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<JoeyDauben>
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Well, I never said you should "die" for being involved in Witchcraft. I personally would not kill you or anybody for that matter - and if someone says that, they aren't truly a "Christian."

Other religious faiths are sins (idol worshipping) and yes, the Bible, in the OLD Testament, stated punishment as stoning and death and the like.

True Christians aren't saying "Becca, stop doing that or we'll kill you."

Rather, "We're going to pray for you because what you are doing is a sin in God's eyes."


And as far as the addition/subtraction thing goes, did you not just TRANSLATE those Bible verses?

You know, in high school English, the play Julius Caesar is written in both the old English of the time and in modern English (so people will understand it better).

Did the actual messages change? Or were they TRANSLATED?

Case in point:

"Thou shall not have any other gods before me."

That verse could be translated to:

"You cannot have any other gods."

See, the phrase was TRANSLATED, not actually added or taken away.

The verses you posted were TRANSLATIONS; they still had the same meaning, but were in different forms.


How bout this:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." [King James Version]

Modern translation:

"Do not allow a woman who practices witchcraft to live."

The message was translated - not taken away or added.


Do you get what I'm saying now?


Addition, subtraction and translation are three totally different things.
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Registered: October 06, 2002
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So, you're saying if you think someone has 'sinned' you have a valid reason for killing them? Oh, this is rich. Please remind me of the 7 deadly sins so i can tell you which I'm guilty of so that I will receive fair punishment! roll eyes
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No, the Bible forbids murder, murder being killing with no cause, aside from those generally associated with sin. (greed, pride, ect).
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My God said anybody who takes away or adds to the original 66 books of the Bible will have a place in Hell.


uh... are you sure about that?

'1604, King James 1 of england, the same guy whose name is on the english translation of the bible, passed his witchcraft act. Under this act, the punishment for using witchcraft became hanging. Previously in England, this crime entailed one year in jail. This act is also associated witches with the devil and made any act of consorting with the devil a crime punishable by death. But James went one step further. He was so terrified of witches that he actually said to have changed the bible. Where the text once read, "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live," in his translation it says, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." '

~The Complete Idiots Guide To: Wicca and Witchcraft
(and might i remind you that there IS a complete idiots guide to Christianity so that is not biased)

Lets see here... My grandfather was a Reverend so he has many versions of the bible lying around the house...
Lets see... here in Exodus 22:18, there is a passage that says " Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".

Yet, in another version of the bible:
"You shall not permit a sorceress to live"
And another:
"You shall not permit a female sorceress to live"

Various Biblical translations render this verse as:

American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for witchcraft.
Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.

It seems to me that the action of changing the bible is done all the time.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you're always saying MY god says this so it must be true. Well, if everything the bible says is true, should you not go out and stab me? I'm witch/wiccan, and so i should die. but OOPS! the bible also says not to kill.

Very contradictory, don't you think?

~Becca
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Registered: October 30, 2002
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I forgot to add this before my five minutes were up.

I am not a homophobic! I am for gay rights! When I say that being gay is abnormal, I mean that the majority of people aren't gay! Lethandedness is abornal too, but it's still natrual! Being gay is natrual! It's not a choice! I'm sorry if I offended anyone!
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I believe I have some explaining to do.

Please ignore what I said about Jesus or God, everyone. What I meant by that comment was, does homosexuality hurt anyone? It's just that I figured a lot of people would be writing that homosexuality hurts Jesus's soul, or something like that, so I added the Jesus or God thing. I guess I was a little unclear.

What I want us to be talking about here is, does homosexuality actually hurt any mortals? Or is it a sin just because it is a sin - because God doesn't want you to do it?

By the way, I am an atheist.
Registered: September 10, 2002
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so you only think its wrong because your GOD says it is...so you have no say in it?? there is no goood reason why it is wrong besides YOUR GOD says it is.... mad
Registered: September 10, 2002
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obviously YOUR god is a f***ing slave driver if he wont let you live your life the way you want to live it....
Registered: November 03, 2002
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what the hell is so wrong about living your life?

close minded people have to really wake the hell up?
so what if some one is gay lez or bi. some of my best friend are gay. and it doesn't bother me in the least. i even have a family member that is a lezbian and i love her just as equaly as i love gay friends. i don't looks at her different. its a life style just like you life style is straight. you can't deny someone respect cause they don't have feeling for the opposite sex!

haven't you ever had no feeling for soemthing or someone. i swear it people who make a big deal about being homosexual that need the help.
Stop saying it wrong cause in all the people who are wrong are the people who can't accept it.

Christianity is a cult.

i myself am bi. WOw! gonna tell me its wrong? mad
<JoeyDauben>
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Okay, let me rephrase it for you;

you don't believe in MY God.

Because MY God says it's a SIN to be involved in homosexual activity.

My God says nobody comes to Him but through His Son Jesus Christ.

My God said anybody who takes away or adds to the original 66 books of the Bible will have a place in Hell.


There.
Registered: September 10, 2002
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umm who the hell ever said i dont belive in god?...HELLO did you hear me say the THE ONLY REASON I DO BELIVE IN GOD is because no one can explain where the the first space atoms came from SO THEREFORE I DO...gee, eather you dont listen very well or your just plain dumb
<JoeyDauben>
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Homosexuality, if looking at it from a Christian viewpoint, is both unnatural and immoral.

Buffy, you claim to be an atheist, yet you say Jesus or God (they're the same person by the way) doesn't "care less who the hell people have sex with."

Hmm. If you don't believe in Jesus, how would YOU know if He could care less?

You're obviously either spiritually confused or just plain stupid.
Registered: September 10, 2002
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it doent hurt jesus or god, they could care less who the hell ppl have sex with....and gay is not a choice, ppl are born like that....staight and gay it doesnt matter...same ppl, different attraction to ppl, who cares
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