When did church become part of the state. THe constitution says that the church is seperated from the state. San Fran. is violating these constitutional ammendment. How sick is that? How about this, the gays and lesbians say they arent trying to make contraversy but they are on television making all this noise about how they NEED to get married. Marriage is under the religion, this means that the church holds the ceremonies and that they do the process of marriage. In the Christian and Jewish religions, they believe that marriage is under a man a women and not under man and man, or woman and women. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

This is unfinished business of the Civil Rights Movement. True equality means being able to fall in love and get married, gay or straight.

In this response/opinion, I'm assuming that this topic is about the gay marriages legally, not religiously.

1.) The legal marriage is aboaut a man and a woman, because of the possibilities of children, ect. Children are not possible in same sex marriages, so this part of the legalities is unneccesary. Gay couples do not need legal marriages because any legal agreement can be made in a private contract.

2.) Allowing gay marriages lets all sorts of crazy things loose. Once you let two people of the same sex get married, next you've got three men and woman saying 'hey, we're a union, we want to all be married to each other'. Other countries allowing gay marriages have gone into complete pandemonium.

"I think that totally defies the sacrament of marriage and totally disgraces the church."

No one is asking to be married in your Church. As much Christian as America can be...legally it is not a theocracy (scary)...but under the establishment clause of our well fabricated constitution, we are a sovereign nation with a wide range of beliefs and practices allowed to be expressed (or so reads the document).

oh and one more thing sweetgurlio: don't bother looking for bible verses...I am much well acquainted (as many of you are) dealing with the ones for this issue(book of samuel, ruth etc) and against (leviticus, romans, corinthians).

By any one of us using Bible verses (you or me)we are making no statement at all. Maybe for you screaming Bible verses puts you on some sort of the "Righteous, Better than You, and Saved" steeple. Feel free.

But we must remember Jesus and His days in the desert. The devil himself quoted Bible verses to tempt Him into using His powers. Which is why Bible verses must be taken into context, and like the good samaritan...who had to break the sabbath rule in the sake of compassion and charity.

" We can imagine God in His “loneliness” thinking forward as to what ineffable joy there could be were He to create self-reflective, *free* beings who realize themselves, each other, and Him in an ongoing adventure through a space-time continuum; and as He thinks of this He sighs with inexorable divine love, and in this sigh the universes and our world
and ourselves come into being. " - from an esay a friend wrote. emphasis mine.

Do you think such a loving God is a one dimensional guy with a rule stick waiting to strike ya at a minutes notice? Yes, everything requires order and by under no circurmstances can we do whatever we want just because it feels good.

But to know God is to know love...and you sweetgurlio, do not seem to know love...or God.

heck neither do any of us.

I can imagine Him sighing as His children rip themselves apart in violence whilst Satan rejoices.


However, through intelligent argument and discussion we can use our human gifts of self (as well as others) realization and eventually come to unanimous conclusion. Hard, but possible. Again, myths get you nowhere.

People make out human logic to be evil...but I don't think God made us to be dumb beings, thus us being created in His divine image...we are destined to argue, discuss intelligenty with each other and avoid too much passionate anger...

To sweetgurlio

Well you did highlight a very important point...about everyone making homosexuality seem like the worst sin ever...by hypocrite I mean (like you said), two unmarried heterosexual partners living together and denouncing gay marriage...etc

Personally I agree with civil unions but calling it marriage is maybe too much too soon for most of us to deal with...

I disagree with the homosexual community in making marriage the sole purpose of the battle. Some things just can't be messed with with such a non chalant attitude.

They should be instead working on preaching understanding (notice I didnt exactly say accepteance) of this very complex topic...as most people are surprisingly ignorant of the facts and myths (from both sides; conservative and liberal).

I've seen homosexual adolescents and it's heartbreaking how many of them desperately *don't* want to be this way (the media tends to only portray the more immoral homosexuals; older, promiscuous etc) reaching even the point of almost taking their own life and being kicked out of their homes by the disgusted adults who brought them into the world...the ones who changed their diapers like your parents did yours; took them on trips to the park, held them the first day of school, gave them a peck on the cheek and their little lunch bag...they're no worse or better than you (people concentrate too much on the "bad breed"...the promiscuous leather perves instead of thinking of the non sexually active average joes wrestling with themselves and the issue).

If we only had mutual understanding of this topic, thered be less kids kicked out of their homes and above all, less severed family relationships. So that when dealing with this hard topic...both the parents and the kid can get through it together: it doesn't matter whether it involves changing (if possible, I admit I'm not educated in this field) or acceptance. If only they got through it with -love-/support and not hate and paranoid fear that leads to tragedy.

I myself am stuck between liberal and moderate because the extreme conservatives and liberals; who are not honestly well educated in the topic, decide to make stuff up that they like to hear and that is disgusting and un-ethical. As a 'moderate' I am able to extract things from both sides and discern the myths and truths. (ie. the "it's chosen" theory is bs; the "10% theory" is over-inflated).

So again...I find it absurd we're arguing about marriage even before we're done arguing with understanding the facts about orientation! Absolutely stupid!

It's like going on a construction site without a hardhat...pretty stupid and asking for trouble...like now

So unless you find yourself in the situation of a suicidal hopeless teenage homosexual boy (whose favorite color is dark blue, not pink...and doesnt have a lisp) whose parents think he's disgusting instead of trying to help him; and don't have something ignorant, uninformed and unloving to say sweetgurlio, kindly and please shut your mouth.

To depressed:

Kill me then *****! Being the terrorist commie I am, Id like to see you try.

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A child should have a mother and a father.

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So, single mothers (like Rachel on Friends or many in real life) are wrong? And if a woman's husband dies what is she supposed to do? Give up her child because she obviously can't raise it if the child doesn't have a father.

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Love is clearly defined as Love rejoices in the truth and doesn't rejoice in wrongdoings.

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Also in this passage it says "It does not insist in its own way." So, yeah.

And Paul does write about 3 books in Romans on how loving one another and doing what is right is above all laws. He also says that even if we are righteous sin still pulls at us and we can fall into the trap and God will still love us anyway.

I LOVE IT!!!! i'm a lesbian. i don't see why they souldn't. they're people too, they love to be in love like a heterosexual person.

I've realized that the two main arguments against Gay marriage is that it's unatural (religion-wise) and destructive (social-wise.)
For those of us that are 18 or approaching it, we're gonna have to power to vote on this someday (sooner or later.) So I'd like to pose a question for these two arguments
Religion: For those of you that are against gay marriages due to religion (most likely Christianity) please think about some things. Not too long ago, many people were against interracial marriages on religions grounds. It was "unnatural" and "went against God's word." The same argument was used for slavery. And women being able to vote? That was ridiculous. There are so many religious texts that state that a woman is subservient to a man and incapable of complex thought for politics or the like. The point is, the United States of America isn't a theocracy, we're a democratic republic. So when we vote, we should be deciding if a proposal is in sync with the constitution, not the ten commandments. I know many people put religion before government, but you must understand, this isn't the doctrine of your specific religion we are deciding. We are deciding the fate of millions; people from all diffferent walks of life. You have to understand that people hold different religious views, so this issue of gay marriage isn't a religious one. It's a civil rights issue. So when you walk up to the ballot box, ask yourself (please) "According to out constitution, the document that has allowed our gov't to function for 200 years, according to its bill of rights, should two people of the same sex have the RIGHT to be married, if only by our gov't and not in a religious institution?" Remember, no one can force a church or a temple to marry two people it doesn't want to. We are talking about marriage licesces, in the eyes of the law (not God), and equal benefits for life-long partners.
Society: As for those who beleive that accepting homesuxuality will further corrupt society, I would like to see some hard evidense that this is so. And don't use the AID's excuse, b/c its the crack adicts and outbreaks in Africa that are the most prevelant cause for it. 60% of the HIV positive population are heterosexual males. And don't use religion; we're talking society and anthropology. Why will allowing two people of the same sex to marry cause society to crumple into corruption? Show me statistics. Show me research. Show me sound, logical arguments.
As of yet, I have not heard one concise, logical argument against homesuexual marriage that can stand up to the constitution. I can think of a dozen, however, that show why it should be legal.

**PS: What study says the average lifespan of a homosexual is 40 years old?!?!?!?!

Dear all,

I would like to share with you some information that I've recently acquired myself. I live in Romania, and until 1989 this country was under the terror of communist dictatorship. The biggest tool of terror of the system was the State Security, an organ that was holding under surveillance all "the elements that could affect the social order, or that would corrupt the youth with western ideas". But one woman fought against the system. Although she was breaking the laws (unjust laws, that were destroying her own individualidity and her self). And she defeated the system by assuming responsibility for her actions, by admiting that she argues against the system; also, she made the people that were working for the State Security to assume their role of "bad guys".
I appreciate what's going on now in San Francisco. Maybe they will be able to defeat the system.

I want to start off by saying that I am amazed at what the world is coming into. My subject is about all kinds of things that have blinded people and made them think that what they are doing is right. I totally and absolutely agree to what sweetgurlio said. I mean, i have written something about virginity before and I was still amazed at the responses i got. I strongly believe that love, above all else is gone, almost nonexistent in this generation. I think it is not even in the dictionary now. Haven't you looked all around you and see that our world is tainted with all kinds of evil things? As what sweetgurlio says, i am also disgusted because I am a believer in Jesus and a Christian and I am for peace and love. I just dont understand why that is so hard to follow. Like virginity, the one i have written before. I think being a virgin is a cool thing and i think its beautiful knowing that you are one and didnt you all know that waiting until marriage is the best and perfect thing? One reason: If both partners are virgins, you will achieve a very high love for each other as well as give meaning to your life. Second, it enhances your marriage and there is less risk for divorce. Third, you are less of a risk for AIDS since you have only one partner your whole life. Oh, another thing, about gays getting married. I think that totally defies the sacrament of marriage and totally disgraces the church. I mean, God created man and woman to love each other and yet, look what is going on now? True, i have a lot of gay friends and i like them, they are funny and they are good friends but being married to the same sex is totally outrageous! To those who support same sex marriage, i want you to think hard. How would it look like if same sex couples walk down the aisle and get married? I think they are just making the church a laughingstock. And it is not right. It is just the same as living together before marriage. I mean, if there is marriage in a church, why not get married and have legal bonds rather than living together? Is it that hard? Besides, what is the point of having a priest and having a church when everyone is living together hoping they would click and stay together forever? Love is not like that. Love waits, Love endures and Love is forever.
I also want to point out about Britney Spears' marriage and the thing that made me angry was that she said in one article i read in a newspaper is that she just wants to try what being married is about. I mean, my gosh, is that all? I really want to tell her personally that you cannot just get maried for the sake of wanting to know what it is like. MARRIAGE IS SERIOUS AS WELL AS THE VOWS YOU SAY BEFORE GOD. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS AND I HOPE IF EVER SOMEONE HERE IS A FRIEND OF BRITNEY< I HOPE THAT PERSON WILL TELL HER BECAUSE WHAT SHE SAID IS TOTALLY NOT ETHICAL. I am amazed at what people can do these days and oh, to those who are striving hard to get attention, being naked or wearing indecent or showing off body parts doesnt have to be necessary so you could sell a million records or be on the top list.
One last thing, i also would like to give the priests a piece of my mind. Did you know that many people are counting on you for Christ's teachings and good examples? I am so disappointed to hear about all these scandals of sexual abuse. I am disappointed because i came from a Catholic school when i was in elementary and a priest there was charged with the abuse of altar boys which made me ashamed because millions of people look up to priests as enlightenment and yet they are the ones comitting sin. Nobody is forcing you to become priests so thats why to all priests out there, you should think long and hard first before entering into priesthood. It is your choice, not God's. You will just be comtting sin if you are not sure and then you insist because you thought you are called by God.
I hope i have made everyone listen and i hope that everyone will think long and hard about all those i have said.

"""But still I say NO! to homosexuality."""
___Where is this world where people are tyring to force you to be homosexual?

___All they ask for is equality, doesn't the government owe them at least that much? You say it's offensive to your religion but hasn't anybody ever told you that not everyone on our planet believes the exact same thing as you? Manifest yourself some intelligence, and then grow a heart. People as daft and close-minded as you are should be the ones asking for forgiveness from the real world, not the rest of us asking for forgiveness from your so called "creator" who gets upset when humans do things logically and fairly.

___The first amendment is a big, smelly load of propaganda and it makes me sick how blind we must be to just sit by and watch as our society gets fed to the dogs one small bit of what's left of our integrity at a time.

There is no way I can side with those who support the idea of "making teachers to carry out surgeries".These is typically interchanging this which is not going to help us at all.If God created Man(Male) and the a Woman and chose to make the male be a husband and the female the wife,can we say that he made a mistake and so these So Called Homosexuals are trying to correct Him? Of course NOT! If God made any mistake in creation...you wouldn't be you.
This is a very wrong thing!For God's goodness,why don't we ever appreciate Him for all the great things he has done for us...putting in place Females to be wives and Males to be husbands?We should realy pray for our generation because it seems things are getting worse.If we can even start compromising for such obvious evil!!!Let's ask God to Just forgive us.But still I say NO! to homosexuality.

Hey,
I just wanted to let u know that I'm not one of those "hater hypocrites" that blinkatheworld is talking about.
I can't stand the sins of living together, commiting pre-marital sex, and all other forms of sex before marrige even if it doesn't involve penetration and even if it's virtual. I think that the 2 heterosexual peeps who live together are in the same boat as the 2 homosexuals that get married.

Dear blinkinaworld,
You disgust me, you are the very reason for why America is in moral shape that it is. You call yourself a Christian and you say that Jesus Christ wanted to throw out legality. YOu also go to great lengths with quoting the Bible. However, i was wondering didn't you ever realize that although Jesus loved all sinners he hated the sin. When he saw Mary Magdalene, a prostitute, he loved her but hated her sin. When he saw Paul,someone who despised Christians, he found a way of reaching him. Don't you understand that Jesus always loved, however he always tried to stop those he loved from sinning.
FOr those of you that say God is love and we have to love everybody,I'm not advising that you hate the gays because hate crimes are horrible and they are just as bad as gay marriages. I'm asking you to love them yet hate their sin. In 1st Corinthans Love is clearly defined as Love rejoices in the truth and doesn't rejoice in wrongdoings.
Christians, i urge you stop falling into the devil's traps, rise up from the shadows of darkeness, and step into the light of truth. YOu are supposed to be living in this world but not be of the world.
Soon, I'll be posting biblical verses to refute blinkinaworld's one.
~Strive for truth, dare to stand up against the tide of today's morality.

What is this world coming to?? marrige between a woman and a woman, man and man??? When God created Adam he didn't create another man. He gave Adam a woman. If these homosexual "couples" adopt or do something using drugs to have a child, that is wrong. A child should have a mother and a father. not two fathers or two mothers These "couples" shouldn't be allowed to be eligable to adopt.
My sister is adopted, i know the qualifications and i don't see how these people meet these standards!! This isn't an issue of rights or freedom its and issue of our country's standards and morals, our beliefs. I'm completly out raged by this issue. Why is this even happening. Have people gone this crazy?? Next it's gonna be "youth inasia" but thats a COMEPLETELY wrong and different subject. WHAT IS OUR COUNTRY COMING TO????
P.S. Homosexuals also have a higher death rate. They die from sexual problems such as HIV/AIDS. The average life span of a homosexual is 40 years old.

i completely support those couples. they went against the law because of something that they felt really strongly about. its not like you can decide who you fall in love with, it just happens, and shouldnt you marry the one you truly love?

I don't have any problem with gay marriage. My auntie and her girlfriend have always talked about getting married. seeing as how they live in California it's like impossible for them. There not married by law but to everyone else they are. I think that we should either treat everyone equal and let any body who wants to get married get married or ban marriage all togeather. If you want to get married go to the court house and get married. I think this whole law thing "no same sex marriage" is stupid. What ever happened to freedom of speech??

It's only fair that guy couples are allowed to get married. Think of it this way.... A couple who has been together for 20 years doesn't have any rights. If one is in the emergency room the other is not allowed to go in and see the injured because he or she is not family or a spouce. THAT'S NOT FAIR! Also they can't share health benefits or any of the things people who have been together for a less ammount of time share. THAT'S NOT FAIR!

Now with the religion part of this. They say that gay marriage is against religious beleifs. The question is what religion? Which religion do we choose from to set these standards? I thought there was a separation in church and state. If the church has an issue with it then they can just not let gay marriages take place in a church. Marriages can and do take places outside a church building. And a pastor doesn't have to perform the ceremony. It's a legal matter not a church matter!