You stated that a home needs both a mother and a father as a reason that homosexual marriage should not be allowed. However, you don't want to outlaw divorce. My aunt is a single mother without a man in the house, which is basically what a lesbian couple would be except there would be two of them. Yet, you don't want to outlaw single mothers/fathers and/or divorce? How does that logic line up?
Hold on sec. Can you dumb this down for me?
I don't know but I'll try.
You stated that a household needs both a mother and a father as an argument against gay marriage.
Some parents had their children out of wedlock and are single parents. Some parents divorce and only one parent gets custody of the child.
In both of these types of households (both of which are abundant in America), there is not both a mother and a father. In other words, these are similar to a gay marriage, in that there would only be two mothers or two fathers.
So why do you not care about outlawing divorce or being a single parent when one reason you want to outlaw homosexuality is that there won't be both a mother and a father present?
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actually it resulted in fewer marriages (both hetero and homo)
It would still be more marriages. There would be all the heterosexual marriages now plus the homosexual marriage. Even if some got divorced, some would stay married.
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you could tie heterosexuality to pedophjilia. you could tie anything to pedophilia.
pedophiles can be any orientation and more often they are straight men.
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Originally posted by CelticNewAger: And yes and no, red, I'm leaving, am leaving, but I got sucked in and need to leave it slowly. I swear it's as bad as trying to quit heroin (not that I've been there).
I'm only saying that I've seen what has happened in other countries when gay civil unions and marriages were instituted.
Please, enlighten me, what has happened? Spain is doing fine. Massachusetts is doing fine. The Netherlands are doing fine. Canada is doing fine. So what is going terrebly wrong in your eyes?
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You are bullying people into believe what you believe. You try to intimidate people by attacking their own beliefs.
It's all part of debating on YN. No one is personally attacking you, attacking your ideas is completely different. If you don't want people to pull apart your opinions, you shouldn't post them.
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You guys seem so loving to homoseuals and yet Christians are just asss holes.
I see noone attacking you for being christian. THey are debating your ideas. And not only republicans are christian. Worth is cristian, I am christian and so are many others who support gay rights.
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There has been no scientific, population based urvey that has shown that 10% of the population is GLBT.
Kinsey's study, for one. And the cencus shows about 5% of the population is out homosexuals. The number is estemated at 10% to account for closeted individuals and those who have not yet realized that they are gay, because many people, especially lesbians, get married and don't realize they are a lesbian until they are in their 30's or 40's.
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the point is the a vewry small percent of the popullation commits 1/3 of all child molestation cases. how many times must i say this?
and how many times must we refute that? It is 1/3 of child molestation is done by a member of the same sex. The 2 are not the same.
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I'm sure calling someone a pedophile is a compliment.
do you honestly think I would go up to homosexual and say, "Your gay so that automatically makes you a child abuser."
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I'm going to use this type of argument. Let's say 75% of the US population is Christian. 3/4 of Christians are idiots. Does this justify calling my saying ALL christians are idiots right? NO.
IN YOUR OPINION 75% of 75% of Christians are bad.
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Also, you apparently know nothing about pedophilia if you tie it in with homosexuality. They're worlds apart.
you could tie heterosexuality to pedophjilia. you could tie anything to pedophilia.
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Actually you did. Not against me because I've avoided the BS posted here by some, but tie pedophilia in with homosexuality once more and I'll spit out all my knowledge on the matter (pedophilia).
I cant tie the two but I cant sy tehy are the same. I know gays and I know they would never rape a child.
Originally posted by EarthGoddess: Red, you seem like a fairly open-minded person, so I strongly suggest that you read Rainbow Boys by Alex Sanchez. It's a book about the lives of three gay boys in highschool written by a gay author who knows what he's talking about. It's a very honest book and I think you will enjoy it, if you are comfortable with your sexuality that is.
You stated that a home needs both a mother and a father as a reason that homosexual marriage should not be allowed. However, you don't want to outlaw divorce. My aunt is a single mother without a man in the house, which is basically what a lesbian couple would be except there would be two of them. Yet, you don't want to outlaw single mothers/fathers and/or divorce? How does that logic line up?
That's like me saying, black men, who also make up a small percentage of the population, are involved in most of the violent crimes in America, therefore they're all violent and should be kept away from children.
This doesnt just go to EarthGoddess it goes to everyone. I did not say nor will i ever say that all pedophiles or homosexuals nor are all gays pedophiles.
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We keep bringing up heterosexuality because you keep trying to make it seem like with homosexuality comes these horrible traits.
Both have horrible things about them. Hetero men outnmber homosxual men 20 to 1 and yet they still commit 1/3 of all child abuse cases. (I'm sorry if i sound like a broken record, but i feel the need to keep bringing that up. Wouldnt hta mean that a greater percentage of gay men would be more abusive to children than stragiht men?
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What happened? They got divorced? Big F-ing deal. People make bad choices and sh!t usually happens. Because... We... Are... HUMAN.
actually it resulted in fewer marriages (both hetero and homo)
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You think calling homosexuality a poison to society doesn't cause personal harm?
alright alright. It was a harsh statement. Maybe a bit too blunt.
And yes and no, red, I'm leaving, am leaving, but I got sucked in and need to leave it slowly. I swear it's as bad as trying to quit heroin (not that I've been there).
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
ou people are just so hell bent on finding a way to cut me down when I have not made any personal cuts at any homsexuals.
I'm sure calling someone a pedophile is a compliment.
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point is the a vewry small percent of the popullation commits 1/3 of all child molestation cases. how many times must i say this?
I'm going to use this type of argument. Let's say 75% of the US population is Christian. 3/4 of Christians are idiots. Does this justify calling my saying ALL christians are idiots right? NO.
Also, you apparently know nothing about pedophilia if you tie it in with homosexuality. They're worlds apart.
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AndIsaid i never said that they were. Obviously, the reason she said that was because she inferred that i had stated something similar to all gay are mass murderers.
Actually, I said that because of the people who state gay people are "a poison to society" or something of the like. Killers are the only poison to society (that are illegal) except idiots, so that's how I meant it.
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when i say here, i mean this board. I dont mean the whole site.
Actually you did. Not against me because I've avoided the BS posted here by some, but tie pedophilia in with homosexuality once more and I'll spit out all my knowledge on the matter (pedophilia).
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
Ive told you all so many times that i know that heteros have problems. but we arent talking about heteros. we are talking about homosexuals. No, I dont want to outlaw divorce.
But you get to compare homosexuals and heterosexuals and their stats to prove your point? How is that fair?
Heterosexuals have a longer written down history of prolems than homosexuals because their relationships have been out in the open much longer. Therefore, it's not fair for either one of us to compare track records between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
You stated that a home needs both a mother and a father as a reason that homosexual marriage should not be allowed. However, you don't want to outlaw divorce. My aunt is a single mother without a man in the house, which is basically what a lesbian couple would be except there would be two of them. Yet, you don't want to outlaw single mothers/fathers and/or divorce? How does that logic line up?
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Red, you seem like a fairly open-minded person, so I strongly suggest that you read Rainbow Boys by Alex Sanchez. It's a book about the lives of three gay boys in highschool written by a gay author who knows what he's talking about. It's a very honest book and I think you will enjoy it, if you are comfortable with your sexuality that is.
I thought so. If there are only a thousand male child molesters convicted every year in America than 333 of them, as you assume, are gay, and that number compared to 10 million, 12 million, 20 million, 30 million, WHATEVER, is insignificant! If you do not know how many people are convicted of child molestation every year, then don't even bring it up. That's like me saying, black men, who also make up a small percentage of the population, are involved in most of the violent crimes in America, therefore they're all violent and should be kept away from children.
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Ive told you all so many times that i know that heteros have problems. but we arent talking about heteros. we are talking about homosexuals.
We keep bringing up heterosexuality because you keep trying to make it seem like with homosexuality comes these horrible traits. Some heterosexual people are just as bad as SOME gays, and in some cases even more so. I have two parents, a mom and a dad, and my entire life with them has been a nightmare, does that mean all straight parents are like that? No. I know that there are kids out there that have been abused by gay parents, does that mean all gay couples are like that? NO! Why? Because not everybody is violent. But it is a common fact that straight men are far more violent than anyone else. It's a fact that straight men are far more likely to target, attack, beat, and possibly kill gay men. It's a fact that most murders are committed by straight men. And it's a fact that straight men often sexually assault or physically abuse women and children, especially their own children.
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I'm only saying that I've seen what has happened in other countries when gay civil unions and marriages were instituted.
What happened? They got divorced? Big F-ing deal. People make bad choices and sh!t usually happens. Because... We... Are... HUMAN.
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I dont hate gays. I dont hate anyone.
I do not doubt that, at all. It's just that I can't let you point the finger at gay people, when it comes to society's problems.
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Anyway, I just want to say that I mean no personal harm.
You think calling homosexuality a poison to society doesn't cause personal harm? How do you think a 12 year old kid, who is confused by his homosexual feelings, feels when someone tells him that he is contributing to the poisoning of our society? Think he'll be motivated to change? Or do you think he'll end up being one of the many gay teenagers that become severely depressed and/or kill themselves each year? A third of all teen suicides are committed by GLBT teens and suicide is one of the leading causes of death for teenagers and young adults.
That -was- other countries though. We don't know what will happen if we legalize gay marriage in the U.S. because we haven't tried it. Whatever has happened in other countries might not happen here, and besides, why shouldn't gays and lesbians have equal rights? If they marry is the entire economic system and the goverment just going to collapse? Maybe the United States will just implode. Just because a person loves the person of the same gender, why shouldn't they be able to marry? I mean, honestly, there is no good reason for outlawing it like it's some sort of crime. Homosexuals wouldn't ruin the sanctity of marriage; many people have already done that for themselves. 24 hour marriages in Vegas are exactly what "God" had in mind. (No offense intended by the quotes; I'm a pagan/goddess-worshipper so I don't believe in the Christian god.) I thought religion and government were supposed to be seperate things. *shakes head* And Red, this isn't aimed at you specifically. Just a touchy subject. Sorry if I offended any people.
I'm only saying that I've seen what has happened in other countries when gay civil unions and marriages were instituted.
The reason I sound like a broken record is because I keep having to back track to get my point across. i.e. it's not getting through. I must have said this ten times but I'll say it again, I have never used the Bible to condemn homosexuality.
I dont hate gays. I dont hate anyone. Ive said that a million times before as well but people conintually accuse me of being a hater, so I must continually repeat what I've said a million times. Anyway, I just want to say that I mean no personal harm.
Now i dont know what to do. Lets just talk about somthing completely off subject.
I'm not attacking you and I'm sorry if it seems that way. It's just the fact that, you may not intend to cut a homosexual down but you do...when you say that it is wrong, that's saying that the very thing that's different about us and the one thing that's a pretty important aspect of our being is something we should be ashamed of. You might say that but that is how it's taken by most homosexuals. Like I said, you may not have meant to cut homosexuals down but you did.
I respect your opinion and no I'm not attacking you. I'm just telling you my opinion. I do believe in equal rights for all American citizens, and I'm not saying all Christians are bad. My mother is Christian. My mentor is Christian. Many people I know are Christian. I think it's great if being Christian makes you a better person but when the Bible is used to condemn someone for something they really can't control, then there's something wrong with that, in my opinion. Believe what you want, but the people who don't agree with how you see things are going to stand just as firm as you do.
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