I belive in the traditional family,and all that implies. I belive that the father should be in charge of the family, and he should be responsible for the families physical health, similarly I belive that the wife is the center of the family, for with out her there is no children and therefore no family. She should also be responsible for the families emotional health.

I am from a traditonal family, and I hope to lead one one day.

So what are your oppinions on the traditional family?

I think traditional families are okay if that's what you agree with and believe and that's the kind of family that both parties want meaning the wife and the husband.

By this post, did you mean that in the sense of a traditional family, the father goes to work while the mother stays at home and does housework? If so, that's okay as long as the mother is happy that way.

But I also think that other forms of families are great too and function just as well if not better. I have a mother and a father. My mother has three jobs while my dad has two. My mom is happy working the way she does and enjoys all of her jobs. I think my family functions well this way.

My aunt is a single mother with two jobs. My grandmother helps look after her daughter sometimes while she's working but for the most part my aunt provides all of the care for her. I think this functions well too---my aunt most likely wants a husband but she has always done better without a significant other since she is a very independent person.

What I'm saying is that the traditional family is good if that's the way you want it. But it's not better than other families and other families that are different from that can function just as well.

No, society doesn't discourage women from having families, hardcore liberals do.

Well, now that this issue has been pretty well covered, why don't we make more stereotypical, generalized statements about large groups of individuals in an attempt to change society so it fits into our ideal vision of a medievil paradise.

This ideal vision, of course, would have no media influence. Clearly, media influence is only a factor on the OTHER side of the argument.

(sarcasm)

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Now I don't know, so I could be wrong, but then agian it is highly likely that the main reason that you (and so many other women) want to have a career is that there is so much in modern day culture telling women to find satifaction in the materialistic realm instead of in a family.

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You are wrong. Society today doesn't discourage women from having families, nor will it ever. Many women, such as myself, are interesting in maintaining a job and having a family.

Oh, and i'm from Texas. **** off Stupidity, I hate people from St. Eustatius.

I am a women, and I want to be in business when I grow up and be rich. IF i get married it will be after I am already financially independant, and then I might have kids. I want power and wealth just like men do, and I think I could raise a healthy family when the time is right.

___*sigh* Texans....

Your view of the traditional family is greatly flawed. A family must share its responsibilities, regardless of what they are. In modern society, women are somewhat less limited, in that many have the opportunity to gain an education and work in our corporate society. It is both spouses' obligation to make sure the family is stable and healthy on all levels. Roles must overlap, must be shared in order to form a successful family.

The definition of a "traditional family" also varies with each person. Either way, traditions must change. That is the law of progress.

-- bloodylogos

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agian it is highly likely that the main reason that you (and so many other women) want to have a career is that there is so much in modern day culture telling women to find satifaction in the materialistic realm instead of in a family

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How can you speak for all females? Many females want a career so they can enjoy life and better their future. They do not want to work to find "satisfaction" in a materialistic. Can you say that about men? "Men only work to find satisfaction in the materialistic realm." Do you realize how ridiculous this idealism is? All males and females are different. Women work for their own reasons, as do men. I will personally work to help myself; I won't do so for anyone else, or what society views as socially acceptable. Work generates money and a stable source of income. To say that women should solely depend on males to earn all the income (which is distributed by feeding, clothing, and housing the family, as well as paying bills and other expenses). What if a women wanted to vacation from working all day by watching their children? (We are using your definitive version of the word "work.") If they family had no extra income, she (or her husband) could not afford to enjoy the luxuries of life, which you deem as materialistic. Thus, you're conclusion boils down to this: Women need to stay at home and breed, while men need to work and earn money, thus no one should be able to enjoy life to the fullest due to these constraints.

Yes, it's absurd.

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Take the herbal essensce shampoo comerical where the woman appears to be having an orgasm in the shower, while the husband listens in, misirable that he has to compete with the sampoo. The woman appears to have had all her needs fufilled in the product. she doesn't need the man at all, cause she has the shampoo.

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Please tell me you're not basing your opinions on Hair Product commercials. Also, the Herbal Essences company has stated that their company produced such an orgasmic[ commercial in order to appeal to women, and show them that their shampoo will make them feel good (thus exemplified by the commercial). It has nothing to do with traditional female roles.

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Such a widespread of propaganda (for that's what it is weather intentional or unientional) is bound to be a factor in the devlopment of oppinions of the population of America.

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People don't make life decisions based on Shampoo commercials.

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But what if we are aproaching it a the wrong angle, what if men and women are meant to complete each other instead of just being each other's copy? I am putting this issue out to challege the dogma that permeates our culture today.

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Men and women do not complete each other. Separate human sexes only exist for reproductive purposes. I'll try to explain this in a more simple matter: Marriage is a company, and both partners (regardless of sex) are the CEOs. They both have equal rights to everything within the company, and they share what they make equally, and profit equally from what happens within the company. Their jobs are equally as important and they both work just as hard as the other. In return, they reap the benefits of their cooperation and unity. This is marriage.

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In an indirect way though women do have power, for she is the husband's motivation for the man to work by the sweat of brow for her,

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Women have power when they work, make their own decisions, and mold the people they want to become. Males do not simply work because they're motivated by their wives.

Your traditional family may have truly existed in 1245 AD, but they and won't anymore. For the better, I must say.

"You realize you contradict yourself here:
First you say the woman want to love, then you say she wants to be loved...which is it?"

My bad I meant to put it is the nature of the woman to want love

"In today's world, especially in America, it would be very difficult for many families to be supported solely by the father's income."

That's unfortunate because it's better for the children to have the mother to stay home. This comes about though from the way that government give power for the corperations, they gradually reduce wages as feminism has become more intertwined in our culture. While I don't belive that coperations have encouraged the spread of feminism, when take into acount that corperations have much to gain much to gain from this first of all, why pay for one person when you can have two at the same price, and secondly, when we are can't find satisfaction with our life, we tend to turn to material possesions and as a result, increasing profit, and then consider the omious fact that Women's Studies is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, you begin to wonder. But ultimately that is besides the point because I don't belive it.

"Feminism is simply the quest for women to be equal to men. It's a wonderful concept, and I agree with it. Women should not be made to feel inferior to anyone.

Also, traditional families are outdated. The current focus should not be on the roles or genders of couples in a marriage; it should be on whether or not the children are provided for - both emotionally and financially - and whether or not the relationship within the marriage is healthy."

But what if we are aproaching it a the wrong angle, what if men and women are meant to complete each other instead of just being each other's copy? I am putting this issue out to challege the dogma that permeates our culture today.

"To any extent, again, I disagree. As a woman, albeit a young woman, yes, I want to be loved, I want to have people to love, but I also crave a degree of power, of control. I'm greatly looking forward to having children, but I also want to have a career, and the freedom to choose."

In an indirect way though women do have power, for she is the husband's motivation for the man to work by the sweat of brow for her, and if the
Also, traditional families are outdated. The current focus should not be on the roles or genders of couples in a marriage; it should be on whether or not the children are provided for - both emotionally and financially - and whether or not the relationship within the marriage is healthy."

But what if we are aproaching it a the wrong angle, what if men and women are meant to complete each other instead of just being each other's copy? I am putting this issue out to challege the dogma that permeates our culture today.

"To any extent, again, I disagree. As a woman, albeit a young woman, yes, I want to be loved, I want to have people to love, but I also crave a degree of power, of control. I'm greatly looking forward to having children, but I also want to have a career, and the freedom to choose."

Now I don't know, so I could be wrong, but then agian it is highly likely that the main reason that you (and so many other women) want to have a career is that there is so much in modern day culture telling women to find satifaction in the materialistic realm instead of in a family. Take the herbal essensce shampoo comerical where the woman appears to be having an orgasm in the shower, while the husband listens in, misirable that he has to compete with the sampoo. The woman appears to have had all her needs fufilled in the product. she doesn't need the man at all, cause she has the shampoo. Such a widespread of propaganda (for that's what it is weather intentional or unientional) is bound to be a factor in the devlopment of oppinions of the population of America.

I could get angry about this topic, but since it began in a mature manner, I'll do my best as well.

In today's world, especially in America, it would be very difficult for many families to be supported solely by the father's income.

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Because in is nature of the man to want power, and in the nature of the woman want to love. In marriage the wife gives the man power and in return he loves her, and so in this union both psyches are completed. That is the basic principal of tradtional family.

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You realize you contradict yourself here:
First you say the woman want to love, then you say she wants to be loved...which is it?

To any extent, again, I disagree. As a woman, albeit a young woman, yes, I want to be loved, I want to have people to love, but I also crave a degree of power, of control. I'm greatly looking forward to having children, but I also want to have a career, and the freedom to choose.

Continuing with what Bex was saying, I look at marriage, and married life more as a team thing. How a couple divvies up the responsibilities depends on the couple's preference, but ultimately, I believe they should share equal responsibility.

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Feminism is simply the quest for women to be equal to men. It's a wonderful concept, and I agree with it. Women should not be made to feel inferior to anyone.

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It sometimes means more. But men and women are equals.

Easter has a meaning...

Anyway, all families are different. People are different both sexually and emotionally. Not all men have the psyche to run a household. Not all women want to stay at home, clean, and breed.

Feminism is simply the quest for women to be equal to men. It's a wonderful concept, and I agree with it. Women should not be made to feel inferior to anyone.

Also, traditional families are outdated. The current focus should not be on the roles or genders of couples in a marriage; it should be on whether or not the children are provided for - both emotionally and financially - and whether or not the relationship within the marriage is healthy.

i think that there should be more, but not the conservative ones, i mean like the children would have both parents wit them all da time, like here in my country where there still are many trad. families.

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So what are your oppinions on the traditional family?

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Some of them make sense, like Christmas. But some, like Easter, have no meaning whatsoever.

Uh... I don't know if you noticed, but you need a man AND a woman to make babies.

Why worry about roles? Each family is different. As long as people get looked after and feel content, what does it matter who does what? There are no rules in family dynamics. I think if you can be functional and happy together, that's the best you can hope for.

Both my parents care for me emotionally and physically, to a fairly equal measure. Decisions are pretty much always collaborative, although my dad is the main provider (in the beginning, however, my mum was earning more than him).

Bex

"Why the father in charge of the family? If it's the mother who makes the family in the first place and goes through all the pain, shouldn't she get to be the head if she wants to?"

Because in is nature of the man to want power, and in the nature of the woman want to love

In marriage the wife gives the man power and in return he loves her, and so in this union both psyches are completed. That is the basic principal of tradtional family.

Beyond the family, when women seek power in the workplace they are in essence competing with the man. How can a man and wife complete and compete? Feminism is a barrier to happiness for women who want a family because it teaches women to be ashamed to want to be a home maker.

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A traditional family is a man married to a wife, the man in charge. I DO NOT think a man and a man or a woman and a woman should be allowed to get married.

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This is not an issue, there are other threads you can post this in and discuss it.

A traditional family is a man married to a wife, the man in charge. I DO NOT think a man and a man or a woman and a woman should be allowed to get married.