is that all you have to say?

once again...can anyone present an arguement instead of just ridculing my comments all day long?

Funny, I never felt as though Shade thought anyone was below him.

I am really tired of arguing my point endlessly to only get replies that critcize my thoughts....can please someone present an arguement? Or is CLPO the only person on this entire website that knows how to debate?

Someone besides shade because obviously he thinks were all below him in intelligence and he is above "truth", oh and his head hurts too

Oh, I remembered something I forgot to clarify this morning. We weren't talking about love through sex, we were just talking about love. I mean, if it were down to arguing the acts themselves it might be different, but love by itself? Come now, no one's proved they can't love each other. Real love. (sigh) Alright, real romantic love, since you want to distinguish it.

Good article, sort of. (Article 1) It's way biased (well, obviously.) Sometimes it compared homosexuals and heterosexuals, sometimes it didn't. Some of the things they said were absurd (like blaming homosexuals for babies born with aids). I admit, I stopped about halfway. Well, I have to go grocery shopping. I'm not sure it hinged the whole reason for homosexuals not to marry on their sexual practices. Like I've said before, sodomy exists everywhere, in practically every community..this article seemed to think only homosexuals did it. It was cleverly put together, and I could pick it apart if you like (but my head hurts).

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The main scource was a dutch study completed recently

I mainly wanted to glance over it if you could link me. Also, I don't have much of a trust in newspapers and their writers. Deadlines can do a lot to a person and what they say in that time.

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You sound confused shade, why can't you find a solid stance on the issue

I have a solid stance. The opposing side simply wasn't defending themselves, so I helped out a bit. Would you rather I argued what I believe? I find that incredibly boring.

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Secondly, animals clearly do not have the cognitive abilities as humans

Hardly. Humans have intelligence while animals have wisdom. I think I said this somewhere before...and you commented on it I believe.

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Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

It was sarcasm.

No, your second quote never compared them. It just said homosexual/bisexual men. That's it.

You clearly stated: "homosexuals carry more diseases than their hetrosexual opposites and thats a scientific fact." Obviously, the following facts should support that.

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Treating animals like they are humans in any context of the cognitive process is rediculous.

It doesn't take intelligence to love. All it takes is a soul, and a heart. But we are not arguing animals here, lets leave this for another debate, eh?

Meh? I thought I said something about the chemical imbalince.. *shuffles back a bit* Yeah, a few comments ago. Using my brother as an example?

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Just because both sexes may do it doesn't make it right,

So let's just blame the homosexuals. Let's just use this information against them, just them. I'd also like your proof for why it happens more in homosexual relationships. Of the homosexuals I know or knew, who weren't teens (and were in a withstanding relationship), they had long and healthy relationships, some spanning past ten years, with children.

I'll check out those sites and get back to you.

Oh jeez. NARTH? Could you not find any more biased sites to support your statements?

BTW, I am not done with you.

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How different is this from most YOUNG men in a straight relationship? What about older men relationships?

HAHA, whats your point?! Just because both sexes may do it doesn't make it right, whether homosexuals are doing or heterosexuals are doing it, it is not socially acceptable by any standards. My point was that this occurs MORE often in homosexual relationships, it is common practice. This is precisely WHY it is unhealthy.

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I would also like to repoint out that EVERYTHING that a same-sex couple can do sexually a straight couples can and have done.

I would like to point out that i never said these dispicable acts DO NOT exist in hetrosexual communities, however i will say again, my point is to say that these things happen MORE frequently in homosexual relationships.

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Yes. Please I would like to see the site.

http://www.cfsh.net/3.html

heres another one to wet your taste buds

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

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Such as? I can think of at least one example that is the exact opposite, but am to lazy to source it right now. I'll do it later.

You don't need a source. Bonobos practice sex with bth sexes. However they do this for a reason, most of the time to avoid conflict and like other animals that practice homosexual acts they use it for dominance.

Treating animals like they are humans in any context of the cognitive process is rediculous. Humans have the capabilities of deciding between two instincts with moral responsibility, it's called the super ego. When an animal has two impules the impules favored by circumstances prevails, it's almost automatic, they need this fast acting thinking process in order to survive. This comparison of human behavior and animal behavior is rediculous. Animal behavior is not a blueprint for human behavior, not anymore. We don't need to observe animals in order to survive like we used to so stop trying to do it now beucase it is void. Applying psychodynamics to animals is obsurd so why are you all still trying to prove homosexuality through animals.

"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11]"

A quote from a homosexual scientist who observed animals in homosexual acts his name is Dr. Simon LeVay.

I still haven't heard anyone try to disprove that homosexuality is simply a chemicle imbalance, infact i have only had an oppenent agree with me.

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Their was a recent study done that stated: "According to a recent study, same-sex “partnerships” for young men are temporal at best, and men in “steady partnerships” have an average of eight partners per year aside from their “main” partner."

How different is this from most YOUNG men in a straight relationship? What about older men relationships?

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What does happen is that most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal.

Not true

I would also like to repoint out that EVERYTHING that a same-sex couple can do sexually a straight couples can and have done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality#Bonobos

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A man supports a womans needs like a woman supports a mans needs and this cannot be found in a same sex relationship.

Of course this isn't found in a gay relationship. WE DON'T WANT THIS. My needs involve other women. The only time I would need a man is if I wanted to get pregnant and then I only need part of him.

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"Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant....[

That made me fall out of my chair laughing.

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I you would like the website i would be glad to give it to you.

Yes. Please I would like to see the site.

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Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

I believe that was the intention.


Really I wouldn't put so much faith in statistics. I could collect data and then spin it any way I want to as well.

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I was thinking more like Jupiter

What about Pluto? After all, it's not being used as a planet anymore.

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In fact it has been proven in studies that most homosexual relationships do not last more than 2-3 years, are very emotional and dramatic,

Have you considered that perhaps they are more dramatic because of society, not their partners?

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they simply act on what their brain is telling them, it has nothing to do with lust,

You do what your brian tells you, that's what humans are doing, too. Lust, therefore, would be what your brain is telling you.

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most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal.

Such as? I can think of at least one example that is the exact opposite, but am to lazy to source it right now. I'll do it later.

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64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

I thought it was 49.7....

The main scource was a dutch study completed recently, the other comments were pasted from an article that pasted them from major newspapers such as the new york times, washington post and chicago tribune. I you would like the website i would be glad to give it to you.

You sound confused shade, why can't you find a solid stance on the issue. Secondly, animals clearly do not have the cognitive abilities as humans, i did not discredit animal thought entirely, i merely said that they cannot justify there actions pertaining to sexual behavior because they have no reason to, it is plain and simple for animals in this area, survival equals procreation meaning having sex with the opposite sex. Animals do have thinking abilities, i do not dicredit that.

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But remember! 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

Thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one...

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-Your second source does not compare homosexuals to hetersexuals. It is void.

My second source does infact compare to hetrosexuals, it clearly states that 73% of syphilis cases in chicago are homosexual/bisexual men as appose to hetrosexual men and women and i am assuming homosexual/bisexual women which makes the percentage even smaller for hetrosexuals. Why are the rest of my statements not void? Just because they don't compare is irrelivent, it is empiracle data that shows how unhealthy the homosexual lifestyle is, it's like saying just because i don't compare healthy people to non-healthy people when proving that certain foods are unhealthy for you is irreletive, we know they are unhealthy because of research.

Proof:

Life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS is about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual (Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, The Homosexual Lifespan, Family Research Institute, Feb 14, 1992).

This is a highly contested piece of research but many people still stand by it as a valid statement even today.

Is that so? I could do the same thing to the other side if they actually came up with factual evidence like Torin did. For which I applaud you, Torin. Evidence like that is hard to come by, that's proven by studies. But remember! 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

Well I wish there was more for me to add, but shade has done it all... Well done shade....good argument...

Okay, Torin. Obviously we're talking about romantic love.

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In fact it has been proven in studies that most homosexual relationships do not last more than 2-3 years, are very emotional and dramatic, MORE SO than heterosexual relationships by ratio. Their was a recent study done that stated: "According to a recent study, same-sex “partnerships” for young men are temporal at best, and men in “steady partnerships” have an average of eight partners per year aside from their “main” partner."

Source?

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As for CLPO's comment, there is a difference between sex that is lustful and sex that is an expression of true love, there is a fine line between these two and homosexuality crosses that line.

Well, I don't think that's a fair statement, at all. It's an opinion, a mere belief. Back it up with something.

Also, I am deeply offended by that shallow comment towards animals. They have the ability to think and make choices. I'd suggest refrain from doing that again unless you want me to break some serious rules and flame you big time.

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What does happen is that most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal.

Proof.

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Homosexuality has no boundaries therefore is an unsafe practice, not only mentally but physically

So is life. But you don't see anyone seriously protesting that.

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it's simply because homosexuals are much more likely to carry various diseases than are heterosexual, why? Beacuse unsafe sex is practice often, codoms are not designed for anal sex therefore they often break and spread disease, sex is more frequent in homosexual communities and often encourages multiple partners, homosexuals carry more diseases than than their hetrosexual opposites

-For the first, I'd like a source. Everyone is promiscuous.
-For the second, yes they are. There's no condom box that says it can't be used that way. Also, Everyone practices sodomy. Everyone. Heterosexuals and the rest.
-Encouraging multiple partners? Heterosexuals are as much likely to have multiple partners as homosexuals. We're all people. Just because you are attracted to one sex over another does not mean you want to have sex with all of them at the same time. I used to think that too, about bisexuals, but I was corrected, in more of an ugly way I'm correcting you.
-Actually, pregnant teens carry the most diseases.

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homosexuals carry more diseases than than their hetrosexual opposites and thats a scientific fact:

-Your first source does not compare homosexuals to hetersexuals. It is void.
-Your second source does not compare homosexuals to hetersexuals. It is void.
-You do not list your third source. It is void.
-Now, about your fourth quote. Ha. Lesbians. Not being pregnant. *GASP* Also, breast cancer does not spread to anyone else. What % of heterosexual women have never been pregnant? Not so high, but still a good number.
-Your fifth source does not compare homosexuals to hetersexuals. It is void.

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The average lifespan of a homosexual is 20-30 years shorter than the norm

Proof.

By all means. Say more.

I apologize for not answering the "love" questions. Also i want to clear something up, I do not think of a homosexual as lesser than anyone nor do i intend to downplay the person, it is the sin that they commit that i do not agree with.

As for your first question: Love, depends on what kind of love you are talking about. You can love another man. I love my Father very much, equally as strong as my fiance but what sets it apart is my phsyical attraction and also the conitations in the mental love that i have for my fiance and my father are very different. Same in strength but very different within.
It does not make sense to love another being with the intent to bond together for life and raise a family but to exclude half of what love is: the phsyical aspect. Second of all, you cannot tell me that you can hold these physical attractions back because they are too powerful for a mind that is weak in nature to such things especially when the sexual desires are more for lust than for love. Love is all encompassing, it is a combination of mental and (healthy) physical interaction and God defines this as feelings that are reserved for a relationship between a man and a woman, why? Because it only works between a man and a woman properly. A man supports a womans needs like a woman supports a mans needs and this cannot be found in a same sex relationship. In fact it has been proven in studies that most homosexual relationships do not last more than 2-3 years, are very emotional and dramatic, MORE SO than heterosexual relationships by ratio. Their was a recent study done that stated: "According to a recent study, same-sex “partnerships” for young men are temporal at best, and men in “steady partnerships” have an average of eight partners per year aside from their “main” partner." As much as you say the mental aspect of love exists, i cannot believe it because the studies prove how much the sexual aspect is involved. As for CLPO's comment, there is a difference between sex that is lustful and sex that is an expression of true love, there is a fine line between these two and homosexuality crosses that line. As for the animal question, the difference between human hormone imbalance and animal hormone imbalance is that humans have the cognative abilities to make excuses and to justify such acts of evil, animals do not the ability to morally justify anything, they simply act on what their brain is telling them, it has nothing to do with lust, it has everything to do with their survival because animals do not artificially inseminate each other like humans can. What does happen is that most of these animals that practice homosexuality are shunned from whatever society they belonged to and treated as abnormal. I am not saying we should do this with humans. However, we as a society need hold ourselves accountable for actions that are dangerous in nature instead of constantly justifying them because of the mentally unhealthy sentual and lustful satisfaction we get from it. Homosexuality has no boundaries therefore is an unsafe practice, not only mentally but physically, it's no wonder that homosexual men and women are banned from giving blood, it's simply because homosexuals are much more likely to carry various diseases than are heterosexual, why? Beacuse unsafe sex is practice often, codoms are not designed for anal sex therefore they often break and spread disease, sex is more frequent in homosexual communities and often encourages multiple partners, homosexuals carry more diseases than than their hetrosexual opposites and thats a scientific fact:

"An article in the pro-homosexual New York Times noted that a young male homosexual has about a 50% chance of getting H.I.V. by middle age and that the incidence of gonorrhea among homosexual men rose 74% between 1993 and 1996."

"In early 2005 the Chicago Department of Public Health reported that the percentage of Chicago AIDS diagnoses connected to homo/bisexual men increased from 37% in year 2000 to 44% in 2003; and in mid-2006 it also reported that homo/bisexual men accounted for approximately 73% of Chicago syphilis cases in the year 2005."

"Another study found bacterial vaginosis occuring in 33% of lesbians but only in 13% of heterosexual women, and found that: "Cervical cytology abnormalities were uncommon but only found in the lesbians."13 (Those abnormalities may be precursors to cervical cancers.)"

"One study of lesbians found that: "Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant....[And] Not having children increases a woman's breast cancer risk by between two to six times.""

"Another study of lesbians found "a relatively high prevalence of the viral STDs, herpes simplex and human papillomavirus [HPV]."14 And according to another: "Genital HPV infection and squamous intraepithelial lesions are common among women who are sexually active with women."15 HPV has been connected to cervical cancer. "DNA analysis has revealed that about 15 types of the virus account for more than 99 percent of all cervical cancer cases."16"

Need I say more? The average lifespan of a homosexual is 20-30 years shorter than the norm, even a smoker has better chances of survival.

A mountain? Do you think thats far enough away? I was thinking more like Jupiter. We must think of the children!

Yes, you're all horribly wrong in the head and we need to seclude you in the mountains until we can find a cure to your perversion.

Just kidding. But you knew that (I hope).

Well back to me and LTR having something wrong with our brains because we like people of the same sex....