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Picture of Bogey
Registered: May 19, 2004
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Many people think the only true information About God is in the Bible. Those people are sorely mistaken. There is a gift God gave us called rason. I'm sure most of you are aware of that. Now, if you apply reason with REVALATION, then you get truth. You get to know God and what's right and wrong. You need both the gifts. Also, society tends to be very subjective. What is with that? It is fine to listen to a person's opinion, but if that person's opinion contradicts your own, you KNOW one of the opinions are false. So, don't sit there and say, ex. "this can be true for you, and this can be true for me." AHHHHH!! I hate that. Seek the truth people. I don't see how anybody can be athiest and nt believe in God. Common sense comes in handy there. Look into the Roman Catholic Church. The Church that Jesus founded and hasn't ever changed.
Also, the Catholic Church doesn't say they are right all the time and ca do no wrong. There is a thing called original sin that creates flaws in humans. Just because some priests commit an immoral act, doesn't mean that the whole Church is immoral. Actually, the Church admits that there is always the possibilty of flaw by having infallible teachings. If a teaching is not infallible, the Church states that there is always the possibilty od incorrectness. The Catholic Church is great! Live a virtuous life people and you will be rewarded. Don't waste your life in this blink of time comopared to afterlife. Hey, if there is not a God, then fine, I was believing the wrong thing. BUT, if there is a God, the people who don't believe are most likely screwed for all eternity. Think about it.
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Registered: December 15, 2003
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I belive I'm fairly versed in my faith if anybody wants to know more post it. I'll do my best to answer and if I don't know I'll ask my priest or one of my friends who knows more than I do. Oh one more thing about the so called Catholic commandment I'm working on that and will shortly have them posted.
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Registered: December 15, 2003
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we don't belive doing x amount of good works gets us to heaven. We do believe that you have to lead a good life after being baptized. there's a big difference there.
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I don't hate Luther he's allowed his own opinion even if I believe its wrong. Then back to the whole Mary thing. I do pray straight to Jesus and yes the best way to get to know someone is to talk to them. Yet praying to the saints and Mary to intercede for us can be helpful. And they don't answer our prayers God does. They just help out.
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Registered: September 18, 2002
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You really think stereotyping will "help" people get into heaven?


how was I stereotyping? Money is a worldly, material thing and doesn't have anything to do with heaven, so how could you "buy" your way into heaven? That's all I said, and all I meant.

-Lynne
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Registered: April 29, 2003
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Alright, I have never found an answer to this that makes any sense.. and after reading the forum... I just want to twitch. People pray to Mary for the purpose of connecting with her to become closer to her Son. This in and of itself is dumb. If i want to get to no someon, I do not go through their parent. And besides that, Jesus is the ultimate companion. There is no way a person needs to go through someone to know Jesus better. All you are doing is adding a middle man.. or woman in this case. This actually separates the closeness of the two people. And its not like Jesus is a hard guy to get to know, he is totally human, and totally God.... yeah that equals 2 but deal for now. Jesus has the abitity as totally God to allow us to get to the Father. And by throwing Mary in there... that gets messy eh? And Mary isn't God, so no reason to go through her. You can more easily pray to the Father through Jesus, afterall Jesus is our "home boy," he "rolls with the same people as us". All Catholics do is throw extra crap in to just be difficult. Anyway, that's all I have right now... and I plan to be back to respond to whatever people say.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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I'm debating about it, moron.
Picture of meandi
Registered: August 26, 2003
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First of all, I am not Catholic.

Then why the **** are you b!tching about it?
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The Bible says you should honor and respect the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. Praying to Mary is a method of respecting and acknowledging her


Man, i wish i could do one of thsoe WRONG buzzer sounds. EHHHH! wrong, it says to honor thy mother and thy father or to love everyone. It does not say that we are to honor mary, give me a verse and i might believe you. Praying to her isn't respecting her, respecting her would be honoring her son. How do you know she even hears our prayers? where is your proof that she can hear you in heaven?

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Jeremiah 11:14 says "Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble." Therefore, God forbids others from praying for his victims. Such prayers would be useless anyway, he says, because he "will not hear them in their time of trouble."


I don't understand how that goes against my point of the bible not saying that you should pray to anyone except God. Also your forgetting about intercession, many times in the bible have people interceded for one another and prevented God's wraith.

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The 10 Commandments are universal to all sects of Christianity.


From what i've heard the catholic ten commandments are a bit different, i just want to hear them from the horses mouth. So why not just put them on their?
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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First of all, I am not Catholic. I was. Second of all, worshipping something is NOT the equivalent to honoring it. You can honor something and also worship them, but solely honoring someone is possible. You can honor Martin Luther King, Jr. for his good deeds, but does that mean you're worshipping him? Yes.. this is a rhetorical question.
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first of alll, i want ot see posted the catholic ten commandments

The 10 Commandments are universal to all sects of Christianity.
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second, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that you should pray to mary or even look to her as important. It says that you should call on the name of the lord.


The Bible says you should honor and respect the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. Praying to Mary is a method of respecting and acknowledging her.
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Third, It says no where in the bible to pray to anyone except God.


Jeremiah 11:14 says "Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble." Therefore, God forbids others from praying for his victims. Such prayers would be useless anyway, he says, because he "will not hear them in their time of trouble."
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Registered: February 20, 2004
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first of alll, i want ot see posted the catholic ten commandments. no one ever did, i want to see them straight out of the bible that you read at your church.

second, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that you should pray to mary or even look to her as important. It says that you should call on the name of the lord.

Third, It says no where in the bible to pray to anyone except God. Prayer is nt a sign of "respect" it's more than that. It's a sign of worship. You're supposed to pray to your God. It even says so in the bible.That's why daniel wouldn't pray to hte king, despite the law.

fourth, I still haven't seen anywehre where mary ascended into heaven.

Fifth, it says no where that mary or any of the saints will defend you before the lord or that they can even hear oyu in heaven, only jesus.
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Registered: August 26, 2003
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By honoring someone, you are not worshipping them;

People honor Jesus, it doesn't mean that they're not worshipping him.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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No. By praying to someone of high importance (such as the mother of Jesus Christ), you are respecting her. Do you disagree with the fact that she deserves respect? By honoring someone, you are not worshipping them; you are acknowledging their influence in an appreciative manner.

Catholics pray through Mary in order to feel more connected with her son. They do not worship Mary, though they regard her as an influential figure of Christianity, which she is.
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Registered: September 13, 2001
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But if someone prays to something, they are acknowledging that it has some great power and can supernaturally change their life. And if you are honoring and recognizing a being for such powers, then you are worshipping it.
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Praying is not the equivalent to worshipping.

Simply because one prays to Mary doesn't mean that they worship her.
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I really do not get the whole Mary thing in Catholicism. She is not God and should not be worshipped as God. In the Bible, she is not mentioned as ever being a holy being or being worthy of worship, so why should you pray to her? Yes, you should honor your mother, but that doesn't mean you worship her because you think she has this supernatural control over your life.
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Whoa. I was expecting a lot of different answers, but not that one. You really think material worldly stuff will "help" people get into heaven?


You really think stereotyping will "help" people get into heaven?
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Registered: September 18, 2002
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and also didn't believe that works could buy your way into heaven, a Catholic practice all the time.

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No, we just like helping people.


Whoa. I was expecting a lot of different answers, but not that one. You really think material worldly stuff will "help" people get into heaven?

-Lynne
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Registered: March 23, 2004
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What do Catholics belive happens to Jews in the afterlife?
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Registered: December 15, 2003
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The angel refers to May as Hail Mary full of grace and if she is full of grace she cannot have sinned. We adore and pray to Mary becasue she is the Mother of God. You honor your mom right so why not honor the Mother of God? Quick question did you see the Passion of Christ and the big part Mary played? Need I say more?
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