Our Book of Discipiline says that gays and the Church are not compatible. But there are some gay pastors in our church making an uprising and threatining to tear us apart. Please tell your pastor to stop this before our church splits! We don't need gays in our Church! Or in any other church!

Wow, I remember when I was a teenager and thought like most of you. Amazing what years of experience, perspective, education and earned wisdom can do for oneself. Life truly is the crucible where all the irrelevancies burn away and all you are left with is eachother. Hating eachother today, will only make the road that much harder to travel to the inevitablity of loving eachother.

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Originally posted by Paintbucket:
Our Book of Discipiline says that gays and the Church are not compatible. But there are some gay pastors in our church making an uprising and threatining to tear us apart. Please tell your pastor to stop this before our church splits! We don't need gays in our Church! Or in any other church!

I agree with you. We need YOUTH who will not COMPROMISE. There is nothing NORMAL in this.

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Originally posted by Holzipan:
wow I can't believe how many of you have interpreted the book of discipline wrongly!

An interpretation can only be proven wrong if the person who created what is being interpreted says it is. And since we can't ask the writers of the Bible or God how it is supposed to be interpreted, no one's interpretation can be proved wrong.

wow I can't believe how many of you have interpreted the book of discipline wrongly!

The concept is that to be a practising homosexual is against the religion, but to actually BE a homosexual and not practise it (ie have gay sex) is allowed. In fact, those who are homosexual but do not practise their homosexuality will get a greater reward because they made that sacrifice.

The reason you are getting a lot of gay pastors is because any gay methodist who believes strongly enough in their own religion to abstain from sex despite their natural instinct, is a very strong believer, ergo they are more likely to become a pastor.

Honestly, I'm not even methodist and I knew that just because I'm open-minded and like to learn about other religions. Sounds like u need to learn about your own.

Remember you're supposed to "love the sinner, hate the sin"

In the methodist church, or all churches?

there was a news release a few months back, stating that gays were acceptable in the church, just not as prominant figures of the church society.

to anyone & everyone who actually agreed with the person who started this thread & to the starter of this thread: go fuck yourselves!

yeah karenmaraya, you should be proud of yourself. that was totally cool.and by the way amreicaisdoomed you are on sick, ignorant, homophobic little s.o.b. and i hope you burn in hell for an eternity for that remark. you are the kind of person that makes me think that guns might actually be a good thing for the world. what the hell ever happened to just accepting people as they are??? gays arent hurting anyone, they're just expressing who they are and looking for just a little support!! isnt that what everyone needs once in a while??

P.S. oh yeah i forgot, queenofhell, i just wanted to say that i'm really sorry about you're cousin and i hope that you're OK.

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Originally posted by bearhug611:
WOW..... karenmaraya: For your job in taking time and bothering to research this subject I give you ten stars. I will try to make them gold, but it might not work, but know they were intended to be gold. **********
So, I congratulate you on a job well done. Most people would just guess. Way to go.

thank you!!!!

WOW..... karenmaraya: For your job in taking time and bothering to research this subject I give you ten stars. I will try to make them gold, but it might not work, but know they were intended to be gold. **********
So, I congratulate you on a job well done. Most people would just guess. Way to go.

hey, lets give this a go... God loves all his children, and his faith and his love are for those who believe in Him.

here is what the official Social Principles of the United Methodist Church book says about Human Sexuality:
"Human Sexuality

We recognize that sexuality is God's good gift to all persons. We believe persons may be fully human only when that gift is acknowledged and affirmed by themselves, the church, and society. We call all persons to the disciplined, responsible fulfillment of themselves, others, and society in the stewardship of this gift. We also recognize our limited understanding of this complex gift and encourage the medical, theological, and social science disciplines to combine in a determined effort to understand human sexuality more completely. We call the Church to take the leadership role in bringing together these disciplines to address this most complex issue. Further, within the context of our understanding of this gift of God, we recognize that God challenges us to find responsible, committed, and loving forms of expression.

Although all persons are sexual beings whether or not they are married, sexual relations are only clearly affirmed in the marriage bond. Sex may become exploitative within as well as outside marriage. We reject all sexual expressions that damage or destroy the humanity God has given us as birthright, and we affirm only that sexual expression that enhances that same humanity. We believe that sexual relations where one or both partners are exploitative, abusive, or promiscuous are beyond the parameters of acceptable Christian behavior and are ultimately destructive to individuals, families, and the social order.

We deplore all forms of the commercialization and exploitation of sex, with their consequent cheapening and degradation of human personality. We call for strict global enforcement of laws prohibiting the sexual exploitation or use of children by adults and encourage efforts to hold perpetrators legally and financially responsible. We call for the establishment of adequate protective services, guidance, and counseling opportunities for children thus abused. We insist that all persons, regardless of age, gender, marital status, or sexual orientation, are entitled to have their human and civil rights ensured.

We recognize the continuing need for full, positive, age-appropriate and factual sex education opportunities for children, young people, and adults. The Church offers a unique opportunity to give quality guidance and education in this area.

Homosexual persons no less than heterosexual persons are individuals of sacred worth. All persons need the ministry and guidance of the church in their struggles for human fulfillment, as well as the spiritual and emotional care of a fellowship that enables reconciling relationships with God, with others, and with self. The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching. We affirm that God's grace is available to all, and we will seek to live together in Christian community. We implore families and churches not to reject or condemn lesbian and gay members and friends. We commit ourselves to be in ministry for and with all persons."

Hey Paintbucket!!!!!!! note the last three sentences please. sorry buddy, but you have been proven wrong.

so basically guys, paintbucket is not speaking for the methodist religion, but rather speaking his personal beliefs which are obviously very different from those of the United Methodist Church

okay thanks yogore.

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also no one really gave me a definition of methodist

I looked on dictionary.com

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A member of an evangelical Protestant church founded on the principles of John and Charles Wesley in England in the early 18th century and characterized by active concern with social welfare and public morals.

I agree with Red on this. Alot of people who claim to be christians are nto christians in practice.

I know that this is Paintbucket's old thing but I'm sure others coming to this board agree with it.

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Our Book of Discipiline says that gays and the Church are not compatible.

If by "Book of Discipline" you mean the Bible then...I beg to differ. The Bible does not say that homosexuality is wrong.

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all i can say is thank god for aids, hopefully it will wipe all of them out before they destroy us.

it is people like this that give us protestants bad names. please pay no mind to any Christian that talks like this. They are part of a cult known as CINO (Christians-In-Name-Only)
i dont like the prospect of gay marriage but never had i ever thought that i d hear anything like this from someone who claims to have Jesus' love overflowing within them.

any protestant that tries to stop gays from to church can hardly be called a protestant.

all right who moves that AMERICAISDOOMED is a sick little *******
also no one really gave me a definition of methodist