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Buddhism and Hinduism / Eastern

The cycle of rebirth into this world is something that should be escaped from, according to Buddhist and Hindu style religions. Continual rebirth is called samsara, and escape from this should be the ultimate destiny and goal of all living beings.
Satan, then, represents our ties to this world, our ego, successes, the things we want to do in this world. Satan is the things that keep us tied to this world, not wanting to escape it. It represents the fact that we're not willing to give up worldly things for spiritual goals ('Spiritual pipe dreams'4 in the words of LaVey) attained in an afterlife.

"Life is the one great indulgence; death the one great abstinence. To a person who is satisfied with his earthly existence, life is like a party; and no one likes to leave a good party. By the same token, if a person is enjoying himself here on earth he will not so readily give up this life for the promise of an afterlife about which he knows nothing."

~Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible: Book of Lucifer 10 : para6


This wisdom applies both to Heaven and escape from reincarnation, and is the reason why suicide is never an option for Satanists - we fight to the end, we do not want to escape from reality!

• Also, BCE Pagan Mystery religions and early Gnostic Christianity held the same beliefs, and held that a uninion of the self eidolon and self Daemon resulted in escape, and although Satanists' are holistic and balanced,they deviate in that we also keep attachments to this world, not the next.

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An analysis on Satan in Buddhism and Hinduism, from the point of view of a Satanist.

Source: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/satan_world.html

And remember, this is based on the definition of Satan according to religious satanists, so it's the concept of Satan, not a physical being.

You asked what the Vedas and the Bahaghavida have anything to do with it. Hinduism was the first major religon so any early concepts of a satan-like being would have been somewhat represented in hinduism. Yea gem i have done research that's how i passed my class. ANd depressedwater(something like that) the reference to the spiritual thing is what SOME people say to prove that satanism is a religion and not a cult.

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Yea i have done worship it's called college course of world religions. Take it in the summer, you might learn something, like how to think before you tell someone to do some research!

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I've taken classes on comparitive religion, and I do independent study. But you need to do research, sweet heart.

Even if you're too lazy to go to your library and look Satanism up, Google it. You'll get more information than you can possible want, although some sites are sorely misinformed. Just go to the sites ending with .org or .edu.

I really don't feel like doing all of that work for you, but I would if I had nothing else to do.

To clear it up once and for all: I misspoke. I should not have said that SATANISM was pre-Christian. Their CONCEPT of satan is. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Okay, there are two general definitions of Satanism:

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Thus a "Satanist" is one who either:

Worships the Christian devil. Although the Christian Churches taught during the Renaissance that devil worshipers were very common, such individuals were in fact extremely rare, and remain so. The very few who do exist appear to be solitary practitioners; they do not appear to have formed an organization.

Accepts Satan as a pre-Christian life-principle concept worth emulating. These are religious Satanists, who follow a number of religious traditions, of which the largest by far is the Church of Satan.

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Almost all Satanists are in the second category; they worship a pre-christian concept of satan, not satan himself.

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It is important to realize that the Satan that they recognize has few if any points of similarity with the conservative Muslim or the Christian concept of Satan. The Satanists' concept of Satan is pre-Christian, and derived from the Pagan image of power, virility, sexuality and sensuality. To almost religious Satanists, Satan is a force of nature, not a living quasi-deity. Their Satan has nothing to do with Hell, demons, pitchforks, sadistic torture, buying people's souls, demonic possession, performing miracles, human sacrifices, cannibalism, and profoundly evil deeds.

Satanists have occasionally engaged in a Black Mass for publicity purposes, in which the Roman Catholic Mass is ridiculed. But, otherwise, their rituals have no connection to those of Christianity.

Starting in 1980, there was a growing and widespread belief that Satanists were involved in Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and killing of innocent infants, children and adults. In the late 1980s, believers in SRA expanded their accusations to include a wide variety of other small religious groups as perpetrators. Belief in SRA faded during the 1990s due to a complete lack of hard evidence. It is accepted by most investigators to be a Christian urban legend, based on fear, misinformation, and false memories created during recovered memory therapy.

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I quote from Gem's website, for convenience's sake. Follow her link to read more. She already said some of this, but you seem to have ignored it, so I've reposted it.

Now, on the the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita...I've read both, and I fail to see what relevance that has to the validity of a pre-Christian concept of Satan...perhaps you could explain that more clearly.

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SO when they say it's all about the spiritual world, that's a crock.

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they dont say that. youve taken a class on religions? then why dont you know that they dont say that. its not a spiritual religion. churchofsatan.com have you checked it out?

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Their religion is PRE-Christian.

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i dont think that is true, but you can read the history. im too lazy to reread it and find the actuall dates.

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ok.....no! It wasnt pre christian as you say. It was started in 1966 by Anton LaVey!!!

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yeah, that was the date..

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why exactly is is called satanism.

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they took the name from christianity, but it reffers to pure evil, all evil, not one specific christian entity.

OK satanism couldnt have existed before christianity, ANd if they dont worship satan.....then why exactly is is called satanism. Oh and read the vedas or the bahagavita, yea there was no concept of "satan" before protestant religions.

Forgive me, I should have been more specific. Their religious object of worship (so-called Satan) is pre-christian, and a basic form of satanism existed prior to christianity, but the official religion was not started until modern times. They do not worship the christian devil, or any entity that can be associated w/ him/it. They worship a concept, not a being. Love, Jen.

ok.....no! It wasnt pre christian as you say. It was started in 1966 by Anton LaVey!!!

Well, ACTUALLY, sweetnlowash, YOU'RE wrong. Satanists don't worship the Christian devil. Their religion is PRE-Christian. And it's certainly not about defiling Christianity. Also, about talking to a real Satanist? My aunt's one; she has been for over seventeen years. I've even been to a black mass, and guess what? No blood, no human flesh...in fact, most people there were joking about outsiders' perceptions of them. So don't tell ME to go learn about the religion. I know more about it than you most likely EVER will. Love, Jen.

Well ACTUALLY you're wrong. Yea i have done worship it's called college course of world religions. Take it in the summer, you might learn something, like how to think before you tell someone to do some research! Ok it's really simple. Satanists try to make their religion all mysterious but the truth is there is really no mystery at all. It's just the opposite of christianity. DO what christians think is wrong. They DO worship the devil of christianty. They believe the world is in a constant battle between light and dark and they are fighting on the dark side. Lots of satanists also do divinition and black magic. They're all about materialism and hedonism. SO when they say it's all about the spiritual world, that's a crock. It's about feeling good now- getting what you want to make yourself happy. Problem is they arent really that happy at all. What they're really about is worldly pleasure and sensuality. They want to get from the world all the pleasure they can, no holds barred. To be a member of the satanic church you have to agree to the following nine statements: Indulgence, vital existence, undefiled wisdom, kindness only to those that deserved it, bengeance, responsibility only to those that are responsible, the animal nature of man, all "so-called sin" is the best friend the church has ever had. Now onto black mass. It happens on the witches' Sabbath. Most satanic groups practice it. The ritual reverses the Roman Catholic Mass, trashing the objects used in Christian worship. A lot of times a naked woman is stretched out on the altar where the high priest ends the ritusal by having sex with her. Sometimes they drink blood and eat human flesh as a mock communion. Yea i know a little, try asking some satanists about the religion. You could learn a thing or two.

an echo? nah... no one hears me anyway, so you can say whatever you want, if i said it or not, i dont really care.

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yes, thank you gem for repeating everything ive said that everyone has ignored. no sarcasm involved, they seem to listen to you

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I simply copied and pasted from the site I gave a link to. But the only other person besides you that has replied after me was jendragon, and I'm sure she listened to you.

Just think of me as an echo.

yes, thank you gem for repeating everything ive said that everyone has ignored. no sarcasm involved, they seem to listen to you.

Well, Gem just told you everything I was about to, so there you go. Love, Jen.

In addition to my previous enlightening comments:

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Satanism ranks among the most despicable, unnatural, totally desecrating "religion" i have ever come across. I think the whole thing was just established to blast christianity. I mean, it's obvious. How bout we all go worship someone who hates God and defiled heaven. It's just stupid. One of the shocking satanistic rituals is to have sex on a holy altar because it corrupts it. I think the whole thing is pointless unless you want to go to hell and chill with satan. In that case godspeed! no pun intended.

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How can you even form an opinion of Satanism when you clearly have no knowledge about anything?

This religion recognizes Satan, generally as a life principle. Followers are usually serious adults, although a few are mature teenagers. Of the many main traditions which exist, the Church of Satan is by far the largest. Other Satanic groups currently exist and have existed in the recent past. Many are short-lived; their web sites often come and go within a few months. According to Statistic Canada, the 1991 census found only 335 Canadians who identified themselves as Satanists. This would imply that there are about 3,500 Satanists in the U.S. The actual number is probably significantly larger. A US Department of the Army pamphlet #165-13 estimated that there were 10 to 20 thousand members of the Church of Satan in the US during the late 1970's. 1,2 Accurate data for this movement is impossible to estimate, since the largest group (the Church of Satan) does not release its membership totals.

It is important to realize that the Satan that they recognize has few if any points of similarity with the conservative Muslim or the Christian concept of Satan. The Satanists' concept of Satan is pre-Christian, and derived from the Pagan image of power, virility, sexuality and sensuality. To almost religious Satanists, Satan is a force of nature, not a living quasi-deity. Their Satan has nothing to do with Hell, demons, pitchforks, sadistic torture, buying people's souls, demonic possession, performing miracles, human sacrifices, cannibalism, and profoundly evil deeds.

Satanists have occasionally engaged in a Black Mass for publicity purposes, in which the Roman Catholic Mass is ridiculed. But, otherwise, their rituals have no connection to those of Christianity.

Starting in 1980, there was a growing and widespread belief that Satanists were involved in Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and killing of innocent infants, children and adults. In the late 1980s, believers in SRA expanded their accusations to include a wide variety of other small religious groups as perpetrators. Belief in SRA faded during the 1990s due to a complete lack of hard evidence. It is accepted by most investigators to be a Christian urban legend, based on fear, misinformation, and false memories created during recovered memory therapy.

If you want to criticize a religion, at least support your criticisms with text that's worth reading:

Satanism

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Must have been in a PMS mood.

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Or she/he was simply angry. If you blame everything on hormonal imbalances when females are simply irritated, you won’t be living much longer.

I think that when males are upset, they're simply showing signs of future maladies, like prostate cancer, or testicular torsion, or breast cancer.

Doesn't it make perfect sense, Joey?

Would everyone quit ganging up on one person. For life's sake just breathe a little. Ok my take on satanism is that it is totally immoral and unethical. I mean i have researched every major world and occult religion. Satanism ranks among the most despicable, unnatural, totally desecrating "religion" i have ever come across. I think the whole thing was just established to blast christianity. I mean, it's obvious. How bout we all go worship someone who hates God and defiled heaven. It's just stupid. One of the shocking satanistic rituals is to have sex on a holy altar because it corrupts it. I think the whole thing is pointless unless you want to go to hell and chill with satan. In that case godspeed! no pun intended.

woah i just noticed that stfu means shut the **** up. I guess i did learn something from Joey's post.

bhlue, pipe your fat little self down.

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and Joey...just for once let people make their own religious choices.

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How am I blocking them from making their own choices? Yeah, see, shut the heck up.

You don't know what you're talking about, so if you can't read through all the posts, then stfu.

Must have been in a PMS mood.