It is not true that homosexuals account for 1/3 of child abuse cases. Rather, 1/3 of child abuse cases involve an adult abusing a child of the same sex, not necessarily in a sexual manner.

97% of sexual abuse cases are committed by heterosexual men.

haha. awesome rant celtic

I honestly don't know why you guys argue with the morons, but I applaud you for your efforts anyway.

Everything you guys have said is so true. It's hard to believe that anyone can't see what you're saying. But obviously there are some...

That's sad that you're leaving Celtic. You were one of the few voices of reasons... you're going to leave EarthGoddess on her own now?

*also saunters off*

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the difference is, there are less than 1% of homosexuals in America. Plus the media doesnt like to play out homosexual abuse cases.

Are my eyes decieving me? Did you say that 1% of Americans are gay? I think you meant 10%.

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the point is 1/3 of all cases are still committed by gays.

And 2/3 are commited by heterosexuals. The point I'm getting at is that if the number of convicted child molesters is small to begin with compared to the american population and you divide it by 3 to get a smaller number, that number compared to the total gay population would be very minute.

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and inever made the claim that they all wanted to rape children.

Really? I couldn't tell.

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according to what?

The CDC.

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During 2000–2003, HIV/AIDS rates for African American females were 19 times the rates for white females and 5 times the rates for Hispanic females; they also exceeded the rates for males of all races/ethnicities other than African Americans. Rates for African American males were 7 times those for white males and 3 times those for Hispanic males

I was actually off with the ages. It's between 25 and 34. And AIDS is one of the leading causes of early death for black women between those ages. http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/001212.html

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sure its bad. but does that mean we make it worse? i dont think so.

How much worse can it get? Are people going to hire hitmen to kill their spouses? Are people going to start hitting their kids with shovels?

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it is because of all the influences that affect you.

Read this and read this carefully: Unconscious Choice. Unconscious Choice. Unconscious Choice. Unconscious means you're not thinking, or that you're completely and totally unaware. A choice is a decision that you make consiously, with your consent, with complete awareness. I think you meant to say that homosexuality is caused by the environment they're exposed to.

I think we completely misunderstand each other. I know that you don't honestly think that all gay people are this or that. And I will not deny the fact that there are indeed gay people that are abusive, promiscuous, or are pedophiles. But the thing is that heterosexual people aren't perfect either. That is because we're all human. And humans have a tendency to do strange, violent, cruel and frightening things regardless of who they are. Gays are not above human nature and neither are heteros. Can we at least agree on that?

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Originally posted by redrepublican:
how can someone be "economically better than someone else?

They mean that gays often are better off financially. And it is true.

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why do you make generalizations then on the basis of thirteen cases?

How is it generalising. They said they hated 'ignorant christians'. And it is fair. Some christians (So called) think they are the best and everybody else is going to hell. They act like they are better than everybody else too. I dislike those types of people too.

Oh admit it red, you'd love it if she was because that's one more person you don't have to bow to every time you lose an argument.

celtic, are you leaving?

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Lots of psycho christian-conservative people who are afraid of the scary homosexuals coming through their windows at night and raping their babies.

just of my enjoyment, can you provide a link somthing? ive heard some of these before and they always make me laugh.

sure there exceptions to any scenario.

there was a boy once who used to drag his drunk father into his house on cold january nights because his dad was too wasted. do you kno who that boy was? Ronald Reagen.

Fact is, nearly all good families need both a father and mother.

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I can go to Google and find thousand upon thousands of testimonies from people who grew up in a heterosexual two-parent home where they were abused, mistreated and beaten. I can testify for you right now, if you want me to. Common sense tells me that the number of kids being abused in heterosexual parent families are much higher. Besides, not all homosexual people are violent, just as not all heterosexual people are violent. [/uote]

the difference is, there are less than 1% of homosexuals in America. Plus the media doesnt like to play out homosexual abuse cases.

[quote]Does that mean all gay men are pedophiles? Give us the number of people involved in child molestation cases and divide it by 3 for us. Let's see how it compares to the 30-40 million gays that live in America. Hey let's look at what a real live gay person had to say about that!

30-40 million? lol. the point is 1/3 of all cases are still committed by gays.

that conversation proves nothing. one guy. and inever made the claim that they all wanted to rape children.

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Must I point out evidence in AMERICA that proves how damaging heterosexual marriage is?[/quote[

sure its bad. but does that mean we make it worse? i dont think so.

[quote]We don't care about the Netherlands, dimwit. I'm curious though, why aren't you picking on other countries like Canada or Belgium? Is it because nothing is happening?[quote]

I was surprised name-calling was held off till here but not surprised that it happened. ad no its because havent heard of any studies yet.

[quote]Did you know that straight African American women between the ages of 15 and 24 have the highest rate of HIV infection in the USA? I'm a straight black female between the ages of 15 and 24. OH NO, I HAVE AIDS!

according to what?

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That's a glaringly obvious oxymoron. If it's unconscious, how is it a choice?

it is because of all the influences that affect you.

red-
I grew up without a father and it was an infinitely better environment than if I had my father in my life. Even if I did have two parents, I wouldn't be any better or worse off.

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Oh, yeah, like straight people walk around with their knees sewn together, without a need of Zoloft, no meth, and they never abuse children.

why are you talking about straight people? did i miss somthing? we are talking about homosexuality. stay on track.

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Exactly. Gay pedophiles. Just like there are straight pedophiles, straight sadists, etc. I mean people think gay = pedophile.

but gays still make up 1/3 of all child abuse cases. thats saying alot when they make a small percentage of the population.

[/quote]I hate to interrupt your illogically inaccurate rant with facts. But if I must, then I must.

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So I'm an immediate waste because my father was too busy working throughout my life, yeah...

BUT you still had a dad. Its not an easy environment for kids to grow up in wihtout a father.

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How about some common sense, red, do you HONESTLY believe a homosexual couple who WANTS to raise children will spend his/her time partying? And don't talk like straight people are Saints.

Kneret Hope, 25:

"I experience lesbian separtism as a constant level of anger and negativity...Men were called mutants, straight women were considered disowned sisters who wasted woman energy on men, and other lesians were soemtimes accused of being government spies."

I dont want to type all these testimonies by hand but there are plenty more.

why do you keep changing the subject? instead of addressing my arguments directly you keep bring up heteros. Keep your points relevants and to the subject. I will admit their are MANY problems with heteros.

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But being gay and being a pedophile are ENTIRELY different things. A pedophile may like children of the same sex but not be gay, and a straight person might be a pedophile, etc. It's the same thing as being a straight sadist, a gay person with alphamegamia, etc.

1/3 of all child abuse...

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What? The religious rate fell? The people coming out of the closet increased? Are Sweden and Normay in ruins (which is a no)?

funny. In sweden, divorce rates are higher in lesbians than in gay men, which are both higher than than the hetero divorce rates.
in norway, since unions were instated there, there has been an overall trend away from marriage even in heteros.
now unless marriage is now just a right wing Christian conservatie virtue that belongs in "that fairy tale book", the Bible, my claims are credible and are worth considering.

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Gay people are economically much better than straight people, usually in jobs of a decent position, with little family to support and drag around. Economically, they do nothing wrong. Morally, that's your call, but I don't give a damn about morals because morals change.

how can someone be "economically better than someone else?

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So, red, you'd rather more marriage and more divorce? People nowadays EVERYWHERE get married at least at a much later age. It's not wrong, it's wise. You are more mature and know that marriage should be renamed Shared Payments and Children.

yes. i thought everyone wanted more marriage and less divorce.
i dont understnad the relevance of this quote.

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Point is: It can happen to anyone.

but who is it higher among?

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Yes, I have, about 13 times. Thank you. Catholic, Protestant, and Baptist.

disregard their comments. true Christians wouldnt make such remarks. in any case we are all human. may be they misspoke.

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That's the thing, they're not only arrogant, but hypocrites, because they fail to see that their own Bible says that one should love thy brother and not judge.

well i guess even the most overused basic arguments can be useful at times. WE HATE THE SIN, NOT THE PERSON.

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I don't hate Christians, red, I hate ignorant bigoted Christians. I hate ANYONE like that. I'm prejudice against idiots, I admit it.

why do you make generalizations then on the basis of thirteen cases?

Nice.

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I hate to interrupt your illogically inaccurate rant with facts. But if I must, then I must.

Hah. You're funny.

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whoa. who has ever said that gay people are mass murderers?

Lots of psycho christian-conservative people who are afraid of the scary homosexuals coming through their windows at night and raping their babies.

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Its not the idea of homosexuality that is bad for the kids. It is growing up in a permanently motherless or fatherless home.

I read a story once by a guy who was raised by a single mother who had a total of eight children and he and all of his siblings went through college and became successful. You're making it seem like single parent families are horrible. They're not. My 16 year old cousin is being raised only by his dad and he has extremely good grades and he doesn't do drugs or drink or anything like that. Stories like that are not rare at all. I grew up in a two parent home, and I'm psychologically damaged. Go figure. It doesn't matter how many parents there are or what gender they may be, what matters is whether the parent or parents are good at parenting.

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I also have testimonies of children growing up in same sex households. how they were ABUSED, MISTREATED AND BEATEN.

I can go to Google and find thousand upon thousands of testimonies from people who grew up in a heterosexual two-parent home where they were abused, mistreated and beaten. I can testify for you right now, if you want me to. Common sense tells me that the number of kids being abused in heterosexual parent families are much higher. Besides, not all homosexual people are violent, just as not all heterosexual people are violent.

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I beg to differ. Though hetero men outnumber homosexual men by at least 20 to 1, gay pedophiles commite about one third of the overall number of child molestation cases.

Does that mean all gay men are pedophiles? Give us the number of people involved in child molestation cases and divide it by 3 for us. Let's see how it compares to the 30-40 million gays that live in America. Hey let's look at what a real live gay person had to say about that!

(I am Manic, the gay person is my friend Dan)

Danny says:
hey
Manic says:
hey
Danny says:
whats up
Manic says:
arguing with conservatives again
Danny says:
i see
Manic says:
i have some questions that I need to ask to prove a point
Danny says:
ok
Manic says:
do you rape children?
Danny says:
of course not that is sick
Manic says:
ok
Manic says:
would you ever consider it?
Danny says:
nope
Manic says:
you sure?
Danny says:
im positive
Manic says:
ok
Manic says:
do you have any gay friends that are pedophiles?
Danny says:
nope

A homosexual with no desire whatsoever to have sex with childern. SHOCKING.

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Must I point out evidences in Sweden and Norway that prove you wrong?

Must I point out evidence in AMERICA that proves how damaging heterosexual marriage is?

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sorry to but in with facts again but the Nordic Pattern and Swedish marriage decline have some prblems with your statements.

We don't care about the Netherlands, dimwit. I'm curious though, why aren't you picking on other countries like Canada or Belgium? Is it because nothing is happening?

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Tell me. What is the ratio of heteros with AIDS to homosexuals with AIDS?

Did you know that straight African American women between the ages of 15 and 24 have the highest rate of HIV infection in the USA? I'm a straight black female between the ages of 15 and 24. OH NO, I HAVE AIDS!

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Hoosexuality, I believe, is an unconcious choice.

That's a glaringly obvious oxymoron. If it's unconscious, how is it a choice?

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hate to interrupt your illogically inaccurate rant with facts. But if I must, then I must.

Religion is illogical but you follow it. You musn't talk then.

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The problem is, with rising rates of sexual promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, mental illness, substance abuse, and domsetic violence among gays are all red flags.

I also have testimonies of children growing up in same sex households. how they were ABUSED, MISTREATED AND BEATEN.

Oh, yeah, like straight people walk around with their knees sewn together, without a need of Zoloft, no meth, and they never abuse children.

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beg to differ. Though hetero men outnumber homosexual men by at least 20 to 1, gay pedophiles commite about one third of the overall number of child molestation cases. (Journal of Sex Research)

Exactly. Gay pedophiles. Just like there are straight pedophiles, straight sadists, etc. I mean people think gay = pedophile.

[/quote]I hate to interrupt your illogically inaccurate rant with facts. But if I must, then I must.

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Its not the idea of homosexuality that is bad for the kids. It is growing up in a permanently motherless or fatherless home.

Dr. Kyle Pruett of Yale Medical School demonstrates in his book, Fatherneed, the vitality of having a father to contribute to parenting in ways that mothers could not.

Dr. Brenda Hunter has documented the crucial need for a mother in parenting because of the unique touch she adds to a child's life in her book The Power of Mother Love.

Some homosecuals claim that letting children live with them is a better alternative than, say an orphanage or foster parenting.
The problem is, with rising rates of sexual promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, mental illness, substance abuse, and domsetic violence among gays are all red flags.

I also have testimonies of children growing up in same sex households. how they were ABUSED, MISTREATED AND BEATEN.

So I'm an immediate waste because my father was too busy working throughout my life, yeah...

How about some common sense, red, do you HONESTLY believe a homosexual couple who WANTS to raise children will spend his/her time partying? And don't talk like straight people are Saints.

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- Gay people don't like (sexually) children. There's a term for people who like children: pedophiles. And even that may be ruled out as normal by the American Psychiatric Association.

But being gay and being a pedophile are ENTIRELY different things. A pedophile may like children of the same sex but not be gay, and a straight person might be a pedophile, etc. It's the same thing as being a straight sadist, a gay person with alphamegamia, etc.

[qupte]proof.[/quote]

Biblical Lies thread.

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Must I point out evidences in Sweden and Norway that prove you wrong?

What? The religious rate fell? The people coming out of the closet increased? Are Sweden and Normay in ruins (which is a no)?

Gay people are economically much better than straight people, usually in jobs of a decent position, with little family to support and drag around. Economically, they do nothing wrong. Morally, that's your call, but I don't give a damn about morals because morals change.

So, red, you'd rather more marriage and more divorce? People nowadays EVERYWHERE get married at least at a much later age. It's not wrong, it's wise. You are more mature and know that marriage should be renamed Shared Payments and Children.

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I'm confused. Did you just comapre me to a barbarian?

No, geez, no, I'm saying that things that "break morals" have always occured and people always saw it the same way, and nothing bad happened.

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Tell me. What is the ratio of heteros with AIDS to homosexuals with AIDS?

Point is: It can happen to anyone.

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can you honestly say that you met someone who said that? Everyone on this site makes that very claim. Christians are arrogant. They are holier-than-thou. They are over the top. THey are fundamentalist. Where is the freaking proof? According to your bigoted description of Christians, I'd be giving you verses and tipping my nose at you because you werent Christian. Now tell me have I done that

Yes, I have, about 13 times. Thank you. Catholic, Protestant, and Baptist.

That's the thing, they're not only arrogant, but hypocrites, because they fail to see that their own Bible says that one should love thy brother and not judge.

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oh thats right. I forgot. You can add "Homophobic Christian" to the "I hate Christians" name list.

I don't hate Christians, red, I hate ignorant bigoted Christians. I hate ANYONE like that. I'm prejudice against idiots, I admit it.


Nicky, I haven't been to India, but from what I've read, it seems to be like a country that is very religious and basically puts more importance to morals, so maybe if there are gay people there, they're afraid to come out, just like they would have been in the US in the 1950's.

I hate to interrupt your illogically inaccurate rant with facts. But if I must, then I must.

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- Gay people aren't mass murderers. You can point out the example of Ted Bundy being a gay serial killer, but there's a word for it: sadist. And sociopath.

whoa. who has ever said that gay people are mass murderers?

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- Plastic surgery shows give more damage to children's minds than homosexuality. Gay people aren't shoving their sexuality on everyone.

Its not the idea of homosexuality that is bad for the kids. It is growing up in a permanently motherless or fatherless home.

Dr. Kyle Pruett of Yale Medical School demonstrates in his book, Fatherneed, the vitality of having a father to contribute to parenting in ways that mothers could not.

Dr. Brenda Hunter has documented the crucial need for a mother in parenting because of the unique touch she adds to a child's life in her book The Power of Mother Love.

Some homosecuals claim that letting children live with them is a better alternative than, say an orphanage or foster parenting.
The problem is, with rising rates of sexual promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, mental illness, substance abuse, and domsetic violence among gays are all red flags.

I also have testimonies of children growing up in same sex households. how they were ABUSED, MISTREATED AND BEATEN.

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- Gay people don't like (sexually) children. There's a term for people who like children: pedophiles. And even that may be ruled out as normal by the American Psychiatric Association.

I beg to differ. Though hetero men outnumber homosexual men by at least 20 to 1, gay pedophiles commite about one third of the overall number of child molestation cases. (Journal of Sex Research)

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- If you're going to justify the thinking "homosexuality is evil" because of the Bible, and then claim that you must believe in EVERYTHING in the Bible to be a "true Christian", be ready to justify rape and incest.

proof.

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- There is no damage to society in gay marriage.

Must I point out evidences in Sweden and Norway that prove you wrong?

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- The excuse that morals will magically die if homosexuality is allowed is bull.

sorry to but in with facts again but the Nordic Pattern and Swedish marriage decline have some prblems with your statements.

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That's what people in the Middle Ages thought if witches weren't burned, just about a century ago with the whole interracial marriage deal, and with women working. I am still waiting for Hell to crack open the earth and Satan to make all the volcanoes explode while pouring acid rain upons us.

I'm confused. Did you just comapre me to a barbarian?

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- Straight people can have AIDS too. The HIV virus doesn't go "Well, damn, he's never been with a guy! Let's not give him AIDS!", NO. It doesn't discriminate against anyone.

Tell me. What is the ratio of heteros with AIDS to homosexuals with AIDS?

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- Only a true masochist will choose to be a homosexual in a narrow-minded returning-to-medieval-thinking society.

Hoosexuality, I believe, is an unconcious choice. You dont wake up one day and say, "Hey I'm gay." While it may lead to that, it won't be some random, radical change.

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- There are gay Christians, and all the gay Christians I've met are better people than "normal" Christians because they don't have the "I go to church so you're all inferiour to me!" mentality.

can you honestly say that you met someone who said that? Everyone on this site makes that very claim. Christians are arrogant. They are holier-than-thou. They are over the top. THey are fundamentalist. Where is the freaking proof? According to your bigoted description of Christians, I'd be giving you verses and tipping my nose at you because you werent Christian. Now tell me have I done that?

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- Gay people can be parents. Excellent parents. The only problem with gay people adopting children are the homophobes that will reject that child for years, but not the gay parents themselves.

oh thats right. I forgot. You can add "Homophobic Christian" to the "I hate Christians" name list.

what do you mean one of the last times you will be here?