across people who think that what they know is the end all be all, the truth, what is right. The Europeans that came over to settle and the natives that had lived there for many many years had different perspectives. Are you going to be the one to judge which one was right?

What is crazy to me is that the "founding fathers" that came over here wanted to escape religious persecution, so that they could start pushing their religious (as well as everything else) beliefs on other people. Do I even need to get started on the fact that there was slavery? or that women were still denied of rights? This country was not founded on freedom...it was most certainly founded on selfish ignorance. I suggest you read up on how the Native Americans were "defeated". I can start you off: disease, deceit, and misunderstandings. The world is much more complicated than survival of the fittest. You're gonna have to go much deeper than that if you are going to try to sound like a know-it-all.

I'm glad you're all patriotic and everything. Good for you, really...but I like trying to have different "perspectives" on things. When you start putting yourself in other people's shoes and begin questioning what is put in front of you, then you can start calling people morons. But hopefully by that time, you will realize how stupid that makes you sound anyway.

heh your response amuses me to no end.

From a natural perspective it's survival of the fittest and obviously the natives were not the most fit or they would have kicked large amounts of european tail all the way back to their home nations.

From my perspective as a Patriotic American however your statement is completely moronic because this is the land of the free, unless bush has been named king while I wasn't looking

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
the ignorant morons who make statements like the below

wtf?

ok, well then its my turn again. How about arrogant idiots who don't know what the *&^% they are talking about. And then make blantant attacks on people without even understanding what a statement even means. Here's some advice that you're not going to take: If its over your head, then accept the fact that you are an ignorant moron and move along.

The Roman Emperor Caligula was quite a crazy cat. He made his horse a senator, enjoyed romping in the bedroom with his sisters (although I guess for that time it really wasn't THAT weird), ordered about things he could not control, such as the Sun, setup brothels with the wives of his Senators (except for his horse, I guess), enjoyed a nice, light brunch while watching a mid-day execution and also, now and then for kicks, I think he liked to starve his people and watch them become skeleton-esque. I'm pretty sure he was a man into the big orgies as well, the ones that are like 500 people. What a guy.

the ignorant morons who make statements like the below

the ignorant europeans that came here to form America, "the land of the free"

The President was Reagan, the person who made the statement was Alexander Haig who was the Chief of Staff not speaker of the house.

we have a politician called laloo prasad yadav in india..he isnt dead yet unfortunately...
he has many criminal cases against him and was the chief minister of a state called bihar until recently..has i think some 13 children..crores of rupees in fodder scams...easuily some 200 criminal cases against him...stole like a 100 cars for his daughters wedding..murders anyone who goes agianst him..its amazing how one person can keep getting away with everything all the time....

Mmmm... yeah he was good

Very true. He was a brilliant man..but I much prefer Hamilton.

Heh he did read though and I can not fault him for that

Sooo then it was pretty pointless of you to post, right? If you're not going to add anything constructive, just leave the thread alone.

Jefferson was just a pussy. Yeah, let's be a country of small, independently-owned farms, that'll work out great. So while the industrial countries skyrocket..we'll just..grow...vegetables.

Who cares? They're dead. They did bad. They can't anymore.

Sorry I just don't care about dead presidents. Merp. bored

yeah I like george Jefferson raped to many slaves to be really cool morally also jefferson was not an ass kicker

This is true.

But I still like him more than I like Jefferson.

had bad teeth and a thing for chopping wood to.

I doubt George Washington's IQ would've been very high. Brilliant general, not so brilliant everywhere else.

merp. I searched lowest IQ in google and all it gave me were sites about it. Like hundreds. It made me laugh one laugh. Just thought it seemed silly... made my day a little more amusing than it already is.