Screw animal rights. Animals don't get rights, and htey don't need them. When you try to give animals the rights of humans, its just insane. Eating animals is 100% natural, its what they were meant for. Who gives a damn how they're killed? The more they're beat, the better we eat. Animals serve one purpose in life if we don't kill them, and that's to eat. "Save the animals so they can EAT!". Yeah, right. People who don't eat meat just make the animal's death pointless. Besides, vegetarians only protest killing animals when its convenient. They KNOW that thousands of animals (rabbits, voles, moles, etc.) are killed during the harvesting of grains. And they KNOW that we often sponser hunts to cut down on animals (like deer) so they dont eat our crops. If they really were concerned about killing animals, they would buy their own land and harvest their own vegetables. There is NOTHING wrong with eating meat, so dig in.

man... i can't believe i missed all of this!!!
i see the AR wackos still aren't making anysense..
i also see that people are still confusing animal rights with animal welfare... if i only had time to go back and address all the BS spouted off in here.. but i would be here for days straight..

my favorite is all the vegans that don't grasp the fact that their diet causes more suffering in the animals it kills than a meat eaters diet does.. also to the person that is clueless about animal training.. you are referring to an ANKUS or bull hook.. and it is not used to beat or tear at elephants skin.. another PETA lie.. true a few idiots do it, but not the majority of trainers..

oh and yes, monkeys and apes of certain spoecies do kill for no real reason.. they will also envade other animals territory just to attack them yet never use the animals land for anything..

man i got to keep checking on this thread...

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The justification of slavery was that blacks had no sense, no logic, no reason. Therefore the mistreatment of them was fine. Infact slave owners didn't view it as mistreatment, they viewed it as the execution of biblical texts. Antebellum south referred to the the bible to justify slavery.

Today its considered fine to mistreatment animals (slaughter them for food) because " they can't reason nor can they talk". They can't express their pain to us in words therefore, that must mean that their is NO pain for them to exress! We even justify the unhealthy diet meat by the biblical texts " Dominion over animals".


despite how much you try to connect the two, slavery and animals have absolutly nothing to do with each other. yes, slavery was very wrong. people get that message. abusing animals is wrong, people get that message too. im very aware that animals can feel pain, and that they have feelings, but its just ridiculous for them to have equal rights as us!

and if we dont kill animals for food..what are we going to eat??? plants?? yes...we'll eat plants but the thing is, if the entire world is on a vegan diet, theyre wont be any vegetaion left. and some people cant live without meat. i kno someone who tried to become a vegan but after 2 weeks she would break out in hives from the lack of meat. to stop slaughtering animals and to give them equal rights is just plain stupid, especially when they wont even be able to acknowledge the fact that they have rights.

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Today its considered fine to mistreatment animals (slaughter them for food) because " they can't reason nor can they talk". They can't express their pain to us in words therefore, that must mean that their is NO pain for them to exress! We even justify the unhealthy diet meat by the biblical texts " Dominion over animals".

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If were not supposed to eat Animals why are they made out of Meat?

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Oh and Cows arn't going to find a cure for cancer.

The justification of slavery was that blacks had no sense, no logic, no reason. Therefore the mistreatment of them was fine. Infact slave owners didn't view it as mistreatment, they viewed it as the execution of biblical texts. Antebellum south referred to the the bible to justify slavery.

Today its considered fine to mistreatment animals (slaughter them for food) because " they can't reason nor can they talk". They can't express their pain to us in words therefore, that must mean that their is NO pain for them to exress! We even justify the unhealthy diet meat by the biblical texts " Dominion over animals".

first of all I am black. Second of all, I wasn't saying blacks were animals. The point of that quote, and its relevance to our message board is this : In the 1880's people viewed blacks as being incapable of reason, or communication skills. Even with this misconception, the Jeremy Bentham focused on what was most important. THe slaves ability to feel. That's what I think we should do nowadays for animals. Their ability to express their feelings to us in words is inconsequential. Whats more important, is if they can feel pain. Which they can. Because of this, we need to widen our circle of compassion for these beings. On the sole basis of their sentience! YOu must remember many mentally incapacitated people can't reason or express their pain in words( only cries, grunts or facial expressions, which might "reduce" their communication skills to that of an animal). Even though they can't perform this tasks, that doesn't decrease their level of sentience. They can still be happy, sad, in pain or comfortable. Experimenters don't resort to testing products on the mentally incapacitated, right? Of course not, because they STILL feel pain regardless of their developmental inabilities.

YOu are exactly right we are the dominant spices on this planet

i believe there is a line between animal rites and just being stupid. im not one of those ppl who wont eat a burger cuz it came from a cow, but i believe you shouldnt beat animals and just basically treat them really badly. i think its ok to eat meat cuz thats what God put animals here for, just dont mistreat them. thats not cool for them.

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No, it's ignorant people like u who are the reason for the rise in hate crimes. *ta*ta


ok yes i am ignorant but i wouldnt commit a crime... yer just bein silly

No, it's ignorant people like u who are the reason for the rise in hate crimes. *ta*ta
-Danielle SMILE BRIGHTLY

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You poeple who don't get it make this world miserable!



its ppl like you who fill our mental hospitals...

I'm so sorry to be posting again. But what do u mean rabbits and mice and guinea pigs feel less pain. They feel just as much as the "cute little dogs and cats." Just b/c they might not be the cutest thing in the world doesn't mean that they should suffer. You disgust me
-Danielle

I don't think that she was really saying blacks were animals. I think she was saying that it's hypocritical to say that blacks deserve rights b/c they can suffer but animals who also suffer must suffer? I think people are higher than humans, definitely, and I don't believe in giving them equal rights like us, sorry but I don't think they should really vote. However, they do deserve respect. In the Japanese war when Americans were POW's there, the Japanese performed vivisection on them. That's where they cut u open w/o any medication and open up ur organs. NO!! that is not right, yet we complain about that but then we support doing the same things to animals? They'll lock monkeys up in chairs and I've seen videos of them screaming in pain? How on earth is that right? Yes, we ate animals back then for survival b/c we had to, but it was also less cruel. Now a days there are a billion factory farms that cut of chickens beaks and the people stomp on top of pigs and throw chickens around so there wings are broken. Our environment is also going to Hell b/c those factory farms dump A LOT of crap into the rivers. I would think that if we are so intelligent we would know to stop this. But we haven't, somethings have improved but animals are still tested on for MAKE UP and HAIRSPRAY and I'm so sorry but NOOOOOOO!! that's not exceptable. I can understand the disagreements over doing it for medical reasons such as cancer even though I don't support that. But still, animals aren't exactly like us and in 1996 or sometime over 1,000 people in the US died (including little kids) b/c of a drug that was tested on animals and was proved to be safe. Isn't that saying something? Isn't it? And chimps are supposedly our closest ancestors and what do we do to them, infect them w/ HIV/AIDS so we can find a cure. I don't think that's fair, and half these animals aren't running around happy, they're locked up. So we're smarter then them and that gives us the right to test drugs on them. Well some of those chimps happen to be smarted then some kids who are severly mentally retarded. Are u saying we should test on them? I certainly hope not. Of course I'm pretty sure that they used to do that a long time ago. We are in a time now were we don't need to eat animals or test on them. We have greater technology and we're moving forward. We just have to work for change and not give up or be violent about it (hopefully).
-Danielle

What all of these animal activist forget is the number one rule of nature: Survival of the fitest. In this case the "fitest" species would be humanity. And do you think that if the roles were reversed (lets say...lions were the dominant species) wouldn't these animals that you are trying to protect act in the exact same way, if not worse, than humans?

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"The question is not 'can they reason?',
nor, 'can they talk?' but rather, 'can they suffer?' " - Jeremy Bentham 1882 ( referring to newly bought black slaves in France)

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how DARE you compare black slaves to animals. you are just going too far with this Vegan.

stop worrying about the animals we eat and think about the endangered animals that actually need help.

To begin, in my opinion, we humans, are the visitors in this great big world. The world really belongs to the animals and plants and all of the wonderous creatures in between. I understand that we are the more intelligent beings on this earth with thumbs (making us capable of picking up and holding things), and being able to communicate with each other (which I believe that animals and some other beings can also communicate with each other, but we humans think too highly of ourselves to slow down and try to understand the wonderful beings that we currently "share" the world with). "Humans" are not the only "humane" thing on this earth. Why we call her "Mother Nature" is for many reasons, but also because she was here first...the baby comes from the mother, and we came from everything on the earth before us. We have taken the earth and nature away from the actual "Mother Nature", which in my opinion includes everything from the weather to the ocean to the plants to the animals to the o-zone layer. We came here as "visitors" but now we are taking it all away. We care too much about ourselves and don't take any time to stop and think about what we can all do to make this earth a better place for the "humans" and the other beings, of course not, because it's all about us, us us us. We Burn down some animals' homes (trees and others) to make paper that we all waste anyways and then that ends up being thrown out somewhere killing other animals because of chemicals or objects in the garbage. We also use products for something so petty like our hair that destroy the o-zone layer. To get to the point, we have no right at all to be taking these beautiful creatures from Mother Nature and testing things on them just to see if they are ok for us stuck on ourselves humans. As you can see, I feel very strongly about this subject. However, I will stop there. There are many other things that I would like to say but I will refrain from doing so. Thank you very much for letting me voice my opinion on this subject and thank you very much for reading it.

Put yourself in the aimals shoes, would you like to be tested on? I would think NOT! You poeple who don't get it make this world miserable!

I agree with some of you that if animals eat other animals why shouldn't WE eat them? Also, as much as I hate to admit this, animal testing does a lot of good for humans. I wish there was some other way, it must be awful for them, but it is better than harming humans. I still think that they have the right to be treated well though, animals should be taken care of, or at least killed in a humane way so they don't feel any pain (which is why I hate animal testing).

Animal rights, lol. I'm thinking about starting an organization of my own- PUTA, or People for the Unethical Testing of Animals. Animal rights is a load of bs. Animals dont have rights, nor do we need them. We are the dominant spices on this planet, and we should enjoy it. Every time I see a PETA person, I just laugh at 'em. Have you seen the way they kill animals? Looks fine to me, and it tastes even better. Well, I dont know about you all, but I'm gonna start eating alot more meat these days.

Animals have alot of rights considering alot of them would murder and eat us given the chance. Wouldnt it be amusing if a vegan or a member of peta got eaten by a bear. Id laugh anyway. But i digress.

Humans act incredibly decently to animals if you consider that we are carnivourous, yet preserve and protect their habitat, while killing them for food in humane ways