Question:
According to a well-known philosopher, Alison Jaggar, there are 4 main categories of feminism. So before you suddenly say. "I am not a feminist" (because you think it means you're a feminazi) read these:

Liberal feminism - The most basic of all feminist ideologies. There is equal opportunity in the law to change social position, as well as an absence of all legal constraints to hinder women (makes discrimination illegal).

Marxist feminism - Adds on to Liberal feminism, but calls in economic theory as well, but still somewhat rudimentary. In the sense of equality, there is an approximate equality in the satisfaction of material needs. It also calls for freedom from the coercion of economic necessity.

Radical feminism - Adds on to the other two, but puts forth *radical* biological freedom and equality. First, it says that women, like men, should not need to have children (but can still choose to). Second, they should be free to have close relationships with children without having to bear them.

Now, this might be the point where you think these are the "feminazis" which may be true, but there is still one more:

Lesbian separatism: Basically just what it says; females fight the male supremacy by not particpating in heterosexual relationships, which may very well end human civilization (if need be).

So where do you fall? What do you believe are the strengths and weaknesses in each of Jaggar's classifications of feminism?

Choices:
Liberal feminist
Marxist feminist
Radical feminist
Lesbian separatist
I'm not any of these; women and men were created differently and should therefore be treated differently.

 

sounds good...

actually let's just not start this one again I'm really sick of refighting it (6 times in 05 and twice already this year)

Oh boy...do we have to start this discussion again? Where to begin?

Eh...I started typing up a response, but it's 12:43 (after midnight, I don't know if that's am or pm...) and I can't see straight...tomorrow?

Wome should not be on the front lines or in SF (the only two places that women are not allowed in the military and if they really want to they can fly combat helos and get actions that way)
It's not because women are built with less muscle mass than men it's a psych thing on both sides. To start women in general are alot more emotional than men, this makes the transition from normal human to killing machine much harder for them. Next in POW situation males insitnctively want to protect females so if a SEAL team with a few female members is captured the interrogaters will beat/rape the hell out of the women as a way to torture the males who will break and spill most likely to protect the females.

There's a whole list of other reasons, I'll dig them up later

I think feminism (and masculinism) are entirely essential in society. Go meagan78! Masculinism is equality for men who are screwed over by the justice system.

I bought the first season from itunes. You can probably get a good deal through an independent seller on amazon.com.

Yeah, if college WAS a way to avoid the draft it would be OBVIOUS classism.

Yes, I did hear about the movie. I'll believe that when I see it, although if it does happen it would be great! I like when all the loose threads are tied up...

They are totally overpricing the DVD...that makes me mad. They split all 18 episodes into 1-10 and 11-18 and are selling each "half" for $30.

Only the first part is out now...I bought mine on ebay for $16.10 with shipping...I suggest if you are planning to buy it, you just buy it online, save about 50%...

I was thinking about it and if the draft is ever reinstated then college couldn't be a way to avoid the draft. Sort of random thought.

Meagan, did you hear that ABC is probably going to make a commander in chief tv movie? It's not as good as continuing the series, but it's better than nothing.

I would love to have this never be an issue...but if it does...

I think it would be acceptable to draft women. As long as we would be able to ensure that no child has both parents drafted, I do not see how it would be an issue. Even in the case of a draft, there are still certain physical requirements which would exclude those not physically able to meet the demands of the military. There may be fewer women who meet these requirements than men, but then there are those who would excel as well.

Meagan, what are your thoughts about having women drafted (if there is a draft)?

Ok, so are you also asking whether women should be included in the draft as well?

As far as the military perspective goes, it is a little bit more complicated. When you talk about equality on a political, social, and economic standpoint, there is really no biological issue involved. Both sexes are capable of being intellectuals in society. But in the military, the issue of strength is a huge one. Front lines are part of strategy and placement. Let's be realistic, women can be strong, but men have more of an advantage b/c they are built with more muscle mass. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be equality in the military, but I think we should make our decisions based on what is wise in the military instead of trying to get an equal amount of women and men on the front lines.

And as far as the draft, I believe its fair to include all citizens, even though I don't believe in the draft to begin with. And also considering that it was men who came up with the whole concept of war, and most political leaders in this world are men, it would just be ironic to be making women fight their battles.

It came up in commander-in-chief...I'm assuming you weren't watching it? Anyway, on the show, the military was having a fit when the Prez was pushing for this amendment because it would require equality within the military. This would involve women on the front lines, etc...

What? Seriously, I have no idea what you're asking me.

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It should happen, just to prove a point (at this point)

What do you all think of the military aspect of the ERA, the points made by the general in CIC?

Lmfao...

It's hard to be female and not be a feminist. It's just a shame that there is a whole taboo and negative connotation associated with the word. I mean basically all it is is the "belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes." Unless you prefer men to have better as well as more opportunities in society than women, then its difficult to say that you're not a feminist.

I mean, what is so wrong with that? The only people who give it a bad rap are those who are just angry at the inequality and treatment of women. And can you really blame them? When you get disrespected, is it not in our nature to defend ourselves. Seriously, you gotta stand up for yourself b/c you can't depend on others to do that for you. And basically, women just got fed up with (and still are) from all the stereotyping, put-downs, and inferior placement in this country (and world). I'll admit, it makes me angry when I start thinking about it. But then I realize how looked down upon it is to get yourself enraged at this kind of thing. I'm not supposed to get pissed about women being inferior, I'm just supposed to keep my cool and be patient with our gov't while it slowly "improves" our lives. Psshh... how ridiculous is that? I don't give a shit if some "badass motherfucker" thinks he's the shit and calls me a freakin feminist. Don't tell me I'm a feminist like its a bad thing. I'll punch you in the face! What am I supposed to do? Just sit back and say "suuuure, why would I want any rights? It's not like I'm human anyway. I mean, childbirth inhibits everything. You can't have a baby and think at the same time, that would just be absurd! Having boobs and not having a dick totally means that I don't have the brain capacity to handle stuff like math, science, and writing. What am I thinking? Oh, right, I forgot, I can't think. At least, not as well as men can." eergh...sorry, this whole thing is gettin me mad b/c its all BS and makes me wanna punch out all of Congress as well as all those fuckers from the 17, 18, 19, 20...hell! all the centuries! God people suck I'm goin to bed!

It should happen, just to prove a point (at this point)

It's sad isn't it? My mother is part of the generation that is shocked that the ERA has not been ratified.

I really think I had a negative view of modern-day feminists until my mother explained her thoughts on feminism to me and she really changed my mind. Now, I consider myself a feminist.

Hmm...I'm sensing a letter writing campaign...

I doubt many of our male leaders would make something like this a priority...as we saw in CIC, it can kill your numbers...