Ok- it sounds like there is some sort of argument going on in this noiseboard- and it's rather confusing. Words can be tricky and it sounded like people were arguing over who is more discriminated against (white people or black people). I know that this probably wasn't intentional, but the messages can be interpreted that way. Anycrap I think I have a clear, concise solution- DISCRIMINATION AND STEREOTYPES AGAINST ANYONE (BLACK, WHITE, PURPLE, WHATEVER) IS WRONG THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS MORE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE IT'S ALL JUST PLAIN WRONG!!!!!!! I think that is something we can all agree on -right?

I believe that race has nothing to do with why Britney is being harassed. Well, in my opinion it isn't. I think people really started talking about her after she did the performance on the MTV 2000 music awards. Because she grew up and her music changed and matured.

[QOUTE]1) eve is real not plastic. 2) eve is not the 'perfect' body, ie sculpted abs, BLONDIE, some meat on her actually!!
3) eve has had the hard knocks, what does brittany know, tennesee?
4) eve does her own thing, not coreographed dance and everything the record lables want of her.
5) Eve has a fahioin sence, not just what her agents put in front of her to ware.

i am not racist, or i so hope not but this is what i see. ITS IN BLACK AND WHITE THIS TIME FOLKS!!![/QUOTE]

1.How do you know if Britney is plastic or not?
2.Who said the perfect body is sculpted abs and being blonde? Eve has blonde hair.
3. What do you mean what does Britney know? Please elaborate!4. In the music industry you don't always have a choice of what you want to do to sell records.
5. I'm pretty sure both Eve and Britney choose what they want to wear time to time. And Eve isn't always in style neither is Britney.
You don't seem like a racist to me but you are critizing someone you don't know. And tell me where it is written in "black in white."Because that is basically your own opinion of Britney Spears.

ok the reason people pick on brittany and not eve is because....
1) eve is real not plastic
2) eve is not the 'perfect' body, ie sculpted abs, BLONDIE, some meat on her actually!!
3) eve has had the hard knocks, what does brittany know, tennesee?
4) eve does her own thing, not coreographed dance and everything the record lables want of her.
5) Eve has a fahioin sence, not just what her agents put in front of her to ware.

i am not racist, or i so hope not but this is what i see. ITS IN BLACK AND WHITE THIS TIME FOLKS!!!

I was going to prove a point that blacks are discriminated and am getting yelled for discriminating?

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many people think that blacks are suppose to be more like criminals or lesser people in society. This is affirmed by many facts. One there is affirmitive action in workplaces and colleges to create a more equal playing feild.

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was just establishing that there is discrimination. The fact htat the us needs to use affirmitive action to make things equal proves that. I was not saying it is a good thing but a BAD THING!

as for the mess about singers...I was saying taht there is a stereotype of what blacks are suppose to do and what whites are suppose to do. Now, the public isnt the only thing responsible for the stereotypes, though they are what the stereotypes are sold for. A LOT OF (not all) black rappers rhyme about rough life in ghettos, having sex and violence. When one steps out of those bounds they are being independent but a lot times are though as sell outs to their "roots". Its the same for white singers. Yeah it depends on what kind of music you sing, but does what kind of music you sing depend on your race? many people laugh at the "equation" for a boy band and say its fake, but there are equations for everykind of music to sell, thats why the production companies nad record companies get a lot of hte money. Does race play a part in th eequation? no one can say yes or no without being called a racist or being naive.

The crack thing is something that I learned from the political scientist from a college (the reason that I said he was from a college is because someone asked where I got it from...k). Now the whole point is there is a stereotype of blacks being ghetto (in media and socially, though it isnt always true and definitely isnt right, it is a predominant trend and thought among many people. Maybe not people you know but peopel I know it is). Now how does this clue into the whole crack thing. Crack cocaine is a "ghetto" drug because it is cheaper and people in ghettos have less money and since blacks live in the ghetto (just a train of thought that isnt right but commonly thoguht) they are the ones that use crack. so instead of making all cocaine have a manditory prison sentence, only crack does having a discriminatory effect. So hypothetically there are more blacks in prison but only 1/3 of drug users are black. It is something that is messed up yes. And i was showing another way that stereotypes fit in. HTe stereotype that blacks are bad gehtto things (I DONT AGREE WITH IT! but that is waht is saying). It is a thought that has lasted since enslavement and some peopel still beleive (you cant deny the KKK still makes itself known).

THe whole point was to agree yes, there is reverse discrimination and regular discrimination but it is all caused by stereotypes that are not nesicerially true.

I dont know where the numbers came from and i am not taking the time to look them up because I dont care if you beleive me or not. they were factual statistics that were presented to me. I never said that blacks were criminals but they have been stereotyped as such. and the prof that gave the speech had here specialty major in race relations and has kids of a different nationality whose first language was spanish so i dont htink she discriminates agaisnt minorities thoguh she was white.

Liltrumpetgurl, you did say that. And if that isn't what you meant, you should be clear on what you're saying.

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Originally posted by liltrumpetgurl:
many people think that blacks are suppose to be more like criminals or lesser people in society. This is affirmed by many facts. One there is affirmitive action in workplaces and colleges to create a more equal playing feild.

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To liberalchic: That statement was directed towards AngelFace...I put the wrong name.
To Anonynmus1: No one is to blame but those who did the torturing in the past. But everyone has their own opinion and deal with it a different way. By lashing out on those who had nothing to do with it but belong to that race.

Liberalchic, liltrumpetgrl

I'm confused. I really don't know what you two are talking about. Liltrumpetgrl, who cares if this guy teaches at Albion. Gives us solid facts, not some guy's opinion. As for liberalchic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you've slipped into the state of mind that some white people do. It's like this: it seems that you think that white people don't owe black people anything. That's true to a point. As
many people say, do the children of slave owners owe black people anything or it's not our fault what happened in the past. True, it's not. But there are still MANY racist people in the world and believe it or not black people are still treated as second class citizens. And I'm not saying that white people are the only racist people. But white people have a much more negative image of black people than they should. Try looking at things from the other side of the fence and maybe you'll change you're views some.

all blacks are racists or all whites are...jsut that there is some one each side. and for future refference, i never said blacks were more likely to be criminals. I said taht they are less likely to do drugs (specifically cocaine) but more likely to be arrested (there are more in prison now) on drug charges because the only form of cocaine with amanditory drug charge is crack and it is stereotyped as a "ghetto" drug because it is cheaper than powder.

you are all either saying that african americans or white people are rascist, u are all generalizing.. u cannot say that a whole community is rascit based on one incident with one person!

The girl sounds like she has some issues and is hypitcal, she was treating you the same way racist whites have done to blacks and other ethec groups. When it comes to rasicm to black and whites there tends to be a double standred. The fact that there are some racist black people tends to be overlooked or it's defended because of what African Amercians have gone through for centreys while racism towards whites tends to be taken lightly, the media is a perfect example, shows like the Hughelys makes rasict jokes and sterotypes against whites and it's considered entertainment yet if the show was mostly an all white cast and the jokes where coming out of the mouth of a white person and aimed at blacks many people would be screaming rasicm and good chances of a lawsuit being filed

Are white children today supposed to be responsible for what their ancestors did to african-american people in the past?

YoungQueen,
I have absolutely no idea what u r talking about

saying taht blacks are more likely to be criminals, they are more likely to be arrested on drug charges (though they are only 1/3 of the drug users they are 2/3 of the people in jail on drug charges). This is the way the laws are written. HTe laws were written so it would be easier to pick up blacks on hte charges using the stereotype that crack is a "gehtto drug" because it is cheaper. THe speaker i was listening to said since more blacks are poorer and more live in urban areas, they are targeted (not a quote but paraphrase). The speaker was saying the law was written to get blacks on drug charges, and then take their voting rights away (temp. or permanantly) because they were in prinson.

A political science prof at albion college in Albion, MI.

As for the singers (j-lo as a member of a minority), it is a stereotype for rappers and hip hoppers to be a minority. They sing about sex drugs gehtto life or whatever it is ( and i can reasearch and give a study of the ratio of who sings about sex and drugs to what race there is if you want). THe "pop" scene in the bubble gum sense you are talking of (FYI pop. actually means what is popular so it can go for anything) is predominately white. Is there any arguing to that? It is wrong to stereotype things in this way but record companies definitely do that because they want the masses to buy it so they make their client into what they think the masses want. They have researchers to do this. Their artis is suppose to represent something (wether they realy do or not). So when an artist wants to change into another form of singing they get slack because they don't fit into their tightly knit slot in the music industry.

yea umm~ liltrumpetgirl
i dont know where u pulled that out of. A lot of people do have stereotypes for blacks and whites, its always gonna be like that. But that is the result of being nieve and ignorant. There is nothing u can do about that.

And I wasnt telling you that eve and j-lo(btw, she aint black), ja rule, dmx, and lal arent talking about sex and drugs. What i was saying~ was that britney and eve are not even close to being related to each other. They are totally different people.

The comparisons she gave were really messed up. She was saying that black singers can sing about the same thing that white singers sing but won't be treated the same. Which is pretty vague. All those singers are different, so why should they be treated the same way. And, it depends who u are hangin around with. Cuz, obviously, she probably doesnt hang around different people. Do u even talk or understand anything about the African-American life, society, and culture? It is a lot different of white culture. They are not singing the same things. Britney i dont think sings about drugs or pimps or ghetto life, or what she grew up with. You are comparing bubblegum pop songs to eve~ rap. There is a lot of misunderstandings when it comes to that kind of stuff.

I would like to see the facts that state blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites. Liltrumpetgurl, where are you getting your facts from? And as for what you said below, I can't understand what you're trying to say. It doesn't make any sense to me.

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There is also this thing about cocain. Crack and powder cocain have the same effects but crack cocain has a manditory jail time while powder doesnt. Crack cocain is cheaper and is thought to be a "ghetto" drug. though it is esimated that 2/3 of drug users are white, 2/3 of the people in jail on drug charges are black. why is this? because the stereotype of drug users is they are black.

so when a white boy or lil southern white girl talk about the same thing as blacks (youre telling me that eve and j lo ja rule dmx and lal those singers arent talking about sex and drugs?) there is contreversy. It isnt right but affirmitive action and many anti-discrimination groups.

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The reason why I asked why she reffered to her as black is because some do take offense to being called black. And if she called her black she might of got offended and said what she said.

The fact that whites are told they shouldnt do any of these things is also wrong...there are stereotypes on each side, but instead of worrying about if what they are saying (or singing) is politically correct we should worry about what they are saying and listen to others, it is expression. Expression makes us all unique, and individual while uniting a while

many people think that blacks are suppose to be more like criminals or lesser people in society. This is affirmed by many facts. One there is affirmitive action in workplaces and colleges to create a more equal playing feild.

There is also this thing about cocain. Crack and powder cocain have the same effects but crack cocain has a manditory jail time while powder doesnt. Crack cocain is cheaper and is thought to be a "ghetto" drug. though it is esimated that 2/3 of drug users are white, 2/3 of the people in jail on drug charges are black. why is this? because the stereotype of drug users is they are black.

so when a white boy or lil southern white girl talk about the same thing as blacks (youre telling me that eve and j lo ja rule dmx and lal those singers arent talking about sex and drugs?) there is contreversy. It isnt right but affirmitive action and many anti-discrimination groups.

that is definetly a biased observation. Have you been around anyone besides white people? There is a much different attitude towards entertainment than what u described. Eve doesnt sing about how she wants some guy dancing upon her and isnt even gross compared to britany spears if you think about it. And eminem~ he is much more extreme about things. He raps about someone killing their wife who is pregnant and trust me, he definetly attracts much more attention. He sued his mom for god's sake! He is a lot more different than other rappers. I really dont see a comparison when it comes to brittany and eve, or eminem and a lot of other rappers. Its all people's opinions. Most of my friends and family is black and we talk about a lot of things that white people dont talk about. Its very different. You are just talking about how white society seems to think about entertainment. Yea~ a lot of rappers say nasty things, but so do a lot of white singers. In fact, practicly everyone sings about nasty things.

I think there are a lot of things in America that are different for blacks and whites. Take for example criticism in the entertainent industry, Brittany Spears gets all this flack for dressing like a ho while people like Eve (not that I don't like Eve or anything) get nothing, and Eminem gets all this attention while no one talks about any of those other rappers who are talking about the same gross stuff. I don't think this is special treatment for black people or anything, in fact I think it's the opposite. I think that people expect that black people are vulgar or profane automatically. Now what does that say about America?????????????????????