Why would you fear someone that is supposed to love you? That's just silly. My Goddess, Luna, is my savior.
quote: I have above a 4.0 and only 300 people my age know more about history/geography/social studies in this country than me
Your GPA does not measure how smart you are. It measures how hard you work. My GPA is a 2.7 but a lot of people consider me to be a genius. I've been watching Jeopardy since I was 7, when I was 12 I started to do better than most of the adults on that show. My low GPA has nothing to do with my intellect. It just shows how lazy I am. You may know so much about history/geography/social studies but you obviously lack heavily in logic.
quote: Most prophets were scholars, so they were literate. Also, the basic message is still intact, even after all these years. The translations are to help different people understand the bible better. Also, the different denominations are to help different people understand better the word of God.
So what! Yes, the 'prophets' were literate! You NEEDED to be IN that TIME FRAME to know that there is/was a God. Were you in the time frame? NO! So how do you know that the 'Bible' is TRUE? How do you know there is a God? If you don't know you can't say that we're wrong, or Gays are wrong. (you shouldn't anyway)
The Bible (in my opinion) was written too force a belief on people. To have control and power over people. That's all I think it is.
quote:Shows how much you know about NC. I CAN drive and do it all the time. Roxboro may have a bunch of hicks, but at least it has over 10,000 people. And if I claim something, I do it. I have sent people to the hospital before. I do have a mind, because I have above a 4.0 and only 300 people my age know more about history/geography/social studies in this country than me. 300. That's not a large margin. Shows how ignorant you are.
So what if you sent people to the hospital, that shows you're an ******* that can't control your anger. That's why they have anger managment. I suggest you go and try that program.
Who CARES if you have a 4.0. I have a 4.5. Big DEAL. That makes you smarter than all of us because why again?
We aren't the ones bragging about beating up people. So shove it. -Sunset
Good for you. Not everyone believes the same thing you do, not prove that being gay is wrong without referring to the Bible, because I have just proved why it is not a reliable source.
quote:Did I ever say I hate people? I hate no one soul. I just don't like the things they do. I DON'T HATE PEOPLE! I HATE THE THINGS THEY DO! Damn, is that too hard to understand?
Actions speak louder than words. If you do not hate any people at all, why did you beat those kids up?
quote:Most prophets were scholars, so they were literate.
Read what I wrote. They were not scholars. The prophets had to dictate what they wanted written to scribes. Very few people were literate back then. Educating everyone is a fairly recent phenomenon.
quote:The translations are to help different people understand the bible better.
The translations were made so others could read it, but those people who translated it lost the meaning during the translation. Also, rulers at the time of many translations had the translators fix it to suit their own wants.
quote:Is it too hard to convivce you people that I don't hate people and love everyone?
It obviously is too hard for you to convince anyone of anything.
quote:Shows how much you know about NC. I CAN drive and do it all the time. Roxboro may have a bunch of hicks, but at least it has over 10,000 people. And if I claim something, I do it. I have sent people to the hospital before. I do have a mind, because I have above a 4.0 and only 300 people my age know more about history/geography/social studies in this country than me. 300. That's not a large margin. Shows how ignorant you are.
I feel bad for the old ladies walking on the sidewalks.
Like I, or anyone else, is scared of you because you claim to have beaten people up, which directly contradicts your whole "I love everyone" idea.
Oh no, you claim to have a 4.0. Guess what. American schools are inflating GPAs, and the work is so easy that it is pathetic. Also, I doubt that you have a 4.0, otherwise you would have basic grammar and spelling skills.
Like history/geography/social studies is actually important. They are only a class because people who get history degrees cannot use it anywhere except in teaching. Geography is only there because Americans are too stupid to go online and look at maps every once in a while. Besides, beating most of America is not that hard. Even I've done it, only I've beaten them in every academic aspect.
I would not try to start up with me about grades, or anyone else on this site, because you posts do not back up your 4.0 claims. Also, other kids here have made much more important achievements than you have.
Now, do what you made this board for. Hang on wait, I forgot, that's to spread hate. Oh well. How about you, oh, I don't know, actually prove that being gay is wrong and stop trying to "prove" that you are smarter than me (because, frankly, you're not)?
quote: Well, you claim to be a Christian and you hate people, and that goes against the Bible, so you are obviously not a Christian. This, of course, is all due to your logic.
quote: Prophets" did not write the Bible; prophets were written about by the people who wrote the Bible. Most of the "prophets" were illiterate, so the only way their exact words could have been written down were by scribes and priests, who could change words or quote them incorrectly.
Not to mention that if God really "told" those "prophets" what to write, His message would have been lost in the translation because something perfect coming through something imperfect would make that perfect thing imperfect (think of it as putting clean water through a pipe covered in dirt; that would make the water dirty by the time it got to you to drink).
Also, we cannot forget how the OT was written over many years, by many different people. And, the words of Jesus were not written down until after he died; only a few of his Disciples were still alive by that time, and they were very old as well. Since they were so old, their minds might not have remembered everything exactly (let's face it, older people have trouble remembering things correctly) and they would have given their interpretation of what happened (regardless of the state of their minds). And do not forget about the scribes thing, since these guys (the disciples) were illiterate as well.
Next, the Bible was written 2000 years ago. It has been translated first from Arabic into Latin and then into whatever other language it spread to from there. You can all see just by looking at the different versions of the English Bibles that the translations have been off a few times.
Now, we get into interpretation of the Bible in this new day and age. The acts in the Bible were symbolic and important to the people of the time. Just take the many stories regarding shepards; they used shepards as symbols because everyone could apply them to their lives. But the Bible does not have anything computer-, fiction-writing-, or engineering-related, etc, in it, so many people nowadays have trouble applying Biblical symbolism that was great for the time to their own lives.
Another interpretation problem is the actual interpretation itself. Do you know how many different Christian Churches there are? A ton, all with their own little twists on it. Some believe in confession, some think the Bible should be taken literally, others think that Mary is not really that important, and the list goes on and on. How can you be sure which Church is the right one? Hell, you cannot even tell which one is the most accurate one (though everyone would say that theirs is the "right" one).
Those are just a few of the reasons I have trouble accepting anything the Bible says, except for its core message of the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you." But, then again, that message is in every major world religion; that is why I am not too worried about choosing one.
I didn't have to be there, it was true. Did I ever say I hate people? I hate no one soul. I just don't like the things they do. I DON'T HATE PEOPLE! I HATE THE THINGS THEY DO! Damn, is that too hard to understand? Most prophets were scholars, so they were literate. Also, the basic message is still intact, even after all these years. The translations are to help different people understand the bible better. Also, the different denominations are to help different people understand better the word of God.
quote: People who are true christians follow God's ultimate wish: Love everyone as you love yourself. I think you, Bucketnuts, and Tallywhacker should try it before claiming to be Christians.
Is it too hard to convivce you people that I don't hate people and love everyone?
quote: Can you drive? No? Then you are a preteen. You are still from a hick town. And who gives a whoop if you claim to have seriously hurt people. All that proves is that you are a jerk who cannot communicate in words and thus uses violence to try to communicate (which does not work, by the way, and it is not very good people skills), if, of course, you have even done what you claim to have done. No one here is scared of you; you are just a small child with no mind at all, who goes around (or claims to) beat people up because he is intolerant of other people's views.
Shows how much you know about NC. I CAN drive and do it all the time. Roxboro may have a bunch of hicks, but at least it has over 10,000 people. And if I claim something, I do it. I have sent people to the hospital before. I do have a mind, because I have above a 4.0 and only 300 people my age know more about history/geography/social studies in this country than me. 300. That's not a large margin. Shows how ignorant you are.
quote:God told the prophets to write the bible. They didn't make it up. They followed his instructions and wrote the book. Come on now.
How do you know that? Were you there? No.
Come on now.
quote:Correction.. if you follow the Bible, you ARE following Gods words. You're following Jesus' words. Jesus words of 'wisdom' is what the Bible is.
How do you know those are Jesus words of 'wisdom'? You weren't there.
quote: Sunset, you know not what you say. The Bible is words that Jesus said long ago. Seeing how Jesus is the Son of God, I do believe what he said was words that God would say.
How do you know Jesus said those words?
quote:Sunset, you know not what you say.
I do know what I am saying, I know what I am talking about.
quote:I'm sorry, i didn't specify. Murderers who are true christians have repented. You know as well as i do that there are many people who merely say they're christians but don't follow the doctrine or many of the beliefs, they just say they are. It's the same with many many religions.
You don't have to follow a religion perfectly to be that religion, if you do, that is bull ****.
So what if Murders HAVE REPENTED! That does NOT BRING BACK THE VICTIM FROM THE DEAD. THAT DOESN'T ERASE THE CRIME. IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY A FAMILIES PAIN AND SORROW.
quote: Do you know ALL gay people? aswell it doesn't have ot be a conscious choice, it miught be sub-conscious, maybe they had an abusive mom and they don't trust women anymore. Maybe they were sexually abused by their father or some male and thought that being attracted to men was right? you don't know so don't spout off. Aswell you're saying it's not a sin to follow God's moral laws? That's not christianity. Christianity is trying to follow God's word and GOd's example. It's repenting when you make a mistake and tryign to avoid making that mistake again. It's believing Jesus was the son of God who died for our sins and turning to Jesus for help and for forgiveness.
I have 10 GAY family members, being gay doesn't rub off. My brother and I have had an abusive mother, he didn't turn gay. The other one never went through any of that and he is STILL gay. Nothing compelled him.
If it's already against 'God's laws' why does repenting change anything?
quote: If you repent of your sins and ask Jesus to forgive you, you will be forgiven. It matters not the severity as long as you repent and come to jesus.
WHY DOES REPENTING CHANGE SOMETHING? That is bull ****, saying you're sorry for whatever 'sin' you commited is BULL. It doesn't ERASE the 'sin'. -Sunset
quote:Ok, if it's ok to be Christian and gay, why does God say in the bible that it's not? Explain that one to me.
Well, you claim to be a Christian and you hate people, and that goes against the Bible, so you are obviously not a Christian. This, of course, is all due to your logic.
quote:Not from Texas thank you, and 15 years old, not a preteen. And if I was charged for it, I would be behind bars serving multiple felonies now. No one takes me seriously, that is, until I send them to the pavement, the hospital, and maybe even a bodybag if they're lucky.
Can you drive? No? Then you are a preteen. You are still from a hick town. And who gives a whoop if you claim to have seriously hurt people. All that proves is that you are a jerk who cannot communicate in words and thus uses violence to try to communicate (which does not work, by the way, and it is not very good people skills), if, of course, you have even done what you claim to have done. No one here is scared of you; you are just a small child with no mind at all, who goes around (or claims to) beat people up because he is intolerant of other people's views.
And then you wonder why no one really cares about what you think.
quote:Well gee, seeing as how we're the only two knowing the correct opinion on this board, I wonder why?
Lol. Again, funny due to its lack of truthfulness.
If you and Tallywhacker are so right, how come you two have yet to prove it? Without, of course, using the Bible because not everyone here follows your little cult. (That means that you must resort to scientific facts from reliable sources in order to have a proper debate, or at least give us something to think about.)
quote:What's better than winning the special olympics?
Not being retarted.
Well, at least they can spell "retarded" correctly.
quote:God told the prophets to write the bible. They didn't make it up. They followed his instructions and wrote the book. Come on now.
"Prophets" did not write the Bible; prophets were written about by the people who wrote the Bible. Most of the "prophets" were illiterate, so the only way their exact words could have been written down were by scribes and priests, who could change words or quote them incorrectly.
Not to mention that if God really "told" those "prophets" what to write, His message would have been lost in the translation because something perfect coming through something imperfect would make that perfect thing imperfect (think of it as putting clean water through a pipe covered in dirt; that would make the water dirty by the time it got to you to drink).
Also, we cannot forget how the OT was written over many years, by many different people. And, the words of Jesus were not written down until after he died; only a few of his Disciples were still alive by that time, and they were very old as well. Since they were so old, their minds might not have remembered everything exactly (let's face it, older people have trouble remembering things correctly) and they would have given their interpretation of what happened (regardless of the state of their minds). And do not forget about the scribes thing, since these guys (the disciples) were illiterate as well.
Next, the Bible was written 2000 years ago. It has been translated first from Arabic into Latin and then into whatever other language it spread to from there. You can all see just by looking at the different versions of the English Bibles that the translations have been off a few times.
Now, we get into interpretation of the Bible in this new day and age. The acts in the Bible were symbolic and important to the people of the time. Just take the many stories regarding shepards; they used shepards as symbols because everyone could apply them to their lives. But the Bible does not have anything computer-, fiction-writing-, or engineering-related, etc, in it, so many people nowadays have trouble applying Biblical symbolism that was great for the time to their own lives.
Another interpretation problem is the actual interpretation itself. Do you know how many different Christian Churches there are? A ton, all with their own little twists on it. Some believe in confession, some think the Bible should be taken literally, others think that Mary is not really that important, and the list goes on and on. How can you be sure which Church is the right one? Hell, you cannot even tell which one is the most accurate one (though everyone would say that theirs is the "right" one).
Those are just a few of the reasons I have trouble accepting anything the Bible says, except for its core message of the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you." But, then again, that message is in every major world religion; that is why I am not too worried about choosing one.
</Bible lesson of the day>
Tallywhacker
quote:Correction.. if you follow the Bible, you ARE following Gods words. You're following Jesus' words. Jesus words of 'wisdom' is what the Bible is.
Correction, see above. Who knows what Jesus actually said or not; we have no accurate records of it.
Zesty
quote:Murderers who are true christians have repented. You know as well as i do that there are many people who merely say they're christians but don't follow the doctrine or many of the beliefs, they just say they are.
People who are true christians follow God's ultimate wish: Love everyone as you love yourself. I think you, Bucketnuts, and Tallywhacker should try it before claiming to be Christians.
quote:Again something that YOU don't know. You talk to me about not knowing things about people and you go and sout out something you don't know about other people. Do you know ALL gay people? aswell it doesn't have ot be a conscious choice, it miught be sub-conscious, maybe they had an abusive mom and they don't trust women anymore. Maybe they were sexually abused by their father or some male and thought that being attracted to men was right? you don't know so don't spout off.
You and your Bible-thumping homophobic friends are the ones who know nothing about homosexuality. If you did, you would realize that the sub-conscious thing you tried to say was completely wrong. That's like saying that if someone hit you once then you would start hitting everyone.
quote:Aswell you're saying it's not a sin to follow God's moral laws? That's not christianity. Christianity is trying to follow God's word and GOd's example. It's repenting when you make a mistake and tryign to avoid making that mistake again. It's believing Jesus was the son of God who died for our sins and turning to Jesus for help and for forgiveness.
Being gay does not go against any of God's laws. Again, if you are going to believe one part of Leviticus, you have to believe all of it. If you believe in Leviticus, you must believe that having interaction with menstruating women, touching anything pig-related, or shaving will result in you going to hell.
Now why don't you repent for being a homophobic moron and try to avoid doing it again?
quote:If you repent of your sins and ask Jesus to forgive you, you will be forgiven. It matters not the severity as long as you repent and come to jesus.
Who knows if God does it that way. Do not forget; He has not talked to us since about the time that we killed His Son.
"""Murderers who are true christians have repented.""" ___So are they technically still murderers in God's eyes? Or is the 'repent and be saved' thing a given for redemption no matter the severity?
quote: I'm sorry, i didn't specify. Murderers who are true christians have repented.
So what. That's not going to bring back their victim, nor is it going to give the families of victims peace of mind.
quote: Aswell you're saying it's not a sin to follow God's moral laws? That's not christianity.
Christianity is going to be the downfall of mankind. If you're going to war with half of the country because of what a book says, we better start digging our own graves.
quote:Again something that YOU don't know. You talk to me about not knowing things about people and you go and sout out something you don't know about other people.
and then say
quote:Christianity is trying to follow God's word and GOd's example. It's repenting when you make a mistake and tryign to avoid making that mistake again. It's believing Jesus was the son of God who died for our sins and turning to Jesus for help and for forgiveness.
quote: God told the prophets to write the bible. They didn't make it up. They followed his instructions and wrote the book. Come on now.
Even if God did tell them to write the book, they are not 'prophets' per say. They often speak of these said 'prophets', but the people that wrote the books were scibes and priests, usually.
quote: Sunset, you know not what you say. The Bible is words that Jesus said long ago. Seeing how Jesus is the Son of God, I do believe what he said was words that God would say.
Now who's trying to sound all prophet-like, Tallywacker? The Bible, contrary to your belief, is not all the words of Jesus. The Bible does contain the Old Testament, in which Jesus is not present, therefore, unable to say anything. Also note the "I believe" part, meaning not everyone believes such.
quote: aswell it doesn't have ot be a conscious choice, it miught be sub-conscious, maybe they had an abusive mom and they don't trust women anymore. Maybe they were sexually abused by their father or some male and thought that being attracted to men was right? you don't know so don't spout off.
I'm gay, and I've never been abused by guys or sexually abused by women. Given, I am not all gay people. Sure. But you still have to keep in mind that it would be next to impossible for all homosexuals to have a basis on which to have made such a subconscious choice. Also, please note that aswell is not a word, but instead is used properly as "as well".
quote: Is that a proven fact? No. How do you know this? Some probably think what they did was right and that murdering someone was a 'message from God'. That isn't repenting.
I'm sorry, i didn't specify. Murderers who are true christians have repented. You know as well as i do that there are many people who merely say they're christians but don't follow the doctrine or many of the beliefs, they just say they are. It's the same with many many religions.
quote: How do you know that? Is it a proven fact, No.
To them, it ISN'T A SIN. It SHOULDN'T be. They didn't CHOOSE to be GAY. It isn't their fault and nothing compelled them.
Again something that YOU don't know. You talk to me about not knowing things about people and you go and sout out something you don't know about other people. Do you know ALL gay people? aswell it doesn't have ot be a conscious choice, it miught be sub-conscious, maybe they had an abusive mom and they don't trust women anymore. Maybe they were sexually abused by their father or some male and thought that being attracted to men was right? you don't know so don't spout off. Aswell you're saying it's not a sin to follow God's moral laws? That's not christianity. Christianity is trying to follow God's word and GOd's example. It's repenting when you make a mistake and tryign to avoid making that mistake again. It's believing Jesus was the son of God who died for our sins and turning to Jesus for help and for forgiveness.
quote: If you follow the Bible, you aren't following Gods words. You're following someone elses words. Some bigots words of 'wisdom' is all the Bible is.
Correction.. if you follow the Bible, you ARE following Gods words. You're following Jesus' words. Jesus words of 'wisdom' is what the Bible is.
Sunset, you know not what you say. The Bible is words that Jesus said long ago. Seeing how Jesus is the Son of God, I do believe what he said was words that God would say.
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