Cue "some people don't think raping toddlers is wrong what are you a toddler rapist huh" counterargument.

you see what I don't get about the whole homo and hetro debate is why the other party cares what the sexuality of other people are. Everybody is intitled to their own decisions, who are we to judge others? Its not like homosexuals are hurting people, you may not think its right, but its part of who they are whether they "chose it" or not. The same with extremely religious people, lots of religious people will state that sex outside of marraige is wrong, but for lots of people its not that big of a deal. It really depends on your view on what is right and wrong.

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homosexuality is clearly un-natural and therefore not a choice, but a defect.

I have a friend who doesn't like chocolate. That's not normal at all, but it doesn't mean she's defective.

Not got time to read through the argument, so ill just offer my opinion.

Humans are creations of their own genetics, homosexuality is clearly un-natural and therefore not a choice, but a defect.

There are many defects, and this is one of them. It is wholly impossible for a normal male to be attracted to another...it goes against all processes of nature, humans simply do not make those kind of choices consciously...were just a big bundle of impulses and instincts.

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Someone besides shade because obviously he thinks were all below him in intelligence and he is above "truth", oh and his head hurts too

You lose the debate and so now you're trying to insult me? That's funny. How am I above truth, again?

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whats 73%-100% Shade?

It's, uh, the rest of the homosexual/bisexual men?

I stopped halfway because I have responsibilities outside of the internet. Like buying food?

I can't argue that article, I sold my psychology book and with it, all my sources.

...So, do I offend you or something?

Well, I was going to jump in on this debate, but everyone else has already said what I was going to say, and I don't even want to bother with it anyways. I don't need to prove anything about homosexuality to you since it's something you'll never fully be able to understand. Neither will I, for that matter (since we're both straight), but I do have quite a few homosexual friends, and from what I've heard from them, they're no different than heterosexuals in terms of sexual promiscuity, multiple partners, and love. And I think they know what they're talking about.

There's not much else I can say.

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No, your second quote never compared them. It just said homosexual/bisexual men. That's it.

whats 73%-100% Shade? a remainder of 27% of people who have syphilis who AREN'T male homo/bisexual.

Comparison= 73%(male homo/bisexual) as appose to 23%(everyone else!)

As i don't have time to jot all this info down, just read this guys statements they pretty much sum up what a homosexual relationship is and why it is the way it is.

http://members.aol.com/slevay/page23.html

And yes, we know shade that you can tear this guy to shreds and totally debunk his arguement so no need to mention it, oh and that you stopped half way because of uninterest, anway thanks.

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once again...can anyone present an arguement instead of just ridculing my comments all day long?

Oh chill.

I am getting there. Sadly I don't have time to debate on this site 24/7

is that all you have to say?

once again...can anyone present an arguement instead of just ridculing my comments all day long?

Funny, I never felt as though Shade thought anyone was below him.

I am really tired of arguing my point endlessly to only get replies that critcize my thoughts....can please someone present an arguement? Or is CLPO the only person on this entire website that knows how to debate?

Someone besides shade because obviously he thinks were all below him in intelligence and he is above "truth", oh and his head hurts too

Oh, I remembered something I forgot to clarify this morning. We weren't talking about love through sex, we were just talking about love. I mean, if it were down to arguing the acts themselves it might be different, but love by itself? Come now, no one's proved they can't love each other. Real love. (sigh) Alright, real romantic love, since you want to distinguish it.

Good article, sort of. (Article 1) It's way biased (well, obviously.) Sometimes it compared homosexuals and heterosexuals, sometimes it didn't. Some of the things they said were absurd (like blaming homosexuals for babies born with aids). I admit, I stopped about halfway. Well, I have to go grocery shopping. I'm not sure it hinged the whole reason for homosexuals not to marry on their sexual practices. Like I've said before, sodomy exists everywhere, in practically every community..this article seemed to think only homosexuals did it. It was cleverly put together, and I could pick it apart if you like (but my head hurts).

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The main scource was a dutch study completed recently

I mainly wanted to glance over it if you could link me. Also, I don't have much of a trust in newspapers and their writers. Deadlines can do a lot to a person and what they say in that time.

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You sound confused shade, why can't you find a solid stance on the issue

I have a solid stance. The opposing side simply wasn't defending themselves, so I helped out a bit. Would you rather I argued what I believe? I find that incredibly boring.

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Secondly, animals clearly do not have the cognitive abilities as humans

Hardly. Humans have intelligence while animals have wisdom. I think I said this somewhere before...and you commented on it I believe.

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Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

It was sarcasm.

No, your second quote never compared them. It just said homosexual/bisexual men. That's it.

You clearly stated: "homosexuals carry more diseases than their hetrosexual opposites and thats a scientific fact." Obviously, the following facts should support that.

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Treating animals like they are humans in any context of the cognitive process is rediculous.

It doesn't take intelligence to love. All it takes is a soul, and a heart. But we are not arguing animals here, lets leave this for another debate, eh?

Meh? I thought I said something about the chemical imbalince.. *shuffles back a bit* Yeah, a few comments ago. Using my brother as an example?

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Just because both sexes may do it doesn't make it right,

So let's just blame the homosexuals. Let's just use this information against them, just them. I'd also like your proof for why it happens more in homosexual relationships. Of the homosexuals I know or knew, who weren't teens (and were in a withstanding relationship), they had long and healthy relationships, some spanning past ten years, with children.

I'll check out those sites and get back to you.

Oh jeez. NARTH? Could you not find any more biased sites to support your statements?

BTW, I am not done with you.

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How different is this from most YOUNG men in a straight relationship? What about older men relationships?

HAHA, whats your point?! Just because both sexes may do it doesn't make it right, whether homosexuals are doing or heterosexuals are doing it, it is not socially acceptable by any standards. My point was that this occurs MORE often in homosexual relationships, it is common practice. This is precisely WHY it is unhealthy.

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I would also like to repoint out that EVERYTHING that a same-sex couple can do sexually a straight couples can and have done.

I would like to point out that i never said these dispicable acts DO NOT exist in hetrosexual communities, however i will say again, my point is to say that these things happen MORE frequently in homosexual relationships.

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Yes. Please I would like to see the site.

http://www.cfsh.net/3.html

heres another one to wet your taste buds

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

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Such as? I can think of at least one example that is the exact opposite, but am to lazy to source it right now. I'll do it later.

You don't need a source. Bonobos practice sex with bth sexes. However they do this for a reason, most of the time to avoid conflict and like other animals that practice homosexual acts they use it for dominance.

Treating animals like they are humans in any context of the cognitive process is rediculous. Humans have the capabilities of deciding between two instincts with moral responsibility, it's called the super ego. When an animal has two impules the impules favored by circumstances prevails, it's almost automatic, they need this fast acting thinking process in order to survive. This comparison of human behavior and animal behavior is rediculous. Animal behavior is not a blueprint for human behavior, not anymore. We don't need to observe animals in order to survive like we used to so stop trying to do it now beucase it is void. Applying psychodynamics to animals is obsurd so why are you all still trying to prove homosexuality through animals.

"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11]"

A quote from a homosexual scientist who observed animals in homosexual acts his name is Dr. Simon LeVay.

I still haven't heard anyone try to disprove that homosexuality is simply a chemicle imbalance, infact i have only had an oppenent agree with me.

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Their was a recent study done that stated: "According to a recent study, same-sex “partnerships” for young men are temporal at best, and men in “steady partnerships” have an average of eight partners per year aside from their “main” partner."

How different is this from most YOUNG men in a straight relationship? What about older men relationships?

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What does happen is that most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal.

Not true

I would also like to repoint out that EVERYTHING that a same-sex couple can do sexually a straight couples can and have done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality#Bonobos

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A man supports a womans needs like a woman supports a mans needs and this cannot be found in a same sex relationship.

Of course this isn't found in a gay relationship. WE DON'T WANT THIS. My needs involve other women. The only time I would need a man is if I wanted to get pregnant and then I only need part of him.

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"Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant....[

That made me fall out of my chair laughing.

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I you would like the website i would be glad to give it to you.

Yes. Please I would like to see the site.

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Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

I believe that was the intention.


Really I wouldn't put so much faith in statistics. I could collect data and then spin it any way I want to as well.

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I was thinking more like Jupiter

What about Pluto? After all, it's not being used as a planet anymore.

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In fact it has been proven in studies that most homosexual relationships do not last more than 2-3 years, are very emotional and dramatic,

Have you considered that perhaps they are more dramatic because of society, not their partners?

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they simply act on what their brain is telling them, it has nothing to do with lust,

You do what your brian tells you, that's what humans are doing, too. Lust, therefore, would be what your brain is telling you.

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most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal.

Such as? I can think of at least one example that is the exact opposite, but am to lazy to source it right now. I'll do it later.

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64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

I thought it was 49.7....

The main scource was a dutch study completed recently, the other comments were pasted from an article that pasted them from major newspapers such as the new york times, washington post and chicago tribune. I you would like the website i would be glad to give it to you.

You sound confused shade, why can't you find a solid stance on the issue. Secondly, animals clearly do not have the cognitive abilities as humans, i did not discredit animal thought entirely, i merely said that they cannot justify there actions pertaining to sexual behavior because they have no reason to, it is plain and simple for animals in this area, survival equals procreation meaning having sex with the opposite sex. Animals do have thinking abilities, i do not dicredit that.

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But remember! 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

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-Your second source does not compare homosexuals to hetersexuals. It is void.

My second source does infact compare to hetrosexuals, it clearly states that 73% of syphilis cases in chicago are homosexual/bisexual men as appose to hetrosexual men and women and i am assuming homosexual/bisexual women which makes the percentage even smaller for hetrosexuals. Why are the rest of my statements not void? Just because they don't compare is irrelivent, it is empiracle data that shows how unhealthy the homosexual lifestyle is, it's like saying just because i don't compare healthy people to non-healthy people when proving that certain foods are unhealthy for you is irreletive, we know they are unhealthy because of research.

Proof:

Life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS is about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual (Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, The Homosexual Lifespan, Family Research Institute, Feb 14, 1992).

This is a highly contested piece of research but many people still stand by it as a valid statement even today.

Is that so? I could do the same thing to the other side if they actually came up with factual evidence like Torin did. For which I applaud you, Torin. Evidence like that is hard to come by, that's proven by studies. But remember! 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!