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Picture of rugar
Registered: October 23, 2005
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I know this is suppose to be about ending the isms and all.

I have just found a website that my brother found and told my sister and she told me. Actually my brother told all of us about it, but I forgot the address and so I had to ask my sister for it.

Anyways, the website is about Martin Luther King Jr.
About the TRUTH of Marting Luther King Jr and what they don't teach you in school. It is good and it is true.

MLK's name was Michael Luther King Jr. Daddy King changed his name and his son's name to Martin, it was never really changed to Martin.

Born in 1929, King was the son of a Black preacher known at the time only as "Daddy King." "Daddy King" named his son Michael. In 1935, "Daddy King" had an inspiration to name himself after the Protestant reformer Martin Luther. He declared to his congregation that henceforth they were to refer to him as "Martin Luther King" and to his son as "Martin Luther King, Jr." None of this name changing was ever legalized in court. "Daddy" King's son's real name is to this day Michael King.

Here is the website: http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html
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I've experienced a lot of racism in my life. And I don't care. I've been called a nigger many times


Yeah I have too. I live in a Southern State and it's prevalent everyday. I'm not going to just act like it doesn't happen. We laugh it off all the time. Yeah it is funny to us, but It's not funny all the time. If you don't educate people then how will they know that it's wrong. Rascism is wrong and I'm not going to get over it. If I feel that someone is offending me then I'll say something. Even though I'm black this ole white man thought I was form India when I was in a store one day. He called me a terroist in front of everyone and said that I shouldn't be allowed in there, because I was going to blow it up. I laughed in his face, because not only am I black, but his rascism and ignorance was so evident it was hilarious. I will however offend people who have given me what I have today. Whether someone feels that that pesron doesn't deserve it. If he/ she thinks that somelse else deserves it more than Rosa then please lt me know.


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How can you say that about MLK and yet not stick up for Rosa Parks.


I do stick up for Rosa Parks when I need to. If I could rate Saturnmoth's "racist" comment on a level of racism, I'd give it a 0.5 out of 10. Doesn't bother me, so I see no need to defend Rosa. I defended MLK because that website and Rugar's level of racism was a 9. That site says blacks should be sent back to Africa, Saturn never said that. Rosa and MLK are both my heroes and I'll defend them as I see fit, not when you say I should.

I've experienced a lot of racism in my life. And I don't care. I've been called a nigger many times, some jerk sent me a photo of a black man hanging by his neck from a tree, in highschool the lights went out and some kid said to me "I didn't see any black people when the lights went out". Did I flip out? No. In fact, there was another black girl standing next to me and we looked each other and laughed. The uncomfortable look on the guy's face was far more satisfying than anything I ever could have said. All I can say is, get over it. If you think someone is being racist, deal with it. Move on. I've moved on from this thread, because it doesn't matter to me anymore. Racists are stupid and I don't give them the satisfaction of being offended. Just let it go.
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I don't care if that site is true or not. Martin Luther King is my hero. His influence has given me rights that I deserve and appreciate. And I thank him every damn day.



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However, many other people; black, white, spanish, and any other ethnicity one could think of have done equally if not greater things for this country and for the need of social improvement. It seems highly extraordinary and unfair that he is placed on such a grand platform while others of equal accomplishment are overlooked...


However you have nothing to say about this EG. This person is pretty much saying that his accomplishments aren't any better than anyone else's. MLK made it possible today that we are even on the same level as whites. How can you say that about MLK and yet not stick up for Rosa Parks. She did just as much to hep and yet you have nothing to say about this. And I'm the one that's wishy-washy and gets you confused?


"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Oh my goodness. Every time someone has to bring about the names of others that was "so much better that MLK." Come on that's bull. MLK isn't put on a pedastal, because he's black. He did so much for this country and not just for blacks. He wanted white people to see the errors of their ways. No one's accomplishments are being overlooked. If you choose not to educate yourself with that knowledge then why should anyone else. They shouldn't be obligated to teach you that in school you should want to learn on your own the truth behind this country and every other one. I mean look at Che Guevara. I wasn't taught anything about him yet I held myself responsible to learn about him and Hitler, Nat Turner, Malcolm X, Huey Newton, and others.


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I'm not saying MLK Jr was a bad person, nor am I racist, nor am I saying he did nothing for this country. However, many other people; black, white, spanish, and any other ethnicity one could think of have done equally if not greater things for this country and for the need of social improvement. It seems highly extraordinary and unfair that he is placed on such a grand platform while others of equal accomplishment are overlooked...

Just a thought


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Coretta Scott King passed away today. May she rest in peace.


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Think about this for a moment, guys. If this page is racist, then isn't this page anti-american? I mean, they're both pretty much identical concepts. People are just so concerned about the social taboo of "Racism", it affects their judgement.
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Rugar, you missed this link at the bottom of the page... http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Notice the symbol in the upper left hand corner that says "White Pride World Wide". And peruse the forum and notice how much they believe in segregation, how much they think blacks should be sent back to Africa, and how they think we're dumber and more dangerous than them. They don't like MLK for a reason.

I'm sorry, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for the man that helped give me my civil rights. If you want to believe the stuff put together by white supremacists that's your problem. They'll say anything to make blacks look bad and whites look good.

I am black and I disagree with it. Every other black person in Anchorage, AK would find this appalling. I can imagine that black people at your church wouldn't care for MLK. They're probably as crazy as you are. If it weren't for MLK, your sister-in-law would never be black. Your best friend wouldn't be black. It would be illegal for you to go to school with black people. Illegal for you to marry a black person. It would be illegal for me to vote. I could be beaten to death, just for being black, and the law wouldn't do a damn thing about it. I would be treated like a dangerous animal. I wouldn't be able to talk to you the way I'm talking to you now without being thrown in jail.

I don't care if that site is true or not. Martin Luther King is my hero. His influence has given me rights that I deserve and appreciate. And I thank him every damn day.
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I believe that link is true and no I am not racist either.
My sister-in-law who is black saw the link and agrees with it. She is from Alaska too.
About half my family is black. My bestfriend is black.

The black's that go to the church were I go don't even care for MLK. And I'm not just saying that cause I'm white and think I know what I'm talking about, but because they said it.

If you want to celebrate his b-day then go right ahead. I am not going to try and stop you.
Like I said I believe that the link is to be telling the truth and you don't. I am ok with that.

And that is all I got to say about that.
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Rugar: Honestly, this is called slandering. White supremists want whites to look good and blacks to look like the spawns of Satan (which they as a race ARE NOT).

MLK Jr. was an amazing person. Despite what you've just said about him, would you rather we were still segregated? Would you rather that none of it had happened at all? Let's just say that his supposed "beating" of the white women were true (though I don't believe it). Would you prefer he let millions of people suffer or three people? Or perhaps we should reverse time and set those cops back on the black people. Let's just let them beat them to death. That WON'T solve anything. You might as well slander Rosa Parks and all the rest of them while you're at it.

I don't think I'll ever be able to believe what you have just said. I've celebrated MLK Jr. Day religiously for as long as I can remember. We used to make a cake and everything, and I'm not even black.


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Why did I have to be born the wrong race? It's not fair...
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I am doing the samething you've done to me.
I give you proff and all, but no you can't handle the truth.


Wow. It is not proof. All you're proving to me is how racist you are. Like I said, that website is run my white supremacists who hate black people and black civil rights.

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Martin Luther King, Jr., (January 15, 1929-April 4, 1968) was born Michael Luther King, Jr., but later had his name changed to Martin. His grandfather began the family's long tenure as pastors of the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, serving from 1914 to 1931; his father has served from then until the present, and from 1960 until his death Martin Luther acted as co-pastor. Martin Luther attended segregated public schools in Georgia, graduating from high school at the age of fifteen; he received the B. A. degree in 1948 from Morehouse College, a distinguished Negro institution of Atlanta from which both his father and grandfather had been graduated. After three years of theological study at Crozer Theological Seminary in Pennsylvania where he was elected president of a predominantly white senior class, he was awarded the B.D. in 1951. With a fellowship won at Crozer, he enrolled in graduate studies at Boston University, completing his residence for the doctorate in 1953 and receiving the degree in 1955 In Boston he met and married Coretta Scott, a young woman of uncommon intellectual and artistic attainments. Two sons and two daughters were born into the family.

In 1954, Martin Luther King accepted the pastorale of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama. Always a strong worker for civil rights for members of his race, King was, by this time, a member of the executive committee of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the leading organization of its kind in the nation. He was ready, then, early in December, 1955, to accept the leadership of the first great Negro nonviolent demonstration of contemporary times in the United States, the bus boycott described by Gunnar Jahn in his presentation speech in honor of the laureate. The boycott lasted 382 days. On December 21, 1956, after the Supreme Court of the United States had declared unconstitutional the laws requiring segregation on buses, Negroes and whites rode the buses as equals. During these days of boycott, King was arrested, his home was bombed, he was subjected to personal abuse, but at the same time he emerged as a Negro leader of the first rank.

In 1957 he was elected president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, an organization formed to provide new leadership for the now burgeoning civil rights movement. The ideals for this organization he took from Christianity; its operational techniques from Gandhi. In the eleven-year period between 1957 and 1968, King traveled over six million miles and spoke over twenty-five hundred times, appearing wherever there was injustice, protest, and action; and meanwhile he wrote five books as well as numerous articles. In these years, he led a massive protest in Birmingham, Alabama, that caught the attention of the entire world, providing what he called a coalition of conscience. and inspiring his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail", a manifesto of the Negro revolution; he planned the drives in Alabama for the registration of Negroes as voters; he directed the peaceful march on Washington, D.C., of 250,000 people to whom he delivered his address, "l Have a Dream", he conferred with President John F. Kennedy and campaigned for President Lyndon B. Johnson; he was arrested upwards of twenty times and assaulted at least four times; he was awarded five honorary degrees; was named Man of the Year by Time magazine in 1963; and became not only the symbolic leader of American blacks but also a world figure.

At the age of thirty-five, Martin Luther King, Jr., was the youngest man to have received the Nobel Peace Prize. When notified of his selection, he announced that he would turn over the prize money of $54,123 to the furtherance of the civil rights movement.

On the evening of April 4, 1968, while standing on the balcony of his motel room in Memphis, Tennessee, where he was to lead a protest march in sympathy with striking garbage workers of that city, he was assassinated.


http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1964/king-bio.html

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On April 3, 1968, King prophetically told a euphoric crowd:

"It really doesn't matter what happens now.... some began to... talk about the threats that were out -- what would happen to me from some of our sick white brothers.... Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place, but I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over, and I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. And so I'm happy tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord."

King was assassinated the next evening, April 4, 1968, at 6:01 PM, on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee, while preparing to lead a local march in support of the predominantly black Memphis sanitation workers' union which was on strike at the time. Friends inside the motel room heard the shot fired and ran to the balcony to find King shot in the throat. He was pronounced dead at St. Joseph's hospital at 7:05 PM . The assassination led to a nationwide wave of riots in more than 60 cities. Four days later, President Lyndon Johnson declared a national day of mourning for the lost civil rights leader. A crowd of 300,000 attended his funeral that same day.


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Two months after King's death, escaped convict James Earl Ray was captured at London's Heathrow Airport while trying to leave the United Kingdom on a false Canadian passport in the name of Ramon George Sneyd. Ray was quickly extradited to Tennessee and charged with King's murder, confessing to the assassination on March 10, 1969, (though he recanted this confession three days later). Later, Ray would be sentenced to a 99-year prison term.

Ray, a presumed white supremacist and segregationist, allegedly killed King because of the latter's extensive civil rights work. On the advice of his attorney Percy Foreman, Ray took a guilty plea to avoid a trial conviction and thus the possibility of receiving the death penalty, although it is unlikely that a death sentence would have been carried out, due to the US Supreme Court's 1972 decision in the case of Furman v. Georgia that invalidated all state death penalty laws then in force.

Ray fired Foreman as his attorney (from then on derisively calling him "Percy Fourflusher") claiming that a man he met in Montreal, Canada with the alias "Raoul" was involved, as was his brother Johnny, but not himself, further asserting that although he didn't "personally shoot Dr. King," he may have been "partially responsible without knowing it," hinting at a conspiracy. He spent the remainder of his life attempting (unsuccessfully) to withdraw his guilty plea and secure the trial he never had.



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Rev. Jesse Jackson, who was with King at the time of his death, noted "The fact is there were saboteurs to disrupt the march. [And] within our own organization, we found a very key person who was on the government payroll. So infiltration within, saboteurs from without and the press attacks. ... I will never believe that James Earl Ray had the motive, the money and the mobility to have done it himself. Our government was very involved in setting the stage for and I think the escape route for James Earl Ray."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King%2C_Jr.
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There really is a book called "And the walls came tumbling down", by Rev.Ralph Abernathy.
It's about the Civil Rights movement and all.

He really was a friend of MLK.

I am doing the samething you've done to me.
I give you proff and all, but no you can't handle the truth.
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I read that. All lies and bullshit.
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Here's a little something I found out one one of the side links.

The Death of the Dream:
The Day Martin Luther King Was Shot

January 6, 1964, was a long day for Martin Luther King Jr. He spent the morning seated in the reserved section of the Supreme Court, listening as lawyers argued New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a landmark case rising out of King's crusade against segregation in Alabama. The minister was something of an honored guest: Justice Arthur Goldberg quietly sent down a copy of Kings account of the Montgomery bus boycott, "Stride Toward Freedom," asking for an autograph. That night King retired to his room at the Willard Hotel. There FBI bugs reportedly picked up 14 hours of party chatter, the clinking of glasses and the sounds of illicit sex--including King's cries of "I'm f--ing for God" and "I'm not a Negro tonight!"

Note: What is not mentioned in this article is that Martin Luther King was having sex with three White women, one of whom he brutally beat while screaming the above mentioned quotes. Much of the public information on King's use of church money to hire prostitutes and his beating them came from King's close personal friend, Rev. Ralph Abernathy (pictured above), in his 1989 book, "And the walls came tumbling down."

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Newsweek Magazine 1-19-1998, page 62

"And the walls came tumbling down," by Rev. Ralph Abernathy (1989)

If you search Ralph Abernathy you will fing out that he was a friend of MLK.
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How do you know that it is true? Because they said so?? I don't believe that guy is his friend at all. MLK is dead. Anyone could claim to be his friend and no one would know if it's true or not.

Anything hosted by a site advocating segregation, the deportation of blacks and asians and white supremacy is always going to be dishonest so that the white race looks good and blacks look like brainless, inferior animals.

MLK was a great man. I didn't learn that from school. I learned that from his son.
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How do you know it's not the truth?

Even though some of the stuff that the guy has came from a very close personal friend of MLK.
Rev. Ralph Abernathy
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Rugar, you are sooo fucking stupid. That website is hosted by White Supremacists. It is not the truth. It's biased propaganda being spread around by white nationalists that hate black people. And dammit, I'm pissed off at you.
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I was just telling you something that was on the link.

There is other stuff besides him changing his name.
Like he was with the communist party.

I am sorry if anyone got upset about the link, but it's the truth.
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