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Registered: February 28, 2003
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killow....alright, i get what you are saying and i really do know that, but what i was trying to say is that it's just as not fair to us as it is for them to be discriminated. for example, if i met and african american person for the first time, i wouldn't automatically assume all kinds of racial things about him/her, and i am not saying that al black people are like this, but it has been my experience that when a black person approaches me, it's a whole different story and they assume that we are the same as all those people that enslaved them back then. i just don't understand why they can't see that things have changed and i don't get why these certain people want respect and equality, but are only making the racism problem worse by stereotyping (in this case stereotyping white people). i know that there are still white people who hate black people and discriminate against them, but isn't this attitude giving them more reason? and to what you said before about whites being treated better, i kind of don't understand what you were trying to say...yah they are treated better by OTHER white people...i kind of don't get that part....i don't know, i am kind of confused about all this and i admit, my view on the subject is probably limited because i don't know what it is like to be black and almost all the black people i have known have never stated any other opinion than, "white people are stupid crackers"...real inteligent. but please enlighten me; what am i supposed to think about something like this? -e.k.
Registered: February 09, 2003
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Oh, I forgot to talk about Al Sharpton. Now all is an extreme guy, no doubt. But he's not corrupt. When NO ONE would make a stand for that murder, who was the one who actually stood up? It was Sharpton. His methods may be questioned, but the fact is he made a stand. Why is he being criticized for making a stand against something that is wrong?

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I just hope people will treat whites and minorities equally, and not overcompensate for old abuses.


What the hell are you talking about? Affirmative action is a safeguard, cause there ARE still MANY prejudiced people out there. Get a clue. Just cause you live in a sheltered world doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. It's a whole different world from the other side.
Registered: February 09, 2003
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JusticeConservativism, I'm not going to argue with you that Jesse Jackson is whack. But I wouldn't call him corrupt. What do you mean he isn't helping the black people? Not so much anymore, but back in the day, when no one wanted to make a stand, he did. Say what you want about his character, but unless you're black, you aren't in a position to determine how much he helped. Besides that, look at his global influence. Jesse Jackson has had a hand in many serious global peacetalks and what not. Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery, does that mean he didn't do anything? Bull****. And get off this left wing **** too. It's people like you that divide this country through all your political bull****. We're a damn country, why all the in-fighting? Parties need to be abolished. Anyway, Jesse Jackson is a ****ty person, no doubt, and pretty extreme. But he DID help.
Registered: February 09, 2003
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Swirling, I think it's messed up that people still say that to you. There's no excuse for that. But you gotta understand something. Black people, at least the ones I know, HATE it when someone starts saying "that was 200 years ago" like it is long and gone. Bull**** it's long and gone. Sure, racism isn't blatant anymore, but it's still very much alive. Yeah, people aren't burning crosses and lynching nigras anymore, but the prejudice is still there. Maybe you should try to see things from the other side. I'm not making an excuse for what those people said to you. It's jacked up. But I think you're confused as to why they do it. And people are striving for equality for everyone. That's what many white people don't get. White people are treated better than anyone in society, so I guess it's hard for them/you all to see the prejudice that still exists. Yeah, we've come a long way, but there's still a lot out there. You should try seeing things from a black person's point of view.
Registered: February 28, 2003
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i see this hypocrisy EVERY day. at the high school i attent about 78 percent of the kids there are african american or asian american, an everywhere i go, it's always, "stupid white girl/boy"...like "white" is an insult, exactly how people use the word "gay" or "******" as a derrogatory term, now "white" has become one of those terms. i don't blam anyone for having a beef with the white race IN GENERAL because, it's true about the way we USED to treat them...but to throw this on OUR generation's face is completly hypocritical. there is no reason to judge ANY single white person for what a bunch of ****** did 200 years ago. with all the different races in america and while we are trying to strive for equality for EVERYONE, why would anyone want to keep racism alive? i think that the people who say and do these things are just trying to look better than they think white people are, but obviously it makes them look like bigger fools. -e.k. Wink
Registered: October 30, 2002
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Has anyone here noticed that whenever someone in the black community does something against whites, many black leaders such as Jesse Jackson defend them because they are "one of their own"? That these same people intimidate white business leaders into accepting affirmative action, which in itself discriminates against non-white (or Asian) people? That those same leaders have not done anything to improve the black community in thirty years, other than keep them ignorant by opposing vouchers so kids can leave poor schools, and keeping them in fear by opposing measures against gangs and supporting gun control (when criminals get most of their weapons on the black market, and law abiding people are forced to give up their protection)? I have, and I think it’s ridiculous.

Does anyone here seriously think that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the other left-wingers really care about the minorities they claim to be helping. No, of course not. Jesse Jackson, formally a poor black, has not helped blacks out of poverty despite his intimidation of businesses and other actions. He has a history of mob connections, bribery, lying (he claims he was at MLK's side. Many other people were, not him) and fathering illegitimate children. These are the people that minorities have as leaders? What happened in this country that left these people in charge? The civil rights movement morphed into anti-white rhetoric and use of minorities as political pawns (i.e. the race card, to quote OJ Simpson's outrageous murder defense)

I'm really outraged that people can be exploited by those in their own race, and that those who speak out are shouted down as racist when they're really just voicing an opinion. We should be able to criticize any leader, no matter what race they may be. Defense or favoring of someone soley on the basis of race is pure racism, regardless of who its directed at. I just hope people will treat whites and minorities equally, and not overcompensate for old abuses.

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster. And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you." ~Nietzche
Registered: January 14, 2002
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I don't hate being white and I'm sorry if that was your interpretation. I hate people 1)sterotyping people becuz of someone else's action and b) I don't think it makes any sense calling someone black or white when as u read from my post no one is as dark as the night sky nor white as a sheet of paper so its quite reduntant(sp?)calling someone a color they are not
God BLess,
Katie Smile
Registered: April 03, 2002
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Sweetheart, you are what you are. You can't really help being called white. I'm black and can't help being called black. I'm not African-American, cause I'm not from Africa. I'm black.
I always thought alot of whit people were proud to be they're color. I know I'm proud to be me.
And of course their is rasicm, and I'm almost positive you're no bigot.
But if a vast majority of your race is seen as Preppy,money-hungry, ruthless bigots, then at least one time in your life, U will be stereotyped w/ the rest of them.
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Registered: December 01, 2002
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Right on, Teddy! I want to be seen as me, not a color.

Anyway, about the whole ancestor thing, that doesn't make any sense. You can't control what your great great great (etc.) grandparents did, or help what family you're born into. And come on, what would happen if everyone was judged by their parents? That would be an absolute nightmare for me.

Yes, everyone should start with a clean record when they're born, because you choose your own path and shouldn't be held responsible for what you're ancestors did, because it's all in the past. It's over and we all need to move on.

Peace out,
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Registered: December 29, 2002
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Hey Jookly,
Could I ask a question to you. Ok Ok, you say if your white then you will be called white but, why can't people just call people by their first name?
Bye Have a nice day
Signed
NoBody Important So Don't Mind Me Just Take care and Be the best you can be Big Grin
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Registered: December 19, 2002
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you dont like being called white? if you are white of thats what you will be called, *******.
Registered: September 10, 2002
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yeah, i hate being called white too...im more of a...peachie tan colour Big Grin
Registered: March 17, 2002
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Something along the lines of calling his/her gay black friend, white... And he/she likes to be called a Cracker.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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um, can someone translate to me what she said. I got that the guy is gay, but as there were no correct verb forms and little punctuation, I haven't a clue what she said!
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Registered: July 09, 2002
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With the exception of the gay part, I know people like that.
Registered: April 03, 2002
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LOL
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what?
Registered: January 19, 2003
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My best friend Chris is gay and he want to be white even though he is black. I sweet i like to be be called white i dont take it as racism.
I take it. People call me a cracker and all this other stuff. So i let Chris be white even though he is black Smile
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Registered: May 18, 2002
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Exactly. While it's important to remember what happened in history, because it prepares us for the future, you have to remember that it IS HISTORY. It's in the past. Nobody should have to take the blame for what their ancestors were or did. Surely everyone gets a clean slate when they're born? We are a new generation and hanging on to old bitterness only prolongs hatred.

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Registered: January 14, 2002
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ok jslurply...... im going to take a shot in the dark and say u r of african american descent... now look i agree with everything these people have said but I want u to think about this: you said that "whites made racism" I want to know how an entire race can create a feeling ? people were born with feelings and a specific race cannot create one..... so get ur facts straight please... I don't want to get into pychological breakdown and stuff... I ahve a headache enough as it is Smile OK Second thing... from whawt ur saying... because my ancestors were slave owners(although i dunno how that is possible becuz my ancestors were from hungary and italy which prohibited slavery in those time)i therefore must be racist. Well in that ignorant train of thought.. what u r saying is becuz ur ancestors were slaves (im assuming) u therefore r a slave.... Is that true? Look, last time i checked... color does not affect ur thinking process at all and it takes a pretty messed up mindset to believe that ridiculous point of view. So please do not be so biggotty and say we are the ones who created racism because guess what.... all nations and all ethnicities jumped on the bandwagon.
God Bless!
Katie
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