I have been confused about the topic system until now. Please ignre my likewise titled topic in this formum.

So far, I have been getting that homosexuality is a sin because it is not the normal sexual orientation. Stop me when I'm wrong, or if you have a different reason.

I would have to agree that homosexuality is abnormal. But I just mean that it's not the norm - I don't mean that it is unnatrual.

My question is: does homosexuality hurt anybody besides Jesus or God? Is there any reason to say that it is a crime or than that the bible says so?

If homosexuality is a sin simply because it is unusual, then I hereby declare lefthandedness, vegetarianism and mismatched socks-wearing to be equivalent sins and punished accordingly.

wow now i've known 3 decent christians. well 4 maybe. whoop.

I dont know who you are supersmartie3, but we have a lot in common when it comes to what we believe, you sould check out the debates going on in spirituality....

I am inclined to believe too that God is all loving and all knowing. And that homosexuals did not choose to be homosexuals anymore than i chose to be straight. I am a girl and was born attracted to men, so it only goes to reason that they were BORN attracted to the same sex.

oh and no you probably cant ask all that without being killed...Most christians just cant come to grips with a God that isnt hatefull, mean, condeming.....
Why would God create us just to set up standards no person can meet so he could damn us to eternal hell......That just would not make sence. And as I have said in other boards
I think the Bible was written as a scare tactic to keep people in line, and it worked, the writers of the Bible probably did believe in what they wrote, but it just isnt logical for God to create and love us just to destroy us.

you know what I think Gods plan for homosexuals is?

TO TEACH LOVE AND TOLERANCE.

Can i ask something without getting killed? If the bible is the human manifestation of God, couldn't the people who wrote it changed things for their own purposes?
I have a problem trusting the bible because when you think about it, God says the Jews are his people, how can Christians follow the bible and say they are going to heaven? There are a reason Christian calls themselves Christians and not Jews, so therefore aren't they not going with what God wants from his people? It just doesn't make sense to me. In my mind, I believe God loves us all, equally. And how can He not? We come from him. If someone kills themselves, how can He not extend his arms and bring that person into eternal peace? If someone loves someone else, all their life, why are they not allowed into heaven? because they don't fall into the status quo or the suggested model?
I also believe that God is all knowing, so when he creates us, he knows exactly how we are going to come out, so if he didn't want people to be interested in the same sex, wouldn't he not have created us?
My question is if there are so many different understandings of God, who's right?
To me, and you don't have to agree, but to me, I think that there is a heaven and hell, there is God and there is Satan, but the only way to get into hell is to be uncompassionate. The only way to be sentenced to hell is to have killed someone and feel no remorse or to have been completely uncaring towards everyone.

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Yes. First, It IS written in
the bible that wedding binding two people together can
only happen between a man and a woman.

Actually, that's one man and as many women as he can afford. If anyone's actually read the bible then they'd know that we shouldn't get our marriage advice from it.

scientists have found homosexual penguins.

I'm ALL FOR homosexuality but you asked a question.

Yes. First, It IS written in
the bible that wedding binding two people together can
only happen between a man and a woman.

Second, There's a bigger chance of passing on STDs.
Think about it because I would rather not
explain that whole practice.

Thirdly, If so many people feel so strongly about it
that they would KILL, why even bother with it?
Just let it go.

I never understood how homosexuality is a choice. Does this mean we choose our sexuality? If so I never made that choice I just always liked men.

I think people don't understand that the attraction to a certain sex is not a choice however it is your choice to act on those feelings.


I was wondering if Christians just consider gay sex to be immoral (as they generally frown upon all sexual intimacy) or if it is just the act of loving another of the same sex in a romantic way.

I don't know. Who honestly cares? I never understood how people could get so riled up about the silliest things. I don't care about an issue unless it interrupts my everyday life.

NO NO NO i'm bi and LBTQ is naturel and NORMAL god loves his Lesiban ,Stright, Gay , Bi transgender childen. and i think god wants people to love and ACCEpt them not be nast. y if god that is was so bad LGBTQ people wan't exist

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Originally posted by norrow:
If homosexuality is a sin simply because it is unusual, then I hereby declare lefthandedness, vegetarianism and mismatched socks-wearing to be equivalent sins and punished accordingly.

*Slow clap*

I don't say this often...but I have no idea what you just said.

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Originally posted by Shade:

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I don't see really what people's problem with flaunting it is... i mean I don't becuz it'll only bring be grief becuz i'm also fat, but i think that if someone wants to bring that upon themselves, let them do it...

Stop thinking on a personal level for a minute and think what it will do to everyone else. It will bring the whole "community" grief. If you're open with your sexuality, you represent the whole of gay people. Whether you know it or not, and whether you like it or not.

how one earth will it bring grief i no a firend wo was really toung n hrad spoke with a porper sheffiled accent b4 he came out but now he's completly diffrent he has i new set of firends his old one's were a bit homophobic he specks diffrent some time spet 4 wen he's shouting he weres pink and brafs about all the new colothes and stuff he bought but it's dosen't bring me grief nor dose it ne1 eles

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

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Well, the thing is though the people who flaunt purposefully think they're doing the right thing or something of the sorts...

Why would they think that? Normally people don't like people who flaunt.

My previous post is worded weird so it doesn't say what I mean.

I hate when people change because they came out.

peopel don't change because they came but becuase they acting diffrent to cover up to fact they were glbt

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But I got the impression that she doesn't think they HAVE a mental disorder, she's saying you should treat them according to the "fact" that they are gay because their genes make them that way.

At least that's what I got out of it. *shrugs*

People shouldn't throw around the words "biological mutation." Ah well.

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Originally posted by independenceindividuality:
No, being gay isn't a choice - just as being staright isn't one. Everyone has hormones, but whether or not they act on them is the difference. Your actions defy morality, not your thoughts or urges.

you lost me at your actions and who are we to tell every one how to live there lives and that ther choices (if it is a choice) is the wrong one

No, being gay isn't a choice - just as being staright isn't one. Everyone has hormones, but whether or not they act on them is the difference. Your actions defy morality, not your thoughts or urges.

none the less i have friends that are glbt so seeing glbt people doesnt offend me considering i was there for one of my friends when he came out of the "closet".

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Originally posted by Shade:

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Shade, I do believe that Chelsea meant "treated" as in how you treat your friends, not in the medical sense.

Well in that case, that's the wrong way to show respect to people you care about. Believing they have a mental disorder when it's been proven it's not, is not just an outrageous personal opinion, but showing of a bad friendship.

But I got the impression that she doesn't think they HAVE a mental disorder, she's saying you should treat them according to the "fact" that they are gay because their genes make them that way.

At least that's what I got out of it. *shrugs*

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Shade, I do believe that Chelsea meant "treated" as in how you treat your friends, not in the medical sense.

Well in that case, that's the wrong way to show respect to people you care about. Believing they have a mental disorder when it's been proven it's not, is not just an outrageous personal opinion, but showing of a bad friendship.

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Originally posted by Shade:

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i believe that homosexuality is not just a choice, but i biological mutation and that it should be treated as such.

People have (officially) stopped thinking like that. Homosexuality was taken out of the DSM as a mental disorder years ago.

Shade, I do believe that Chelsea meant "treated" as in how you treat your friends, not in the medical sense.

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so gays and lesbians are there own race now?

Slash, I'm fairly sure that's not what she meant either. I think she was comparing the evils of racism with the evils of homophobia, and saying that racism is now considered by the majority of society to be bad and why shouldn't homophobia be treated the same way.

Chelsea, if what I said above isn't true please feel free to correct me. Also, please try to avoid double posts, it clogs up the boards. The little icon with a pencil eraser in the top right of your post lets you edit it, if you forget something.