Well personally when I went trick or treating I was truely thinking of my devotion to satan.

Sarcasm...

Its just a freakin holiday to have fun. If you aren't "celebrating" it then you aren't doing anything against your religion. Just let the little kids have fun. Geesh. Having sex outside of marriage is not Christian-like but I don't see you starting all this crap about that.......

poisoned candy?razors in apples? u kno, there have only been 2 haloween deaths from that kind of thing, an then it was their relatives who poisoned them

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and a devout follower who kills people gets into heaven

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If he is such a devout follower why his he killing people?

God is one nonexistent *****. Seriously. He's a *****. It. Her. Whatever. He's still a ******* if he makes buddha go to hell and a devout follower who kills people gets into heaven. That is not a just god. That is an uppity *****y god.

Nat: unconditional love, yes, which was expressed through the sacrifice of Jesus. If you accept Him, you're forgiven. If you don't, then God cannot let you into heaven because he can't tolerate sin. Also, hell wasn't created for humanity. So there can be a hell, and you can go to it. If you don't have to believe in Jesus, then why did he have to die? Hmm? (All of this is according to Christianity of course). Love, Jen.

The christian religion i know believes in unconditional love from god. no matter what you do he will forgive you so the comment about being from a diff religion that doesnt worship jesus is bull****.

Ok, Joey enjoys shooting from the hip a bit.

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So, a religion like say, Buddhism would be pagan, demonic, and satanic to you?

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Their are Christians, and not Christians.

To call them satanic is misleading.

Will Buddhist go to hell? Yes.. it is sad considering the compassion Buddha thought. But if you do not accept Jesus as your lord and savior, then you are going to be held accountable for every sin you commit. If you sin at all, then you can not get into the Kingdom of God, because God is to Holy and pure to allow sin into his eternal presence.

So good people go to hell?
Yes again.
This is something hard for even Christians to cope with. Why would God send good people to hell?

God is the most holy and pure being there is or can be. For God to embrace a sinner is the for us to give week old road kill a nice big bear hug. Any sin at all, is too much for God to even look at us, this includes little white lies, and the extreme murder, all are the same. However, all of Gods creations are precious to him, and for him to lose just 1 to sin, is the same for use to lose the most beloved person in our life, just times a thousand. So, God to show his love and hope for us, he sends his son, Gods own flesh and blood, the embodiment of his love, to Earth to teach, lead, and forgive. Jesus did all of these, and when Jesus died, he did so in our place.

So why didn’t Jesus save EVERYONE?
Well anyone can easily take Jesus’ sacrifice use it to their own advantage, and just do as they please, now they get 2 heavens.

So that brings in the catch.
You have to Believe Jesus did die for you, and the ultimate catch, you can try your best to live the same live Jesus did.

Jesus preached Peace, Unity, Charity, Forgiveness and above all, Love.
However this is a very general. Jesus went to extremes when he taught, example, anyone can live and not kill, but Jesus said just speaking badly about someone is killing, and not doing that can be very hard for most people. Same for adultery, many people can not cheat, but for most [if not all men] can not even look lustfully on other women, which Jesus taught was just as bad.

If anyone needs more info just ask.

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Its not about thinking everyone is wrong because they don't see things the way we do, but the way God does.

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But what if they think God sees things a different way than you think he does? Then it's about your perception of God and theirs. And that means that it all boils down to a difference between the way you see something (God) and the way they see it. And you think they're wrong. Therefore, it is about thinking everyone is wrong because they don't see things the way you do. That's EXACTLY what it's about. Love, Jen.

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I'm glad i'm not Christian. What a horrible life you must live if you think everyone is wrong if they don't see things the same way you do.

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Its not about thinking everyone is wrong because they don't see things the way we do, but the way God does.

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Anything that is contradictory to the Word of God is pagan, demonic, a tool of the devil, and not of God.

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So, a religion like say, Buddhism would be pagan, demonic, and satanic to you?

As a Reconstructionalist, i do know my religions. However, you try to remember all the hundreds of religions out there..


Depressedwavemaster's right, i messed up some of my history. "Wicca" was created by John Gardener ((i hope that's how his last name is spelt)). Generally, i speak on Wicca in present terms, as in "Wicca is a present day religion (it IS a recognized religion, and they have as much right to celebrate as anyone else does. Atleast they're not wrapping autistic children up in sheets to "drive out demons").
A more appropriate term for the sentences where i said Wiccans and Druids would have been Pagans, but i really don't like the way that words accepted.

I've already visited the whywitchessuck.com it was one of the first sites i visited when i wanted to find out more about Wicca.
I never said Warlocks didn't exist. i said Wizards don't exist, unless you're doing some sort of Amtgard roleplay, i guess.

A much better site to visit, if you're interested in religions is http://www.religioustolerance.org This is my all-time favorite religious site. It offers many views on religions, and a great deal of religions to learn about.

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The Bible contains many religiously intolerant passages that condemn all religions other than Christianity. This, of course, includes Wicca:

Many passages in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) condemn:
All faith groups that are different from Judaism. In particular, the Scriptures frequently attack the religious practices of Pagan tribes which surrounded the ancient Israelites.
Various Pagan beliefs and practices that the Israelites picked up from their neighbors.
Certain forms of foretelling the future or communicating with the dead.
Evil sorcery (i.e. issuing verbal curses to harm others).

The Christian Scriptures (New Testament) contains passages which condemn:
The Jewish religion as practiced both by the Pharisees and Sadducees prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
Rabbinic Judaism as was widely practiced throughout the Roman Empire after the destruction of Jerusalem
All religions other that Christianity. Followers of other religions were described as praying to Satan or his demons during their religious services.


Thus, it can be concluded that the Bible condemns all religions other than Christianity. This includes Wicca as well as Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism and a few hundred other religions, from Asatru to Zoroastrianism.

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Joey, you know something? I'm glad i'm not Christian. What a horrible life you must live if you think everyone is wrong if they don't see things the same way you do.

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haloween isnt satanic, its pagan.

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Satanic-Pagan, same freakin' thing in my Book.

Anything that is contradictory to the Word of God is pagan, demonic, a tool of the devil, and not of God.

That's just how Christians - true Christians - believe, sorry to burst your bubbles.

Thank you for this firm bit of comedy Joey I needed a laugh today. Is this the same Pastor Treis who claimed there was explosives in the WTC and made the whole aids conspiracy theory?

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Beginning in late September, millions of Christians will unknowingly encourage their children to pay respect to Satan and his evil gang on this high satanic Sabbath.

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haloween isnt satanic, its pagan. satanics celebrate their holidays differently.

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The Druids were actually an order of priests from ancient Gall & Britain . Halloween was originally called Samhain (pronounced Sa-ween) the feast of the dead, held on November 1st. Witches were said to fly over the fields to “teach” crops how to grow. It was a fertility myth.

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at least this person you quoted has something right.

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They believed it to be a dreaded occasion in which time stood still and the souls of the dead walked the earth. They would leave gifts especially food, outside for these roaming ghosts, with hope no harm would come to their families.

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because the veil between the worlds is thinnest during this time of the year and in half a year.

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November 1st, which coincided with the pagan festival Samhain.

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not that you care, but the celebration lasted almost a week, from the first to the sixth.

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That night Satan or his demons would like through fear, someone that had not satisfied the demands.

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satan is a christian invention. sure, pagans had evil dieties, but they werent satan.

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apples with razor blades

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WTF?!

feather

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Wiccans, Druids, and other followers of such faiths are not Satanists. To be a Satanist, you have to believe in "Satan". There isn't such a being, by any name, in that branch of faith.

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hmm, you know your religions...

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Christians are Satanist because they believe in Satan,

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huh? no theyre not. a satanist is someone who worships satan, and "satan" in satanist terms isnt even the christian [or pagan] devil. its the ultimate evil.

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Wiccans and Druids don't have scenes in their written history about bargaining their daughters off, or raping their daughters under "illusions", unlike Christians.

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maybe you dont know youre religions. are you saying that wiccans have a history? not even 100 years of one.

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Wiccans didn't raid towns, killing men, women and children because they were Jews, unlike Christians.

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are you familiar with the name "gardener"? he invented "wicca"

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and to be called a "warlock" is an insult. Warlock means "truth bender".

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ha! i knew it! *a cry rings out* fluffy bunny! fluffy bunny! [check out why wiccans suck.whywiccanssuck.com] a warlock exists, satanists use the term. also, church of satan.

if these links dont work, feel free to yell at me.

There is always some crazy christian telling us that halloween is bad. I didnt even know taht the church acknowledged satan anymore because it gives him more power.

I have no idea where you got those quotes, but whomever said it needs to take a day out of their life and sit down with a real Wiccan.

Wiccans, Druids, and other followers of such faiths are not Satanists. To be a Satanist, you have to believe in "Satan". There isn't such a being, by any name, in that branch of faith.

Christians are Satanist because they believe in Satan, but just because their Satanists doesn't mean that they're cruel or dangerous.


Second, to pull horrible phrases such as "burning children on bonfires" was a low blow. Christians sacrificed animals. Romans (Catholics) sacrificed humans and animals, Vikings sacrificed humans as a ritual, and the sacrifices volunteered willingly. Wiccans and Druids don't have scenes in their written history about bargaining their daughters off, or raping their daughters under "illusions", unlike Christians. Wiccans didn't raid towns, killing men, women and children because they were Jews, unlike Christians.

Thirdly (i'm reading some of the quotes from bottom up), Wiccans and Witches are not "Warlocks" or "Wizards". Wizards aren't real, and to be called a "warlock" is an insult. Warlock means "truth bender".

Fourthly, this whole "drugged candy, poisoned candy, apples with razor blades" bit? A fair portion of those "evil" people were probably christian influenced at one point or another.

Fifthly, Witches are real, but their not abominations. If this Pastor actually knew his religion, he would realize that the Bible is poorly translated, oftenly misquoted (especially by those who are trying to prove a point using a quote from the bible), and most of the major points, such as "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", were changed by the Pope and/or King to fit the current situation that they wanted changed. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" was "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live".

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Without forcing the pagans to stop these practices but accept Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church merely made allowances to accommodate the barbarian, and called it “ acculturation”. They “sanctified” pagan rituals by absorbing and camouflaging them. In the 7th century the Pantheon at Rome was taken by the barbarians, and made it into a “cathedral” (Greek, kathedra, meaning seat or throne). “Pan Theon” means all gods. They renamed it the Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary and ALL MAYTERS. Thus it was changed form worshipping all gods to “all saints”.

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That's barely acceptable. Pagans were happy with their religion until Catholics showed up and threatened to kill and/or convert. They only way the Pagans would agree was to incorprate some of the holidays into their own system. Thus "Easter" and "Christmas".


If anyone actually believes in anything that the Pastor has said or anything that i've said, i encourage you to look up the information. Look on both sides of the problem.
JoeyDauben's Pastor Treis has severly skewed the the history of the church, hoping that, by saying a true fact, "Wodensday" for example, that people will believe that "If part is true, it's all true." That's not how it works.

JoeyDauben has misled everyone with the title. Witches and Wiccans and Druids and Pagans are not "Satanists".
Next time, do a little research, Joey. Not everything you read is true.

Need a place to start? http://www.witchvox.com lots of links and people to help you along your way, and some don't even hate people like your vernable Pastor for trying to get people to hate them and destroying their history.

Heh. Makes me like Halloween even more; no longer is it merely an excuse to get a sugar buzz, I am also apparently paying homage to Satan... neato.