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Picture of Lucky12moon
Registered: June 04, 2008
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You go SingSongGirl!! Jaineseed whats you problem! You judging people too quickly! There people! do you remember the whole "All men (and women) are created equal" thing! RIGHTS! PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS! Its love not government!Childproofed has a point! "There is NO wrong choice when it comes to LOVE" get it!!!!!


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Originally posted by jainesed:
i don't think theres aything wrong with it.ijust think that homhs shouldn't push it up in our faces because they already know that most persons are against it.they have thier rihts but they need to know what to do and when to do it.


Jainesed... What the he**?! Look, I don't know what sort of problem you have with homosexuals, but I am going to hazard a guess at what your last sentence meant. If by knowing what to do and when, you meant homosexual PDA, how is that any different than heterosexual relationships? And anyway, homosexuals push their rights BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT!!! If you dislike it because it's against your religion, that's fine, JUST IGNORE IT! People have no right to get upset when individuals who really aren't that much different than you try to be treated like a human being!
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Registered: June 07, 2008
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i don't think theres aything wrong with it.ijust think that homhs shouldn't push it up in our faces because they already know that most persons are against it.they have thier rihts but they need to know what to do and when to do it.
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Registered: June 01, 2008
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there is no wrong choice when it comes to love.

'nuff said.


just follow your heart, pedro. that's what i do. -- napolean dynamite
Picture of LoveTheRainbow
Registered: October 28, 2005
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okay I am done with this thread.


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Picture of aaathreat
Registered: September 06, 2005
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yeah...but, like...there are those who are doing it purposefully and those who are just like that right? so...the ones who are purposefully doing it think that that's more of who they are then they're actual selves...so...they see nothing wrong with it...and, some people like people like that. it just seems like ya'll don't! ahah.


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Well, the thing is though the people who flaunt purposefully think they're doing the right thing or something of the sorts...


Why would they think that? Normally people don't like people who flaunt.

My previous post is worded weird so it doesn't say what I mean.

I hate when people change because they came out.


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Picture of aaathreat
Registered: September 06, 2005
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Well, the thing is though the people who flaunt purposefully think they're doing the right thing or something of the sorts...


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Picture of finn620
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Basically, the important thing is to not estrange everyone who would otherwise be supportive by making them perceive the entire community as being full of over-sexed yahoos.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Yes it is, I completely agree. We can't ask people to change themselves just so society can look at them easier... But how do we distinguish? How can you tell who just acts that way naturally, and who flaunts it or becomes it because it is the steryotype?


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I suppose it's best to draw a line between those who flaunt because it's who they are and those who flaunt because they think it's what they should do.


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Threat, we're talking about people who purpousefully flaunt it. Going in drag is slightly different, but only slightly.

Sure, that's how pride starts, but it's not where it's headed. It's already happened with women, and I'm pretty sure it will get that way with black people and maybe even gays. We won't be able to say even a word against them or we'd be prejudice against the whole damn community. Having "pride" so loud is not the way to win our rights. It's not the way to get anything out of people. Maybe everyone should try a different approach. Fighting isn't always the answer. Flaunting is even worse. We've passed the hurdle, the major one, where it was illegal to go in drag, where women had to have three "womenly" articles of clothing on them, where you could be thrown in jail for cross-dressing, and gods know what happened to you there. We're over that. There will always be extremists against you. There's no way you can avoid that. You can do something to help ease the transition of your lifestyle into the world's. Cut the flaunting. That's the immeidate, honest, and easiest way.


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Registered: October 28, 2005
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So, a blazing gay or drag queen would get on ya'll's nerves?


Its possible. Most likely no though

What bothers me is someone who doesn't stop talking about it or who acts like a total flamer after they come out.


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Registered: September 06, 2005
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So, a blazing gay or drag queen would get on ya'll's nerves? or, maybe a guy who's just really out there and really fem? Cuz', i know i don't have problems with them...but, if you're talking about over the top gays there's nothing wrong with them and that's just how they all act. That's what i'm getting from ur definitions...

also, shade, the people who have this "pride" is because they're less common and are still opressed in many ways. In the south people are willing to lynch a gay person because of their sexuality...that's why we have pride, to stand up and to make us equal. The whites, men, and all other were opressing and now have the ability to bring the opressees up to their level so we can all be on equal ground. That's what I see pride as.


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D. All of the above (well below)

If you want a Dictionary.com definition:

flaunt
–verb (used without object)
1. to parade or display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly.
2. to wave conspicuously in the air.
–verb (used with object)
3. to parade or display ostentatiously: to flaunt one's wealth.
4. to ignore or treat with disdain: He was expelled for flaunting military regulations.
–noun
5. the act of flaunting.
6. Obsolete. something flaunted.


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That, too.


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Picture of finn620
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My definition of flaunting is reminding everyone around you of your sexual orientation every other goddamn sentence, almost as if you're bragging. I've also noticed some irritating sectarianism. If people find out you're gay, you're drafted into this clique, even if the people drafting you avoided you all through high school. Basically: "We thought you were a total freak, but now that we know you're gay we can add you to our special club! Yay!"

[ insert more of my subjectivity disclaimers ]


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Flaunting in my opinion, is changing who you are to become the steryotype, even if in a little way. This could involve speaking with a gay lisp, walking femininly, wearing "feminine" clothes, all this on purpouse. I know there are some who just are like that naturally, but honestly, it's kind of obvious who's flaunting for attention and who isn't.

Disclaimer: Following rant is not aimed at any one person. I shouldn't have to say that. Proceed to Rant:

Threat, flauting anything is a bad idea. You have to be able to see that... Can't you? I... This is why I hate the damned homosexual movement. You're not different from anyone! It's turning into the same stupid thing that it turned into with blacks and whites, with men and women. Blacks can have "pride" in who they are; they can have "black history," but what do you see going on for the white people?! Nothing. Women can have "pride" in being a woman, can have damned feminist philosophies that are now turning into women being surperior. But can men do that? Nooo. If we do, we're oppressing them, we're "hurting" them. It's Bull. Shit. And the same goes for gay people. Those who flaunt are.. Good Lord. You are no different from anyone else. You are not special. Why can't other people flaunt their straightness in your presence? Because most gay people will feel it's a threat to their "movement" or who they are "as a person." It's complete and utter BS.

That's all.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I'm not really sure what a good definition of flaunting is. I suppose being overly friendly could be considered flaunting if you're a guy. Or wearing a fairy outfit complete with pink shorts for Halloween (also if you're a guy).

I suppose different people have different ideas about what is considered flaunting. Like I said, I really have no problem with it.


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Registered: September 06, 2005
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Ok, can ya'll give me an example of flaunting, please! I believe i'm a little confused haha...


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